Ya know some times you really should keep your mouth shut and not prove what a moron you are

If it werent for your republican butt buddies obamacare would not have passed, truth is its a rebublican design...Romneycare

Im sure this will do nothing but work you up but hey its worth it...nothing like a moron on a rampage going off on things he "learned" from Sean Hannity LOL

How are there republicans on this board?

Seriously in the early 2000s Ashcroft was going to crush this business. Had it not been for 9/11 he would have. Half the Republican field would love to still if elected. Including the number 2 in the polls Cruz.

Socially how can anybody here be conservative? We are all fine with Gay Rights and Weed right? Is it the gun issue?

Like seriously I don't get it when I see people support politicians that would be happy if their job, company and everything they have ever done was wiped off the face of the planet.

I am fairly fiscally conservative, however once again the scale tips completely to the democrats when the other side would be happy destroy my business, not just tax it.

All politicians suck, but it takes a special backwards logic to vote for someone who is more or less your natural enemy. Seriously confused.

I am doing just fucking fine -- sorry some of you are not.

I have survived under every president since Kennedy (that I can remember). The worst years were from 1970 - 1984 -- both Republicans and Democrats were controlling things so there is no point in my mind of idiocy depending on party politics.

Kennedy = 7 (but he didn't live to see a second term)
Johnson = 6.5 (the Civil Rights Act and Medicaid were his saving grace -- the Vietnam War the nightmare he made)
Nixon =2 (total fuckup and a criminal liar and sociopath)
Ford =0 (bumped into walls for a year)
Carter =3 ( good man, truthful but not worldly, BTW he has a very high IQ)
Reagan =3 (gutted the US economy until 1983)
Bush I = 5 (was more realistic about economics than Regan was)
Clinton =8 (understood the digital economy's potential -- I finally made some money and got ahead :thumbsup + he got a BJ in his office :0D )
Little Bush II =1 (total disgrace -- he gets a one because I made out on the Bonus depreciation he got enacted)
Obama = 7

• Obama got us almost out of the economic hole Little Bush II dug for us.
• However, an illusionary economy was created to try and undo hardship so there is going to be a price to be paid.
• I don't have an issue with Obamacare.
• His standoffishness on the ME conflict is probably justified in retrospect of events.

I have almost tripled the assets I had when Obama was first elected and reduced my debt to -0- but I don't really credit Obama for this -- most of my money was made outside of the USA. I am a small time global player. Today's economy is a world economy and not your father's USA ...

Adapt or die

This is where politics comes in - This was a Republican idea, Romneycare, and was already in place. The Democrats took this idea and expanded on it and made it nationwide. The only reason the Republican party fought it is because it became a Democrat bill.

Now instead of fixing it, they've wasted the past four years trying to kill it. It's obviously working - more people have healthcare then ever before - so let's try to fix what is not working.

You have no concept for math, the unemployment rate has just been proven that it means nothing because it's only tracks for 4 weeks, yet you deny the math

You're an idiot, how can you say a bill with 1990 pages is the same as Romneycares bill that had 70, I guess liberals have no concept of math

I don't watch Hannity, guess you watch MSNBC like all the other morons and believe what the government tells you, fucking sheeple!

You agree it needs fixing? That would imply it's broke!

Of course Carter had a high IQ, he was a submariner

Hard for old white men to look in the mirror in the states. But its hard for all Canadians to take a peek.

Someone needs to give Obama a mushroom tattoo on the face.

I'm not a republican, i just look up the facts and things are not as wonderful as they think it is and when I bring up facts, I get called names from lower life forms!

As far as Gay Rights, Reagan did a lot for gays, he spoke out against the Briggs initiative and with the democrats signed budgets for aids research that grew in size with each years budget during his presidency.

If you look at history, the republican party has done a lot for social issues, it's where the party has headed since Reagan that concerns me. The democrat party says it's out for every one, but get nothing done because of bad leadership or just promise more than they can ever deliver. ( case in point, shovel ready jobs )

In steps Trump, he's not really either a republican or a democrat and is changing the way politics is done, he does it his way and doesn't let the special interest groups tell him what to do, he doesn't let ethnic groups tell him what to do, he doesn't give a fuck about Political Correctness which is something I love about him.

Both political parties are afraid of him right now, because he would fundamentally change the way the government is ran and given the low polls for congress and the lowest overall average approval rating for a president since President Carter, the people are about change.!


You say you think all politicians suck, Trump isn't a politician

Obamacare sucks and is a complete failure.

I don't deny the math. At all. Unemployment peaked in 2009 across all forms, period. And it's dropped to lower than 2003 levels, period.

When you get a flat tire you don't replace the entire car, you fix the tire. Obamacare is working and more people than ever before have healthcare.

I could care less about Obamacare. I had healthcare before Obamacare, and I have the same Healthcare now. (I have Kaiser.) More people than ever before in the US have healthcare. Instead of spending all of our time and effort trying to remove it, we need to fix what's wrong with it.

Holy crap...I have you blocked because of the trollish, foolish stuff you constantly write on here.

But man...this is just plain out STUPID.

