pretty much all government work/project/etc involves shady deals, cronyism, etc... why would you want to support that kind of activity?

What would you rather have.... $1000 given to some random person, who will then buy for example a computer with it? or give $1000 to the government who will then buy a $10 hammer for $1000 from some politician buddy's company?

so...

high taxes=more $10 hammers getting bought for $1000
lower taxes=more $1000 computers bought for $1000

So find graphics that prove your point.

The West imports far too much from the Third World and sells too little. So the West needs to get together to work towards balancing trade. Not just with China, India, Thailand, Vietnam, Philippines, etc.

To make it even worse, the West imports far too much cheap labour, Eastern Europe and South and Mid Americas. Taking jobs from native workers, lowering tax revenues, sending money home and raising benefits.

All this goes on courtesy of the 1% who profit enormously from it. They spin that they bring wealth to us. Truth is they take it away and then rely on us to buy their goods. The comment about Nike shares was right. If Nike Products, and other such imported goods, were taxed 5% at the port. Their shares and the company would lose a bit and the 1% would lose out. Who here would suffer?

The debt would lower year by year.

And yet people blame the Government. That's being run by the 1%. Which includes Trump.

Serbian coward spewing bullshit. Someone ban this national cuckold already.

I would rather it go to a Native Worker of the country than an imported computer.

You're using an extreme example as an excuse. Yes, there are examples of people buying goods that could be cheaper. walk into most Government offices, look at the quality of the equipment and the pay of the staff.

The $1,000 is more often someone wages. Who will then spend in their area.

jtfc markham, i already posted 4 articles including 1 study that studied the studies that show reshoring is trending up, which was and still is my point. i didn't say it is anything more than trending up. and that was only in response to the ding dong serb's illogical premise that capitalism is an absolute and total roadblock to jobs returning to America

what makes you think that government would spend the money any more "wisely" than you or I can? You give me a $1000 and maybe I'll spend it on hiring a carpenter to remodel my house a bit, or maybe I'll hire some person to help me grow my business? maybe this hiring of one person, will lead to growth in my business and will lead to additional 10 people getting hired down the road? what's wrong with that approach?

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its funny you should call me cuckold LOL cause the US gov cuckoled your asshole so deep it is almost wearing you like a diving suit...they entered your asshole, and you are now a full body condom...like a sock with hands and legs...they didnt fist you they "bodied" you LOL you are literally a skin full body suit :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

wheres your business acumen? corporations dont pay for anything. customers pay for everything. The cost will be passed on to them. How do you miss this?

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Dude Trump doesn't know JACK SHIT. You gotta stop thinking Trump is some business genius. LOL He is not. I am a New Yorker and apparently ONLY we New Yorkers remember/know what a fool and charlatan the man is.

But aside from that there's this fact no one wants to acknowledge: America doesn't want its' jobs back. If it did there would be endless protests in the streets. See any? Nope - now get back to being distracted and stare at those smart phones all day long while life passes you by sheeple.

Coward Serb finance lectures. Too funny.

Im Bringing Americans Back To America... Not Indeviduals but the Right..

Sorry Porn Nerd... I like you. But if it came to choosing between you and Trump when it comes to business knowledge...you aren't even in the same league.

He breathes rarified air. Something that you and I don't even get a whiff of.

So you telling me the Trump doesn't know shit is like you telling me that Floyd Mayweather doesn't know how to box.
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Apparently not. It seems that people DO understand how business works.
He's winning big again today at the polls.

I disagree about the jobs. Back when the economy was roaring people were working and were happy to do so.

The problem is that the jobs that are being created today are mostly low paying service and retail jobs. Jobs, many people don't want. Take, for example, a friend of mine. Back during the recession his wife lost her job. They have two young kids so she became a stay at home mom. She could go out and get a job now, but if it only pays $9-$10 per hour it makes no sense for them. By the time they pay a babysitter and her cost of gas to drive to this job they would barely be breaking even. Now, if she could go out and find a better job that paid more and offered her a chance to move up in the company it would be a different story.

I think we are not seeing protests because there are enough low paying jobs to accommodate those who are desperate. Not to mention they can also get help from the government in the form of food stamps etc. Those who aren't desperate are looking for the right opportunity, but they can get by without working.

I think it makes him a hypocrite, but I also think a lot of people don't really care.

If he sweeps the primaries today he will be almost impossible to stop. I actually read that it would be better for him is he lost Ohio to Kasich because Rubio is likely to drop after losing Florida so if Kasich sticks around as the establishment guy it gives those Rubio supporters somewhere to go other than Cruz (although some would likely go to Trump as well) and they felt he would do better in a three person race with Kasich not really a threat, but leeching enough voters to pull Cruz down.

