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AMDWarrior 03-05-2016 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by J. Falcon (Post 20749435)
Great story dude. I'm talking about a completely different business. I have 30 employees now, and it's not writing and not adult.

LOL


No,no you dont

chaze 03-05-2016 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by J. Falcon (Post 20748808)
So you hire 6 new workers and tell them they're expected to come in early.

First day of work and one of them shows up 15 minutes late.

Let's assume he has an excuse: car broke down, stuck in traffic, kid got sick, broken pipe in his bathroom, etc.

Would you let it slide or fire him on the spot as an example to the rest/ rule of principal?

Yeah if the excuse was legit, of course. Shit happens.

SBJ 03-05-2016 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BigFurry (Post 20749279)
Fire him? No way. Unless you're running a sweatshop...

Every single person has good and bad qualities. What if he turns out to be the world's best employee, who's 15 mins late two times a week?

Would you replace them with someone who's always punctual, but does shit work?

This..

I held a factory job for 11 yrs and I remember in the first year or two I was working 3rd shift and we had a ice storm that night.. I went out to start my car early and all my doors were frozen shut on my 83 honda. I pulled so hard on my door that the plastic door handle snapped in half.. I ended up getting the hatchback open with the help of hot water, but I was late for work. I took the broken handle into the office and they all laughed at it..

Sometimes shit just happens..

L-Pink 03-05-2016 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 20749519)
.... then being forced to ask a cesspool of unemployable retards for management advice.

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Lol lol lol Hilarious.

TheSquealer 03-05-2016 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by AMDWarrior (Post 20749618)
LOL


No,no you dont

He might not reply as the wi-fi on his mega yacht is unreliable and coverage in the Caribbean is spotty.

crockett 03-05-2016 03:12 PM

It would certainly make me watch that person a bit more, but if it was a, reasonable excuse I'd let it slide to see how he/does after that.

Shit happens and Murphys Law dictates that shit is gonna happen when you are starting a job.

I think you would really be pushing the dick head limits if you can someone over that with out giving them a chance.

If it's a repetitive thing or he acted like it's no big deal then by all means.

Keep in mind if you fire someone over something like that the other employees will take notice and it will make them rethink working for you.

MiamiBoyz 03-05-2016 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SilentKnight (Post 20748841)
Since I'm never late myself - I have a very low tolerance for it. It'd better be a damn good excuse - not some bullshit.

Agreed.

Anyone serious about a job would NOT show up even 1 minute late the first day!

I say, let them go because you are probably weeding out a problem employee that you will no doubt have to deal with again in the future.

You can also put the fear of god into the others so it is a WIN WIN situation. :thumbsup

SBJ 03-05-2016 04:15 PM

It dawns on me that a lot of people here have never had a REAL job. I was surprised at the amount of people that have told me they started working in porn at 18 (some 16 as affiliates..). I wouldn't be late on my 1st day but if I was one of the 5 that showed up on time and you fired the other I'd be looking for a different place to work. While I understand that the workplace is serious business, I'd never work for someone that fired someone before they gave them a chance to see how they worked. We are all human and I'd like to think that people should work for people that run a tight ship while being fair.

I'm not a slacker and as a previous post I pointed out that I worked for the same company/ factory for 11 years until I left to do porn full-time. When I left I was in the top 6 highest paid out of 50-60 doing my same job in my Dept.

J. Falcon 03-05-2016 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by AMDWarrior (Post 20749618)
LOL


No,no you dont

I don't claim to be some super successful businessman, but yeah, yeah I do.

mechanicvirus 03-05-2016 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SBJ (Post 20749978)
It dawns on me that a lot of people here have never had a REAL job. I was surprised at the amount of people that have told me they started working in porn at 18 (some 16 as affiliates..).

Besides the being 16 as an affiliate part, do you see it as a more positive or negative aspect that a lot of people started hustling in porn at 18? At one spectrum, yes it's not a normal job by any means but on the opposite spectrum, they might be working harder than most 18 year olds work at a normal 9-5 job they might not like.

SBJ 03-05-2016 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by mechanicvirus (Post 20749999)
Besides the being 16 as an affiliate part, do you see it as a more positive or negative aspect that a lot of people started hustling in porn at 18? At one spectrum, yes it's not a normal job by any means but on the opposite spectrum, they might be working harder than most 18 year olds work at a normal 9-5 job they might not like.


I'm saying that many people that post here have never had to go to a 3rd shift job 6 days a week. Many of the people here that are saying fire them have worked from their homes all their life. Yes I work a hell of a lot harder and multi task a million times harder working for porn but I don't have to deal with driving to work daily. Things happen when you have to drive or take a bus to get to get to work on a daily basis. No one can tell from a person being late one time if they are or aren't going to be a good worker.