USE GOOGLE GODDAMNIT!

Type in: "Percentage of WorkForce unemployed"

Just do that Rochard. Don't type anything else. Just DO THAT.

Fucking research shit for just a second instead of acting ignorant about a subject:

"Government data showed that only 63.2 percent of working-age Americans have a job or are looking for one, the lowest proportion since 1978."

That is 36.8% of all working age people are UNEMPLOYED.

And that is the highest number since 1978.

So your entire statement is fucking ridiculous and ignorant.

Damn...lol
Everytime I look at one of your posts thinking "Maybe he's changed and I can go ahead and unblock him"...you post something that just reinforces my reasoning for blocking you in the first place. :(

Again, the unemployment rate is a lie, it doesn't accurately measure how many people are out of work. More people are out of work right now than when Obama took office.

When I get a flat tire, I get it repaired, but when the tire is fucked up, I replace it

The way Republicans spin the unemployment rate figures, you'd think they want the economy to be bad. You just know every time there's a good news report on economic growth, they die a little inside because there's no a Republican in the White House.

just like when Bin Laden was killed. It must have been heartbreaking to not have it be president John McCain finish W's job. But he wouldn't have done it, because he'd have us involved in even more military quagmires than we're already neck deep in.

they're just always wrong about everything, and do nothing but fuck shit up to make their rich buddies richer at the expanse of everyone and everything. They're also on the wrong side of history of every social argument. Gays, weed, guns, you name it. They're anti-progressive, which if you ever stop to think about it means the "opposite of progress". They don't want to move forward, they want things to stay the same or revert backwards.

They need to stop trying to be in charge because we've had enough of them. It's been eight years, and it's still not long enough.

So yes, they're assholes.

bronco67, I clearly linked to the numbers in a post above.

That is not "spinning". There really are 36.8% of the people in the U.S. of age to be in the workforce who are unemployed.

That's not a "spin". That's a fact.

The govt. stopped counting people that aren't looking for work anymore. They did that on purpose to actually "spin" the numbers.

If you want to close your eyes and pretend it's not true...go right ahead. But it IS true.

Use google for yourself and get educated on reality.

As a fisherman it is satisfying to me to bait a big sucker and watch him swallow it hook line and sinker....even moreso when the bait is the truth.

I guess it isn't very fair though....

I will toss this sucker back so he can bite another day....

Here ya go bronco67...straight from the govt.'s own statistics:

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

There are more workforce age people in the U.S. out of work right now than at any time since 1978 when we were in the middle of a full on depression.

THAT is the truth. The feds changed the way that the unemployment rate is counted. But the numbers you will see at that page I linked to are from the U.S. Bureau Of Labor Statistics.
No way to spin those numbers.

From a non-American perspective, he didn't live up to the hype. I suspect other world leaders think he's an idiot.

Everyone's forgot al-Qaeda, since ISIS came along. Especially the media.

Maybe their usefulness has expired...

So you admit you're wrong? OK

damn, just when I thought you couldn't get any dumber

I think the sad thing is the liberals are actually in agreement with everything the government and the media tells them.
I love when they base everything on the democrats vs the republicans and disregard fact completely.
Then when they run out of the lines in their playbook, everyone is a racist.

Stuck in a box of thought that many of us threw away years ago!

ya you keep tellin yerself that SMFH just when I thought you couldn't possibly be any dumber...just damn dude.

Thanks. Although I will disagree with you about Trump being a politician. He is very much so at this point. A different one for sure, but still one.

Before Obamacare... an individual plan $100-$125 a month, $15 co-pay, $300 deductible.

After Obamacare kicked in... $290 a month, $50 co-pay, $6500 deductible.

Sure, those who still have their same plan before Obamacare kicked in, haven't seen a difference. It is very easy to say, "Its great and its working." Yes, there are more people insured now, because if your not, you pay a 10% percent penalty on your taxable income.

The ONLY good thing about this, is that people who have serious health issues that are going to go over $6500 in medical bills in a year, will see their responsibilities capped. Then there are those who have pre-existing conditions who couldn't get covered before, can now get coverage, and won't get dropped.

However there is still a huge demographic of people that are getting royally screwed by this. Miss the deadlines? Your fucked. Because the plans that are left over for those who miss deadlines, still have clause against pre-existing conditions, where you will NOT get covered, and if even if you somehow do get on one of those plans, there is about 20 pages of shit that will not pay for, which covers, or should I say does NOT cover, just about everything.

Obamacare has created a new demographic of people who still cannot afford health coverage, where they could have before it kicked in.

Believing that makes you part of the problem, and also makes you no different than the people you are pointing the finger at. When in reality, there are people on both sides of the fence that exist like that.

Then there are those who think for themselves and actually don't fall in line with every talking point that hard liners expect them to. Those people also exist on both sides of the fence.

Homeless: some people cannot care for themselves. The vast majority of homeless are that way because they gave up on themselves. Turned to alcohol and or drugs.

Health care. I have a buddy. He paid $178 per month for insurance. He bitched about Obama care making it go to $195. I told him to go get me a statement from January for the past four years. He came back and they said;

$142
$164
$178
$195

So his health care was increasing before obama care and always has been. It's called inflation.