I'll concede that he didn't start from nothing. His dad did give/loan him a good amount of money, but to turn it into billions takes some serious knowledge. You don't just happen across that kind of thing.

Bla bla bla bla bla I too can talk like a Serb.

I like you too Robbie but you are doing here what many people do to try and win an unwinnable argument: throw false equivalencies around. Did I say that I, the great and masterful Porn Nerd, know more about business than Trump? No I did not, nor did I say Trump was incompetent when it came to business. But thinking he breathes 'rarified air' is nonsense. He's a celebrity and a genius at branding and marketing HIMSELF (and nothing more). To wit:

It's called the Peter Principle. Or, failing upwards. Give ME $20 mil to start with (and back when that was akin to $200 mil today), a blustery ego, a hungry New York media and WHAM watch me soar like Peter Pan. Trump was bankrupt many times, played with casinos and real estate (both dirty, unethical businesses here in NYC) and would pick fights with celebrities just to coattail on their PR juice.

Again, we New Yorkers "get" this while many others (Robbie included) are blinded by the word 'billionaire'. Trump is here for one thing only: to get Hillary elected. Make no mistake.

Think what you want Porn Nerd. But you're 100% wrong.
You just don't personally like Trump.

I never understand why so many people can look at a situation and if they don't like it, they don't seem to be able to give the devil his due.

Trump will win New York in the Republican primary easily. He might even be able to bring it into play in the general election. So I don't buy your New Yorkers know better story. New York has always been Democrat.

It's institutionalized there.

But the Democrat Party of today is NOT the one that New Yorkers grew up on.

And I'm not "blinded" by a man being successful. You however are being "blinded" by your own personal feelings about Trump.

By the way Porn Nerd...here is the latest polling on your "New Yorkers know better" claim:

Hillary could lose to Trump in Democratic New York | New York Post

Perhaps, but my "feelings" are based on journalistic evidence. Remember, I was a working mainstream journalist during the eighties/nineties and had several dealings with Trump and his crew. He was always willing to fudge this or that for whatever publicity he could get. So my "feelings" are based on personal experience, facts and objective evidence.

This isn't about feelings. It's about not wanting the fool from The Apprentice with his finger on the button.

PS: America should not be run like a business. Business only cares about profit. America's needs go far beyond Wall Street, international trade and the tax code. America also should be about people, immigrants, the needy, sick and poor. Do you think Trump gives a flying fuck about any of these people? LOL

Yes...when you make the statements you make about Trump with all that vitriol..it IS about feelings. You are denying it. But you simply don't like Trump personally.

No big deal.

But you are dead wrong if you don't think Trump travels in a high place of rarefied air and lives a lifestyle that most people will never know. And his business is giant.

To declare that he doesn't know what he's doing is just dumb.

I think "America" is the PEOPLE. Not the federal govt.

And the ONLY thing the Feds should be doing is making sure that there is an environment for business to thrive. It shouldn't be in the business of "taking care" of people or any of the other thousand things it does so badly.

That's just the way I see it. Just my opinion.

No one has ever mentioned Monkey Party and you guys are soposed to so political here..

I thought corporations are people. Why are their taxes so low and why are we trying to get them way lower?

Capital gains tax is already such a scam, valuing money over actual work...

That dynamic tension between thinking Government should provide a safety net and thinking Government should only be about business and defense is what makes America great - and very scary. LOL But I defend the right of both of our opinions to be expressed. That we can agree on I think. :)

No I don't like Trump nor do I like Hillary so I ask again: Is Hillary and Trump the best America can do for President? It like choosing between a turd sandwich and a shit burger.

Keep in mind that what we are electing is merely the head of the Executive Branch. It's very important. But we always refer to them as "the leader of the western world".

No their not. They are just one branch out of three.

Between Hillary and Trump...I'd say that Trump is the better choice without a doubt.
I base that on Hillary's incredibly horrible track record in office and the way she has used her power to take out enemies and bolster her own checkbook.

And that would be something I would kind of admire in the private sector. But she did it all as the wife of a Governor...then the wife of a President. And then as a Senator and a Secretary Of State.

I just listened to her Victory Speech a few minutes ago.

I was struck about how she talked about how we need a President to help all the people without jobs, to help all the people being discriminated against, to get this economy going again...etc., etc.

And I thought to myself: "Why don't you just call up Pres. Obama and get him to do all these things?"

She's talking about how terrible things are in this country as if Pres. Obama hasn't been in power for the last 7 + years!

Why DOESN'T she just call him up and say: "Barrack, I've discovered all these problems I want to fix as President. But instead of waiting on all this...why don't you just go ahead and fix them now?"

