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Paul Markham 03-20-2016 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 20784429)
unlike politicians, trump has been working for a living... different insights for sure :1orglaugh

You didn't answer the question.

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but serious question ...

how does he actually plan to bring these jobs back to america?
I would add to that, do his voters understand the costs to them of bringing those jobs back?

pimpmaster9000 03-20-2016 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 20787027)

Communism hurts the working class hard. The new Socialism is despised by the Working Class, they have no desire to share more of what have with others.

my communist logo is a joke about america being closer to communism than it is to actual capitalism...

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 20787027)
What we need is people earning enough to buy a $10 million house, by producing goods in the countries they sell the goods. Not making goods abroad and selling them in the First World or gambling a $1 bill is really worth $1.50 and expection the people to bail them out.

human nature does not change...people do not want to produce in the 1st world and make less...1st world workers=no lube

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Paul Markham 03-21-2016 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 20787042)
my communist logo is a joke about america being closer to communism than it is to actual capitalism...

You have no idea what Communism is.

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human nature does not change...people do not want to produce in the 1st world and make less...1st world workers=no lube
Agreed, so a bit of force from the Government is required.

It shouldn't be hard as the people getting screwed are the voters.

pimpmaster9000 03-21-2016 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 20789142)

Agreed, so a bit of force from the Government is required.

It shouldn't be hard as the people getting screwed are the voters.

you cant have it both ways paul...

you cant produce with high cost domestic workers AND expect people to buy expensive goods domestic and abroad<---take note of this last word

you cant expect to raise taxes on imports AND other countries not raising taxes on you

even if you put in place trade agreements and you make small countries bow down, you can not force their population to buy your expensive shit...on the other hand they need absolutely nothing made in USA...the world can do without american apparel <---they will just get taxed to shit in retaliation and companies like them...

your argument basically boils down to:
prices will rise, sales will not drop...

the west is becoming more and more equal...at least the bottom 99%...means of production is money...money is more and more in the hands of a few...tell me paul, when most of the population is equal and the means of production is in the hands of a few what political system is that?

hint: it begins with the letter c...and ends with ommunism...

what could that be?

https://openclipart.org/image/2400px...-Communism.png

Paul Markham 03-21-2016 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 20789289)
you cant have it both ways paul...

you cant produce with high cost domestic workers AND expect people to buy expensive goods domestic and abroad<---take note of this last word

Then carry on losing jobs.

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you cant expect to raise taxes on imports AND other countries not raising taxes on you
Taxes only apply to countries that sell a lot more than they buy and not selling a resource like oil.

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even if you put in place trade agreements and you make small countries bow down, you can not force their population to buy your expensive shit...on the other hand they need absolutely nothing made in USA...the world can do without american apparel <---they will just get taxed to shit in retaliation and companies like them...
If they need nothing of ours, we buy nothing of theirs.

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your argument basically boils down to:
prices will rise, sales will not drop...
You missed jobs will rise, taxes and debt will lower.

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the west is becoming more and more equal...at least the bottom 99%...means of production is money...money is more and more in the hands of a few...tell me paul, when most of the population is equal and the means of production is in the hands of a few what political system is that?
Equal by dropping down to a lower level and a few remaining at the top, is how communism works.

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hint: it begins with the letter c...and ends with ommunism...

what could that be?
Westerners will not accept it.

I agree that if we carry on this route the tiny few will be very wealthy and most the rest will have enough to keep the system turning. They won't have the wealth they have now because most jobs will have gone East. Or be done by machine.

So how does the 1% fuel consumerism without sharing more of what they have and looking after the less fortunate?

The Right thinks the less fortunate should starve while importing more of them to share in the rests wealth.

The Left say borrow and borrow again to repay the previous debt and add more on top.

Neither can continue. The 1% 95% rely on the West to consume their goods. Without Western Markets corporations die. It's these markets that create Corporations, Wealth and jobs. At the moment, the wealth is going to a select few and the jobs East.

You say it won't change. Think that through until you have so few customers, you're on food stamps or begging on the street. Along with millions more.

And anyone who says they have other markets. Tell us where they are and what % of sales they represent.

Paul Markham 03-21-2016 04:54 AM

Communism was an idea that would have fitted in nicely during 18th Century England. Where it started to take shape.

At a time when fortunes were being made in the Third World and the money was shipped to the England. It was only through the manufacture of food and raw produce.

The highest level of technology was the steam engine and gas light. Manufacturing anything required workers, they were essential. England was the leading manufacturing country in the world. Which meant high employment.

Take out the constant income from abroad, or the manufacturing. And it failed every time it was tried. Except for the leaders. Who needed to be backed by guns every time.

Capitalism relies on consumerism. Take the jobs away from enough consumers and there are fewer sales. Without huge debts keeping public sectors workers employed, the real picture would be bleak. That's the only thing keeping consumerism going.

slapass 03-21-2016 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 20787000)
The problem with 500 people spending $20 is more money than 1 guy spending $5k is, where did the $20 comes from, what did they buy and the same with the 1 guy spending $5k.

500 guys on benefits spending $20 is what's causing the problems.

500 on a decent wage paying taxes and employed in the private sector making good the world buys. Is far better than 1 guy making the equivalent lump sum by importing goods from the third world.

The percentage of people on benefits in the US has been pretty much the same since the 80's.

I get that you are on a crusade over this outsourcing model. You might want to look around and see if people are really suffering or if they they just like to bitch.

Paul Markham 03-21-2016 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by slapass (Post 20789454)
The percentage of people on benefits in the US has been pretty much the same since the 80's.

I get that you are on a crusade over this outsourcing model. You might want to look around and see if people are really suffering or if they they just like to bitch.

I'm talking about the consequences of other countries taking the manufacturing the West has. I know here in Europe decent jobs are disappearing at an alarming rate.


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