Dammit! www.holymilk.com is taken!

I had such a great idea for a new Fake XXX site, too. :(

Before I moved to Las Vegas I lived in the upstate of South Carolina from 1992 to 2008 in the Greenville/Spartanburg area.

It was DEVESTATED economically. Why? Because it was a huge textile area. The textile mills there ran 24 hours a day in 3 shifts and most neighborhoods were "mill houses" built by the companies to house their workers.

But those plants closed down one by one and moved to China. I saw it with my own two eyes.
So don't tell me that you can google up some companies and "prove" a damn thing. I watched the entire upstate of South Carolina die economically.

Then BMW opened a plant between Greenville and Spartanburg and the economy roared back to life.

But for thousands of textile workers...those particular jobs were gone and never came back.

And THOSE people are the ones you make fun of and call "angry".
You disgrace yourself when you treat your fellow human beings the way that you and your fake-liberal elitists buddys do.

You should be ashamed of yourself. :mad:

Here's the irony: being upset at all those jobs being sent overseas yet not being upset with the people who made the decisions to SEND them there.

Who did that again? Ah yes, the "job creators". The businessman who everyone so adores and wants to emulate. But it's those very same CEOs who sent the jobs away just to boost corporate profits so they could pay themselves more.

YES be mad at "government" (big or small) but do it for the right reasons. Then maybe some real change will happen. Be mad because governments allow themselves to be influenced by rich corporations and industries instead of common folk.

Ah the irony. Gotta love politics. :D

I grew up in a small town that had two large lumber mills in it. Most of the people in town either worked in the mills, the logging industry or some local business.

Both those mills shut down not long after I graduated high school and it crushed the town. The only reason the town survived is that the state built a new expressway that made getting to and from that town much easier. Today the town is about 4 times as big as when I was a kid and now it has become a full blown yuppie suburb.

In the case of these mills one shut down because they were part of package deal and were bought by a new company that never intended to run it. The other shut down when it became more profitable to ship logs to China and not process them here.

Of course, the cost will be passed on. The saving is in US debt.

Maybe you will hire a carpenter, or buy more imported clothes, computers, etc. The Government does employ people. Your extra $1,000 put one out of a job, removes his tax and employment contributions, his shopping contribution and puts him on benefits.

You should be hiring people to grow your business if you can grow it. The problem with cutting spending is, there will be fewer people able to buy from you.

your model worked when the sacked Government Worker moved to work in the private sector. Now because that's gone. It's dead as a Dodo.

If jobs were moving onshore in any great numbers, the trade gap would be narrowing. And debt to GDP dropping.

Take no notice of him, it can only be businesses that gets all of us out of this mess. They got us into it.

Spot on. And those jobs contribute little to the economy.

Would people protest if they had to pay more for clothes, electrical goods, etc? As we see greed is a big draw factor for many. The problem is if the West continues down it'as present road, cars, trains, planes, ships and even the prime US industries will be in the Third World. Look at what are China's prime industries. Then who will Porn Nerd, Woj and Dyna sell to?

He's not using business acumen, he's using mob appeal tactics. He knows cutting taxes without matching cuts without passing on costs will just raise debt, he knows there's no way to ban Muslims, build a wall and no way to build a bigger armed forces and use it, with anything but, borrowed money or more taxes.

He's betting, and winning it, that the voters don't realise it.

The one thing that is sure is. If he doubles or trebles US debt and leaves the country in a mess, he will retire. And live life out like all the ex-Presidents have in the past.

It's possible to make profitable clothing and everything else in the West. It's just more profitable to make it in the Third World. Labour costs are so low in the Third World, it makes up for the shipping costs and then some.

The problem is the Third world started making clothes, then moved to cars, bikes and now putting men into space and building for Boeing and Airbus. Read this to see more. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Techno...story_of_China

When will it stop? Because if it doesn't the US won't have the power to turn the clock back. At the moment, it will hurt if China chooses to stop buying West's Bonds. Imagine a scenario where China is determining the West economic policies like the EU controls Greece's economy. Because without more money Greece stops.

"America is too strong for that". Only applies while it can increase debt, based on it's economic strength.

So Greenville and Spartanburg and the economy now rely on a German company staying strong and the Chinese not making a similar car. For half the price.