The answer? Because she has no intention on fixing any problems or standing up for people.
And if she really DOES mean all of that sincerely...then she must be totally incompetent since she brags about how she's been doing it all of her life.
And yet the problems are still there...and according to her, worse than ever.

trump will solve the flaws of capitalim! just vote for him and do not worry :thumbsup

big capital will, somehow, cease to conspire...global interest will change its mind once trump starts using the best words, because he has the best words...

corporations will return to intrinsic values, investors will totally understand and not drop a single share, buyers will want expensive shit again, china will take it like a champ...

because a politician said so :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

http://i.imgur.com/DnrgATY.jpg

Like I said, you really should take the time to learn more about the subject on which you are expounding. I urge you to read those books I posted the downloads for. What you are talking about is cronyism, not capitalism.




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Why do people keep saying it is impossible to make profitable clothing in the USA? I guess these guys are doing the impossible then:

America Clothing factories in the USA




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Dammit! www.holymilk.com is taken!

I had such a great idea for a new Fake XXX site, too. :(

Before I moved to Las Vegas I lived in the upstate of South Carolina from 1992 to 2008 in the Greenville/Spartanburg area.

It was DEVESTATED economically. Why? Because it was a huge textile area. The textile mills there ran 24 hours a day in 3 shifts and most neighborhoods were "mill houses" built by the companies to house their workers.

But those plants closed down one by one and moved to China. I saw it with my own two eyes.
So don't tell me that you can google up some companies and "prove" a damn thing. I watched the entire upstate of South Carolina die economically.

Then BMW opened a plant between Greenville and Spartanburg and the economy roared back to life.

But for thousands of textile workers...those particular jobs were gone and never came back.

And THOSE people are the ones you make fun of and call "angry".
You disgrace yourself when you treat your fellow human beings the way that you and your fake-liberal elitists buddys do.

You should be ashamed of yourself. :mad:

Here's the irony: being upset at all those jobs being sent overseas yet not being upset with the people who made the decisions to SEND them there.

Who did that again? Ah yes, the "job creators". The businessman who everyone so adores and wants to emulate. But it's those very same CEOs who sent the jobs away just to boost corporate profits so they could pay themselves more.

YES be mad at "government" (big or small) but do it for the right reasons. Then maybe some real change will happen. Be mad because governments allow themselves to be influenced by rich corporations and industries instead of common folk.

Ah the irony. Gotta love politics. :D

I grew up in a small town that had two large lumber mills in it. Most of the people in town either worked in the mills, the logging industry or some local business.

Both those mills shut down not long after I graduated high school and it crushed the town. The only reason the town survived is that the state built a new expressway that made getting to and from that town much easier. Today the town is about 4 times as big as when I was a kid and now it has become a full blown yuppie suburb.

In the case of these mills one shut down because they were part of package deal and were bought by a new company that never intended to run it. The other shut down when it became more profitable to ship logs to China and not process them here.

Of course, the cost will be passed on. The saving is in US debt.

Maybe you will hire a carpenter, or buy more imported clothes, computers, etc. The Government does employ people. Your extra $1,000 put one out of a job, removes his tax and employment contributions, his shopping contribution and puts him on benefits.

You should be hiring people to grow your business if you can grow it. The problem with cutting spending is, there will be fewer people able to buy from you.

your model worked when the sacked Government Worker moved to work in the private sector. Now because that's gone. It's dead as a Dodo.

If jobs were moving onshore in any great numbers, the trade gap would be narrowing. And debt to GDP dropping.

Take no notice of him, it can only be businesses that gets all of us out of this mess. They got us into it.

Spot on. And those jobs contribute little to the economy.

Would people protest if they had to pay more for clothes, electrical goods, etc? As we see greed is a big draw factor for many. The problem is if the West continues down it'as present road, cars, trains, planes, ships and even the prime US industries will be in the Third World. Look at what are China's prime industries. Then who will Porn Nerd, Woj and Dyna sell to?

He's not using business acumen, he's using mob appeal tactics. He knows cutting taxes without matching cuts without passing on costs will just raise debt, he knows there's no way to ban Muslims, build a wall and no way to build a bigger armed forces and use it, with anything but, borrowed money or more taxes.

He's betting, and winning it, that the voters don't realise it.

The one thing that is sure is. If he doubles or trebles US debt and leaves the country in a mess, he will retire. And live life out like all the ex-Presidents have in the past.

It's possible to make profitable clothing and everything else in the West. It's just more profitable to make it in the Third World. Labour costs are so low in the Third World, it makes up for the shipping costs and then some.

