I went on an organized city walking tour and one thing the tour guide made clear was that it was NOT a tour that would include anything to do with Pablo Escobar.

He did not want to glorify the man and even cringed when he said the name Pablo Escobar.

I guess from what I gathered, most everyone in Medellin was negativity effected by Pablo Escobar. Sure he may have given away truck loads of money and built soccer pitches for the people in the slums, but the long term effects was worse.

Maybe a local webmaster here can explain to us even further of what it was like to live during the time of Pablo Escobar.

What is you ICQ?

Nice photos :thumbsup

More or less false. Trapped inside your little tourist box of Parque Lleras you'll find many people that feel that way. There is a pretty big segregation between the rich and the poor in Medellin, and "most everyone" as you put it, would be the poor as they far outweigh the rich and very small middle class in numbers. Most will praise Pablo Escobar based on ignorance, fame, or because they or family members/friends, 'worked for', or knew someone that 'worked for' Pablo Escobar. They'll say that but who knows just how connected their shady dealings actually were. Pablo had some legal building/court burned down which at the time included thousands of records of crimes/legal processes from other people, who had to be let off the hook or even taken out of jail! Not something they would've forgotten about any time soon. Besides the soccer fields and all that other stuff, which of course, would not help much in the long run. However with or without Pablo, they still do a fine job of exploiting, underpaying, overworking, and overlooking the lower class. Go to where Pablo Escobar helped out ghettos and things like that and see what they have to say, not in Parque Lleras with your cargo shorts on and flip flops looking like a faggot asking the people he terrorized what they think about him. :1orglaugh

I wasn't here during that time but it must've been absolutely nuts. I was lucky enough to start living here before the huge gringo influx, before the photomultas (traffic cameras), drinking driving laws, and many other things that have changed over the years. I remember one of the first ATMs I used, the bank and the ATM itself still had bullet holes in them. I've owned two bulletproof vehicles here. At least a thousand more crazier stories that I won't talk about. :)

I barely bring up the subject. But those few times a hooker or cab driver mentioned Pablo, they were always talking positively about him. The guy knew how to buy off the masses. Of course, maybe that's not as difficult when you make more than the state and tax-free at that...

I am curious too :-)

don´t lose your head :1orglaugh

I had friends who went to Pablo's house, it was on a tour guide, so i guess it just depends on which tour you go on, some may despise the whole cocaine/Escobar, but some may glorify it (example, many rap songs in USA glorify Pablo Escobar, of course there is huge demand for tourist to arrive there and want to go take pics at his house, that's how people are, unfortunately)

I'm going back at the end of this month. I absolutely love Medellin. I fell in love with the city, the vibe, the food and of course the chicas.

El Poblado is where I'm staying this time, last time it was in Laureles by el estadio.

I'm all for suggestions on places to go, where to meet more chicas, etc. I won't be doing business the whole time. :D

50 beheaded

Fiddy Colombians.

Interesting mentality - praise scum murderer just because he was making public relations such as building football fields.
It explains why they are poor, I mean you must not be very bright to prais trash or the trash murderer such as Escobar.

Rap songs in USA glorify crime and criminal by default so not sure if that is something very relevant to discussing of how local citizens (not scum rappers or scum criminals) feel.

The whole city is still nothing more than a money laundering trashcan right now.

Too bad there are people there because the natural surrounding are amazing. People just fuck everything up.

You wanna talk about the "vibe" of the city. All the rich live in guarded buildings. Cars are checked for bombs by security (look under the car with mirrors and check the trunk) when they go into the mall parking.

There are more bomb sniffing dogs in the city than pet dogs...just open your eyes and look around. Sure there are drugs and whores there but you can find those everywhere so big fucking deal.

Guess you have to pay a desperate puta to get your cock sucked...something to be proud of? I don't think so.

But for gringos who are used to living under the pseudo freedom in the US it seems like paradise...just wait until reality hits you in the face and if you stay there long enough it will.

Realistically, example, group of young Americans, will go down to a place like that, and would have interest in seeing it and taking pics. Look it up, there is a demand for it, and there are in fact tours or private taxi's that will take you there.

Huh? I obviously agree with you on that ^
How is that related to what I was saying though?

What I was saying is completely different thing (we discussed if locals look positive at him, not if tourists like his tour, 2 different topics, lol)
And on that topic I merely said that rappers rapping positively is no indication of how locals view him for the reason that rappers always rap positively about gangsters.

I'm giving examples man, anything that is famous will have a demand from tourists! No matter if it's cocaine/escobar in Colombia, or concentration camps in Germany, or even Jeffry Dahmers house!

... quit thinking so much!!!

take it easy Pablo

In case nobody noticed Pablo died 23 years ago !

I think he continues to be big for most americans probably more than what we down here give a fuck about !

I would gaurantee that

I just finished watching 1st season of Narcos. Holly shit! Makes our local gangsta brassdonkey look like retarded rodeo clown.

I visited downtown bars and the other clubs. That was fun :)
But not feeling so save there in the center around 12:00pm.
I felt nowhere save cause of all the stories.
Lalexpo is this year in Cartagena, that is a beautiful old city.

Praise the lord!

HAllelujah

Where was the location ?

Most of the time I do not like haggling over price. But I found it was kinda normal to almost have fun with negotiating the price, time and service.

We finally agreed on 90,000 Colombian pesos for 3 hours. As soon as she got into my hotel room she went straight to the mini bar and opened a bottle of Ron Medellin local rum.

Since it was still early afternoon, I asked if it was too early to be drinking. She said it is never too early for drinking and sex.

It was a good session, we used the google translator to communicate and she added all her friends on Facebook to my account who she thought would be interested to meet me. So all in all it was worth it and a fun way to spend the afternoon.

I don't use ICQ anymore.

Can we use business using email ?

South America is on my bucket list. but not for places like Medellin.

She charged you $28 USD for 3 hours?

This is probably 80$ chick!:)If you paid more..you are crazy:D

if you have Netflix, watch the other longer ones "Escobar, el Patrón del Mal" and the one about the Cali Cartel, "En la Boca del Lobo". They are both pretty good to watch, fairly true to the facts and will really suck you in if you are into this stuff.

Thanks !

:thumbsup

Ah the 2 most trustworthy type of persons in tourist places, whores and cab drivers, spoke highly of him. I bet if Trump had those endorsements he would use them in an ad :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

he doesn't need that show for that, he does a perfect job of doing that all by himself :thumbsup

Ok. I am a tourist and I stay around Parque Lleras. So as a tourist, where do you suggest I stay ?

The info I wrote about Pablo Escobar, is not my personal opinion. It was the info from the tour guide, from the tour I went on. The name of the company is called Real City Walking Tours. If you want you can take up your gripe with them for misleading tourists.

Yes I wear cargo shorts when I travel because I need a place to carry my condoms, lube and disinfectant soap when visiting whore houses. I not wear flip flops, but I can understand tourists on vacation may want to feel as comfortable as possible and to them flip flops are comfortable. I can see how people who have to go to work can be mad that people on vacation don't need to dress up and go to work every day.

Is it good that there is a "gringo influx" ? Or would you rather "gringos" stay away from Medellin ?

This may be 10 year old repost from his surfer forum though...

He tricked us with his Hong Kong diary. This may very well be the same.

80 for a night I assume?

PLEASE stay away from Medellin!... (nothing personal)

Have pic of the same building, from Last years LAL Expo:thumbsup

Did you find most people in Colombia don't want to be known for coke and whores ?

From some reports, Peru now produces more cocaine than Colombia, but how is Peru's sex tourism industry ?