This is the irony. The people who have bought politicians for years and sent jobs overseas for decades. Have seen their wealth grow at astounding rates. Are seen as heroes and the only people capable of stopping them are the villains.

yes crony capitalism is one step away from communism where the means of production (money) is in the hands of a few...amuses me to no end...

you are completely right with your libertarian veiws, I only think its impossible to stop big business with a single lying cheating trumpet...

US congress being hanged by a lynch mob would probably solve it...

I am not against capitalism, I just believe it is going very wrong at the moment...

min wage USA 7.5$/hour
min wage china 1.2/hour
indonesia 50cents/hour
india 30cents/hour
uganda 0.01cents/hour

not impossible to produce in the USA...but its like playing business on hard mode against guys with cheat codes...

exactly...its a massive ego stroke at the great expense of others...its like going to the casino with somebody elses money, who knows maybe he will get lucky :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

if not, he will blame muslims or mexicans or crab people...

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note the difference in the Joseph Abboud made in USA items v. the Joseph Abboud imports (from asia?)

Just one example how consumer prices will rise if we bring the McJobs in low skilled manufacturing back from Asia. Instead of paying Asian workers $1 or $2 an hour, a liveable wage in some parts of Asia, we pay American workers $10 or $15 an hour (+plus mandated as well as offered benefits) to produce essentially the same goods. Even if productivity efficiency is improved 50% -- these relatively low value goods will cost a lot more.

woj is wrong. That $1,000 computer he buys made with global content and assembled in Asia with low cost labor would cost $2,500 if it was 80% USA made content and assembled in Texas. Maybe, he could assemble the computer from parts himself or with is own people and save a couple of hundred dollars, maybe.

Explain to me how this would not be inflationary?

Voodoo Economics v 2.0

McJobs for the people -- get your training at Trump University or Bernie Free U. I would have no problem with reforming the educational system in America to train qualifying people for the jobs that are in demand -- and having some of my tax money applied to that. But giving Americans jobs in garment factories like my grandfather owned 70 years ago. They were shitty jobs then and very expensive jobs today.

government is the problem though, not the solution... cronyism comes from the fact that government has unlimited power, enacts laws to give politician friend's an edge, while fucking everyone else in the process...

it's not possible to grow rice profitably in the US either... what's your point? do you complain about the fact that rice farmers in the US are struggling? Why not? It's because growing rice is a job of a Chinese peasant who earns 10 cents an hour... same logic follows for assembling widgets like a monkey in some factory... that too is a job of some peasant in China who barely earns enough to eat... :2 cents:

But ......The "job creators" are also the ones responsible for keeping the company alive. When the government allows the same product you manufacturer to be imported from a country with no EPA regulations and employees making $15 a week drastic action is needed or you'll be out of business.

Unfair trade agreements prompted the exodus of manufacturing as well as more profits. Ross Perot was correct.

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you must have misunderstood what I meant... I meant, if you had to pick whether the government should get an extra $1000 to spend or some person... the person would spend the $$ more wisely and efficiently... at the very least it would eliminate corruption and cronyism involved when it comes to spending government $$$...

buying a computer was just a random example, I didn't mean to imply that buying a computer manufactured in the US would cost the same...

OK, misunderstood.

That's wrong. He is making his ties in China to maximize profit.

Meanwhile, I buy my luggage from a local company where everything is made less than one hundred miles from me: https://www.sfbags.com/

If this company can make a profit making hand crafted luggage in San Francicso, I'm pretty damn sure Trump find someone to make ties here in the United States.

my point is that it applies to every job you can imagine not just low skilled crap like assembly and growing rice...

programmers, engineers, researchers, scientists etc...why pay some US guy $10.000/month when you can pay a 3rd world guy 10x less?

sure you will need SOME local jobs like doctors and services that are US domestic by nature...but opening a research lab in china is like 10x less expensive than in the USA...you will have to follow 10x less laws in china...

with US education being the predatory system that it is, skilled workers are in deficit anyway...1 trillion $ student debt and growing, its not going to get better...1/3 of your population has a college degree...the other 2/3 need a job too :2 cents::2 cents:

"the shit jobs went to china we will all be scientists and programmers" is not a valid argument IMO...

Absolutely. We live in a fascist country (America) in the true definition of the word, not Naziism. Fascism is the merging of government and corporate interests to the point where it's seamless, and that is what we have right now in the US. So yes, trade unbalance is the root of this evil. Germany (for example) has resisted trade inequities and their manufacturing base has remained strong for decades.