My own insurance: Kaiser.

Before obama care: $1400 for shit. $2100 if I didn't want to pay for every damn thing. I pay for a family of three.

After: $1300 and it gives me the same level I used to have to pay $2100 to get.

I am happy.

Obabo openly supported the so called "syrian rebels" aka. ISIS, al-nusra/al-queda and FSA.
Responsible for the so called arab spring.
Fucked up Lybia (also see Benghazi).Right now bombing civilians in Yemen with the Saudis.
Still hasn't closed Guantanamo.
He is a war criminal.
He has damaged americans reputation way more than W.

:2 cents:

It is the baby boomers. Seriously this is a red herring.

Unemployment Is Low But More Workers Are Leaving the Workforce - US News

Ok I wish i could edit the above post. Yes, we have some serious wekaness in male employment participation that is not good. People have been left behind, especially men. I do not know that this is Obama's fault.

Some of this is the baby boomers. Some is the longer education path. But the over all point is there are jobs out there but they need skill sets that these folks don't have.

What I meant by a politician is business as usual, Trump has broken all the rules that any other politician would follow.

I just go by the facts, if you don't believe the facts and run on pure opinion

Actually, workforce participation rate for those above 55, which are the baby boomers is up.
in 1994, the rate was 30.1 , 2004 it was 36.2 and for 2014 it was 40%
Not a red herring like they would have you believe, just more excuses generated by the media without doing the research or just plain lying to you!

Civilian labor force participation rate by age, gender, race, and ethnicity

And if you had actually looked at the link you posted, it said the same thing

Yeah, as you can see...those numbers have nothing to do with people retiring. They are the stats of people who are in the age group of the workforce.

And no...I don't think Pres. Obama sat down with some kind of evil plan to cause that.
I do think that he didn't know what he was doing. He never ran anything in his life before. He had zero executive experience.
So he walked into a ruined economy. Started printing TRILLIONS of dollars (which has made our money pretty much worthless), and instead of concentrating on the economy and jobs...he went with: ObamaCare and wasted the first 2 years of his Presidency when he had complete control of govt. (Dem House & Senate).

That's the thing, we are losing the jobs that more people were trained to do. Those jobs need to come back. By changing the trade we do with other countries, we can do that. That is how Reagan did it to help Harley Davidson in the 80's and can be done for any business in the US.

Agreed, then lied and told everyone how great everything is by changing how a lot of stuff is calculated.

For instance he changed how deporting numbers were counted to include those turned away at the border to make his numbers of deportations look bigger than they were.
Before that, if an illegal alien was turned around within 100 miles of the border, they were not counted.
High deportation figures are misleading - LA Times

Then there was all the lies to get Obamacare passed

Ok, biting here, how can you compare 1990 pages of a bill to a bill with 70 pages?

Or maybe you want to compare the 33,000 pages of regulations of Obamacare, I'm trying to make this easy.

It's not the overall idea, it's the overall bureaucracy that doesn't work!

So in a debate of intelligent conversation, stick to the facts instead of the ready made liberal card reading ideals and come back with some facts, or just remain stupid in everyone's eyes!

https://img.washingtonpost.com/rf/im...EeKfVPP91wrK0g

Inside your bubble, this seems dumb to you. So I understand.

Here's the thing, when your opinion is proven wrong, you resort to insults. WHY? Because that's all you are left with, it's pathetic!

Argue the facts and prove you have any grey matter firing neurons in that head of yours, maybe come up with something besides we are all racist! LAMO

When your IQ gets above 100, give us a call

Again, you are the one saying that liberals think you are all racists. I don't believe anyone thinks all Republicans are racist. I believe the majority of racists define themselves as Republican, especially the ones in denial. However, I don't think that all Republicans are racist.

They just deny that the Republican party has a racist problem, which is exactly what you are doing now.

Quantitative easing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"In late November 2008 ..."

Your comment has absolutely nothing to do with Obamacare.

Health care has always increased over time, even before Obamacare = True.

However, your friend was already on a plan, so he was experiencing business as usual.

For the uninsured things are a completely different story. Uninsured doesn't mean homeless or an alcoholic or drug addict. Those terms are just uncalled for in this debate.

Monthly health care costs tripled and quadrupled practically over night for the uninsured looking to purchase. You also never mentioned anything about out of pocket expenses. You can see a doctor for around $70 a visit uninsured. What good is paying $300 a month and having to pay a $50 to $60 copay?

Lets talk about deductibles. $300 to $6500 practically overnight? That's not inflation.

How do you figure he made our money pretty much worthless?

The dollar is stronger now than it was when little bush was in office. Considerably more.

Trump is running for President = He is now a politician.

Obama is just a puppet.

As all presidents are. The question is, whose hands are up those politicians asses controlling the puppet show?

You said this....

Do you take anytime to reflect on what you are saying before hitting the submit button?

I don't think we can get that back in the bottle. The world is now flat. Also we would need to have a lower standard of living to do it. I am not sure the trade off is worth it. Just an opinion.