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Choopa Phil 03-11-2016 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MakeMeGrrrrowl (Post 20767116)
If you try to understand why he does what he does, you will start to become crazy like he's making me.

After I called the doctor today to follow up his appt, they said while he's their favorite patient, I need to start coming to appts with him. Womp.

As I previously mentioned I am going through the same thing with my grandmother so I can relate. But his previous actions/forgetfulness should have been a sign. You really should be and should have been power of attorney for this very reason. Especially knowing hes not with it all the time. All it takes is one time...aka what you're going through now. Its unfortunate and I hope you guys resolve this but based on what you're telling me and the fact that lawyers aren't calling you back means that you don't have much of a case.

MakeMeGrrrrowl 03-11-2016 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Choopa Phil (Post 20766999)
Except based on the OP's conversation with her father he did in fact know his financials were lied about. Making him an accessory to this case. Not to mention now the OP is aiding an abetting in this crime. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

He said yes, he finally agreed to the salesperson fine okay if you say I have an extra 600.00 a month then I do.

My dad said, I knew what he wanted me to say, he was shaking his head and winking at me. So I said what he wanted me to say.

But still adding 600.00 would have made his income 2055.00.

They came up with this astronomical 4368.00 per month that he makes saying he gets a pension. Yet had to use two credit cards and took 300.00 out of his bank leaving him only 87.00 for the rest of the month til he got his SS so they could get 1000.00 down payment.

If someone gets 4368.00 per month, and they get it on the 3rd, by the 16th they aren't going to have 1,000 to put down on a car? 2 credit cards and 300.00 from the bank account?

They knew what they were doing. I am SURE the sales person figured I was going to just pay it for him.

TheSquealer 03-11-2016 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by MakeMeGrrrrowl (Post 20766762)
He wouldn't have if the dealership didn't lie on his income. They would have been honest and said, unfortunately you can't afford to get a loan here and there's nothing we can do for you.

He would have left with his car and that would have been that.

Instead they lied about his income and got him a loan that he in no way could ever afford.

You previously describe the behavior of someone suffering from early dementia of some form. With that information and the fact that the credit application was fraudulent, you could likely just tell them both facts and advise them that unless they remedy the situation, you are going to the state attorney generals office and every other applicable regulatory body as well as the lender and local media.

People fake that kind of info on a loan document and rarely stop to consider that depending on the state, they are committing several felonies. Various types of fraud relating specifically to economic crimes (Fraudulently obtaining credit with intent to....), mail fraud, wire fraud etc (depending on how docs were handled) etc etc.

I would go into scorched earth mode and demand they fully remedy the situation with a well researched, well thought through, well laid out and terrifying argument.

I actually had a commercial lease agreement not too long ago, where the agent made up fake tax forms in my name, marked them "filed copies" to indicate they were filed with the IRS and then submitted them to the building owner as well as faked a lot of financials (using numbers he needed, rather than just asking me for the info). I didn't realize until after the deal was done, what he had done. Once i started asking questions and as they weren't doing the improvements agreed to in the lease, I scared the shit out of him to the point he was going to leave the state. It's not the same as just ripping me off, but the point is that these are incredibly serious and game ending crimes, not to mention the civil liability,

The Porn Nerd 03-11-2016 04:28 PM

Your dad could also 'accidently' crash that car right into the Dealership's front window. :winkwink:

Remind him to wear his seat belt, of course.

Google Expert 03-11-2016 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian837 (Post 20766984)
LOL what? One of my cars cost 50K, I make a hell of a lot more money with that 50K than I would if I paid cash for the car just to save on interest.
Even people with millions sitting around know better because they can make money with their money.

You dont have shit sitting around. You are a broke ass loser, that's why you have to borrow money to buy something.

Here's a tip: stop being a consumer whore if you can't afford it.

sarettah 03-11-2016 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 20767239)
Your dad could also 'accidently' crash that car right into the Dealership's front window. :winkwink:

Remind him to wear his seat belt, of course.

And make sure he has full coverage on the insurance so they pay off the loan :thumbsup

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sarettah 03-11-2016 04:36 PM

Call this guy:



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arock10 03-11-2016 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Choopa Phil (Post 20766999)
Except based on the OP's conversation with her father he did in fact know his financials were lied about. Making him an accessory to this case. Not to mention now the OP is aiding an abetting in this crime. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Again I'm not a lawyer, but the elderly is a protected class and this I would consider predatory lending which the government REALLY dislikes these days

TCLGirls 03-11-2016 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Muad'Dib (Post 20767251)
You dont have shit sitting around. You are a broke ass loser, that's why you have to borrow money to buy something.

Here's a tip: stop being a consumer whore if you can't afford it.

Here's a tip you ignorant slut: the entire economy depends on loans, whether it is consumer car loans, home loans, small business loans etc. If people took your stupid advice, everyone would be living in cardboard boxes and accessing the internet at the public library just like you.

johnny o 03-11-2016 05:26 PM

go to the local news and let them know.


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