50 Asshole bosses

J. Falcon 03-05-2016 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SBJ (Post 20750041)
I'm saying that many people that post here have never had to go to a 3rd shift job 6 days a week. Many of the people here that are saying fire them have worked from their homes all their life. Yes I work a hell of a lot harder and multi task a million times harder working for porn but I don't have to deal with driving to work daily. Things happen when you have to drive or take a bus to get to get to work on a daily basis. No one can tell from a person being late one time if they are or aren't going to be a good worker.


50 Asshole bosses

What if during the interviewing process you warned the person that you take punctuality very seriously and on the first day the person is not only late, but doesn't let you know.

That's what happened in this case. If a person misses a day during the 3 month trial period, especially the first 3 weeks, I take that as a very bad sign.

SBJ 03-05-2016 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by J. Falcon (Post 20750095)
What if during the interviewing process you warned the person that you take punctuality very seriously and on the first day the person is not only late, but doesn't let you know.

OMG I didn't know you told them that during the interviewing process. That changes everything! Fire them and send out a memo for anyone that ever sees this person they should throw rocks at them.

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Originally Posted by J. Falcon (Post 20750095)
That's what happened in this case. If a person misses a day during the 3 month trial period, especially the first 3 weeks, I take that as a very bad sign.

Great idea cause the worker with the flu should be required to bring it to work and share it with other employees :thumbsup

Penny24Seven 03-05-2016 05:58 PM

Of course not. You give him a chance and see if he respects that and shows up early from there on out. Sometimes people will do a lot when you do them a favor. Now if they show up 1 minute early the next day and had to haul ass across the parking lot to get there you will probably be getting rid of him for some other reason but shit happens and if you can't accept that I would never want to work for someone like that anyway.
You can't help it if there is a wreck on the interstate or a belt breaks on your car.

Sunny Day 03-05-2016 06:01 PM

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I worked 12+ years at the post office. Being 1 minute late could get you fired. Happened to a guy who started the same day as me. Sad thing, he'd come to work an hour early and would sleep in the break room. Unfortunately, he kept not hearing the alarm on his watch and would be 30 minutes late.

Another job, the receptionist had a large board you wrote in your starting time. At 8:05, she turned the board around an wrote your time in with a red pen. Such childishness. She looked just like the school secretary in Ferris Buehler's Day Off. All I could do to keep from laughing.

My last job, was flexible hours. They expected 7 3/4 hours, 5 days a week. Several started later as they had to take kids to school and couldn't drop them off, before a certain time. At one point my boss allowed me to start mid-day and work late. I was doing research for a $30,000,000 tax write-off and needed copy machines that weren't clogged with other workers. As long as I got the write-off he didn't care what time I worked.

JesseQuinn 03-05-2016 07:32 PM

I'm of two minds...

on the one hand being late on the first day is crazy unprofessional and could be a huge red flag

On the other hand ish happens, and sometimes insanely talented and creative people aren't the best at keeping on the clock but prove their worth in the hours/efforts they do invest. But yeah...sometimes ish just happens.

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Originally Posted by Brian837 (Post 20750200)
Of course not. You give him a chance and see if he respects that and shows up early from there on out.

:2 cents:

I don't see being late once as a character issue necessarily, it could be but why cut off something that could be a good thing for both parties involved (assuming there's an upside if the person was hired in the first place)?

I think everyone deserves one chance, costs nothing to grant one and if anything provides notice to pay closer attention, and then axe if issues of (un)professionalism persist.

I would def speak to the person though, and let them know that ish is unacceptable. Reason would matter here, not for the content of the reply but more to see how the person handles it. That is always key

Are they genuinely embarrassed and do they arrive early every day for the next week? if so you know they know they fucked up and are trying to redeem your assessment of them

tl;dr, would def not fire. would speak to and not let the issue persist, but humans are fallible and we miss out on a lot if we cut peeps out too quickly.

J. Falcon 03-05-2016 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JesseQuinn (Post 20750359)
I'm of two minds...

on the one hand being late on the first day is crazy unprofessional and could be a huge red flag

On the other hand ish happens, and sometimes insanely talented and creative people aren't the best at keeping on the clock but prove their worth in the hours/efforts they do invest. But yeah...sometimes ish just happens.



:2 cents:

I don't see being late once as a character issue necessarily, it could be but why cut off something that could be a good thing for both parties involved (assuming there's an upside if the person was hired in the first place)?

I think everyone deserves one chance, costs nothing to grant one and if anything provides notice to pay closer attention, and then axe if issues of (un)professionalism persist.

I would def speak to the person though, and let them know that ish is unacceptable. Reason would matter here, not for the content of the reply but more to see how the person handles it. That is always key

Are they genuinely embarrassed and do they arrive early every day for the next week? if so you know they know they fucked up and are trying to redeem your assessment of them

tl;dr, would def not fire. would speak to and not let the issue persist, but humans are fallible and we miss out on a lot if we cut peeps out too quickly.

This, I think, is the most thorough and well- thought out response.


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