The problem is the Third world started making clothes, then moved to cars, bikes and now putting men into space and building for Boeing and Airbus. Read this to see more. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Techno...story_of_China

When will it stop? Because if it doesn't the US won't have the power to turn the clock back. At the moment, it will hurt if China chooses to stop buying West's Bonds. Imagine a scenario where China is determining the West economic policies like the EU controls Greece's economy. Because without more money Greece stops.

"America is too strong for that". Only applies while it can increase debt, based on it's economic strength.

So Greenville and Spartanburg and the economy now rely on a German company staying strong and the Chinese not making a similar car. For half the price.

This is the irony. The people who have bought politicians for years and sent jobs overseas for decades. Have seen their wealth grow at astounding rates. Are seen as heroes and the only people capable of stopping them are the villains.

yes crony capitalism is one step away from communism where the means of production (money) is in the hands of a few...amuses me to no end...

you are completely right with your libertarian veiws, I only think its impossible to stop big business with a single lying cheating trumpet...

US congress being hanged by a lynch mob would probably solve it...

I am not against capitalism, I just believe it is going very wrong at the moment...

min wage USA 7.5$/hour
min wage china 1.2/hour
indonesia 50cents/hour
india 30cents/hour
uganda 0.01cents/hour

not impossible to produce in the USA...but its like playing business on hard mode against guys with cheat codes...

exactly...its a massive ego stroke at the great expense of others...its like going to the casino with somebody elses money, who knows maybe he will get lucky :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

if not, he will blame muslims or mexicans or crab people...

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note the difference in the Joseph Abboud made in USA items v. the Joseph Abboud imports (from asia?)

Just one example how consumer prices will rise if we bring the McJobs in low skilled manufacturing back from Asia. Instead of paying Asian workers $1 or $2 an hour, a liveable wage in some parts of Asia, we pay American workers $10 or $15 an hour (+plus mandated as well as offered benefits) to produce essentially the same goods. Even if productivity efficiency is improved 50% -- these relatively low value goods will cost a lot more.

woj is wrong. That $1,000 computer he buys made with global content and assembled in Asia with low cost labor would cost $2,500 if it was 80% USA made content and assembled in Texas. Maybe, he could assemble the computer from parts himself or with is own people and save a couple of hundred dollars, maybe.

Explain to me how this would not be inflationary?

Voodoo Economics v 2.0

McJobs for the people -- get your training at Trump University or Bernie Free U. I would have no problem with reforming the educational system in America to train qualifying people for the jobs that are in demand -- and having some of my tax money applied to that. But giving Americans jobs in garment factories like my grandfather owned 70 years ago. They were shitty jobs then and very expensive jobs today.

government is the problem though, not the solution... cronyism comes from the fact that government has unlimited power, enacts laws to give politician friend's an edge, while fucking everyone else in the process...

it's not possible to grow rice profitably in the US either... what's your point? do you complain about the fact that rice farmers in the US are struggling? Why not? It's because growing rice is a job of a Chinese peasant who earns 10 cents an hour... same logic follows for assembling widgets like a monkey in some factory... that too is a job of some peasant in China who barely earns enough to eat... :2 cents:

But ......The "job creators" are also the ones responsible for keeping the company alive. When the government allows the same product you manufacturer to be imported from a country with no EPA regulations and employees making $15 a week drastic action is needed or you'll be out of business.

Unfair trade agreements prompted the exodus of manufacturing as well as more profits. Ross Perot was correct.

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you must have misunderstood what I meant... I meant, if you had to pick whether the government should get an extra $1000 to spend or some person... the person would spend the $$ more wisely and efficiently... at the very least it would eliminate corruption and cronyism involved when it comes to spending government $$$...

buying a computer was just a random example, I didn't mean to imply that buying a computer manufactured in the US would cost the same...

OK, misunderstood.

That's wrong. He is making his ties in China to maximize profit.

Meanwhile, I buy my luggage from a local company where everything is made less than one hundred miles from me: https://www.sfbags.com/

If this company can make a profit making hand crafted luggage in San Francicso, I'm pretty damn sure Trump find someone to make ties here in the United States.

my point is that it applies to every job you can imagine not just low skilled crap like assembly and growing rice...

programmers, engineers, researchers, scientists etc...why pay some US guy $10.000/month when you can pay a 3rd world guy 10x less?

sure you will need SOME local jobs like doctors and services that are US domestic by nature...but opening a research lab in china is like 10x less expensive than in the USA...you will have to follow 10x less laws in china...

with US education being the predatory system that it is, skilled workers are in deficit anyway...1 trillion $ student debt and growing, its not going to get better...1/3 of your population has a college degree...the other 2/3 need a job too :2 cents::2 cents:

"the shit jobs went to china we will all be scientists and programmers" is not a valid argument IMO...