And Donald Trump is no Ross Perot. Just sayin'. :)

so trump really has no plan to reverse offshoring?

damn that's going to suck for all the people who vote for him hoping he would do as he keeps promising.

Agreed. Now look at who controls the Governments.

If it were only rice fine.

The guys assembling widgets used to be your customers. Now it's becoming the guys at Boeing, Airbus and those putting men into space.

Spot on. :thumbsup

You're the guy who isn't building his business 10 fold, because he's not getting a $20 a week tax break. So what would you do that's better than employ a policeman or teacher with your $20 a week?

Yes there is corruption, but that's the fault of the political model we have.

To rid the system of corruption we have to vote for those who don't have vested interests, don't need money or a job after they leave politics. Trump fills those boxes. The problem he will have after elected is all the other politicians who bought power with corporate money.

Absolutely. Once you drop your socialist dogma you make sense.

US corporations rely on the West for sales. We need to tell them that if they want to make abroad and sell in the West, then transfer profits to a tax haven. They will be closed from selling in the West.

Those companies are running the World for the benefit of the 1%.

most western brands would go under in such a scenario...

for example an Iphone would cost say $2000 to be made in the USA and that indian phone is just 4$...

how much tax do you think you could impose on the indian company to protect apple, without hurting trade agreements with the world? 200% tax on 4$ is like 8$...so the india phone would be 12$ instead of 4$ but US goods abroad would probably be met with the %200 tax too...not probably but definitely...

you can protect domestic production only at the cost of screwing over your own exports...

Only tax goods from countries that have a huge trade deficit with a Western Country. The tax would be at a level where it's still possible to sell, just not as profitable. If you think a $4 phone arrive at the docks, then shops at $4. You're not in any form of business that requires costing products.

Shop markups are between 100-200%.

The EU-US would have no problem trading with each other. Countries like India would have to bow down or lose a lot their economy.

The problem with doing nothing is eventually, so much is made abroad a country is forced to go into debt to buy the products it needs. Whoops, too late.

Still nice to see you start to understand how business has to work.

capital is now global not just USA...if you make it less profitable to invest in US companies producing for pennies in china, then they will not invest <-----huge problem

open up a US domestic production and see how much serious capital you get...


investors want $$$$$...they want it NOW...or they go elsewhere...

You're missing my point. By taxing goods that come into the West, there's nowhere better to invest.

The two global markets for most are EU and US. China has a trade surplus with everyone, as do most Third world Countries. So who invests in what, if they can't sell to the EU and US cheap goods?

The only thing stopping this is the will of the people to vote for politicians who will stand up to big business. At the moment the suppliers are ruling the customers.

Man this thread turned unreadable real quick. :(

Yes the investors will be thrilled that their sweat shop profit is now taxed more...buyers will be thrilled to pay more for the same shit and it will also spurt sales...not LOL

this is basic basic stuff paul...its not really up for debate, you touch their profits they will drop you like the plague...capital is international it is not in the USA any more <---concentrate on this

Great Charts !
They show a reduced trade deficit based on lower economic activity and a much lower price for imported oil and a strengthening dollar compared to other currencies that we import from..

The economic ignorance and misinformation is breathtaking, isn't it?

I really wish that kids were taught economics, both theory and history, both Austrian as well as Keynesian, in high school... It's basic to human interaction, and the lack of understanding is just depressing.


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Coward Serb idiots will be the death of this place.

politics is esoteric enough for GFY, [USA] economics blows the lid off that. esp when that convo is dominated by the serb and markham.

actually the death of this place will be american idiots...I only posted my opinion and you guys answered back :1orglaugh

"serb idiots" LOL has nothing to do with your inability to stay the fuck out of commenting on stuff you do not want to be commented back...

it also in no way shape of form stops you from reading what you really are interested in...

I get it, you know your shit boat is sinking and who ever rubs your face in the truth is an idiot...

its not even a serious thread...trump promises jobs will come back to the USA :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

only a fucking moron would not see the humor :2 cents:

this would make sense if America was not #1.

but we are.

yeah you are doing just fine :1orglaugh

Congrats on the self awareness.
Admiting you're a moron is the first step towards healing.

Better than fucking Serbia, broski.

at @ #64 you think you're better.


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