I think fast food is where we will see the next big automation explosion. If they used kiosks like this for ordering and paying and had machines that cooked the burgers for you so someone doesn't have to stand there and flip them they could run an entire place with just a few employees.

Those out of work will become more political and vote for people who will provide benefits. Or take up their guns and start a revolution. Isn't that what some claim an armed militia is for? :error

When you look back. Which part do you see where the Third World was the manufacturing hub?

The strength of the British Empire was its Third World Empire producing the raw materials. With 100% of the profits flowing back to Britain, where the rich were obscenely rich compared to the poor. See the parallel?

You may be one of those that's in the top bracket and convinced the poor should remain poor and increase in numbers. So you can remain rich. that won't last.

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Are Job Creation numbers keeping pace with the population increases? No. To keep pace the US needs to create 1.5 million jobs a year. That's ignoring the facts that many of those jobs pay a low wage.

This is also a problem in the UK.

Vocational training to do what?

There's no need to destroy the machines. Just to make sure they're made in the West for making cars, clothing, electrical goods, metals, etc. And not in the Far East.

Examine who got very rich from changing to the new Industrial Revolution practices. Where they lived and where their wealth stayed. Your approach is more Luddite than you think. You want to hang onto the old ways of sending jobs and wealth overseas.

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How many members do you have in China?

More than we had a few years ago :2 cents:

Our biggest problems are in France where poor economic growth has translated to customer attrition. France: where there is a more social equitable system ...

A lot of our customers are spending more than $300 a month and I am guessing that they don't derive their income from US or EU minimum wage workers. In fact, 90% to 95% of all workers are employed. Our average buyer is most likely not the manager of a McDonalds nor the department manager at Wal-Mart either.

An person in the states making $15/hr is just getting by -- he is not paying $120/hr to mess around with cam girls in private.

To assert that the man able to pay $120/hr to buy camgirl love is profiting by his crew of 15 burger-flippers is nonsense.

As I said in this and all these threads we are going to be faced with massive unemployment anyway at some point. Post recession unemployment levels have dropped but at the same time many of the new jobs are crappy jobs that are the ones looking to be roboticized. Globalization has pushed the "good blue collar" jobs out a while ago

I'm curious the average gfy politics poster these days because it always seems like they grew up in the generation where you could work at the factory and afford two cars a house and a family. Oh and could work your way to the top it just took some hard work!

I really don't see where the problem is... 3rd world labor is in many ways equivalent to slave labor from few centuries ago... did anyone ever complain that "slaves are taking our jobs"? Did society collapse because there were no jobs for non-slaves?

Can't speak for other countries but if someone lives in the US and makes minimum wage and they aren't on a jail release program or mentally/physically disabled then they are unmotivated as plenty of jobs that start at $10-$15+ with minimal training. :2 cents:

Robots and robotic machines are man's new slaves. This is more humane with regard to slavery.

Unfortunately, a lot of lesser intelligent and skilled people globally will be obsoleted.

Maybe, half of them can be retrained in some fashion to be able to support themselves.

The other half? And this is a global issue. A shoe making robot and robotic machinery works for less, in both grief and labor cost, as a human worker in Asia. The product manufacturing will go where the technical talent is to build and manage the robotics.

Enough for you to survive on?

Poor economic growth, mass migration shrinking of wages.

Are they always going to have a job at a level where they can spend $300?

Whereas he might have been if he had a well paid job.

As the number of low paid grow the number of people who can afford $1200/hr to buy camgirl love. Will shrink.

You're assuming everything can stay as it is. Why? Given that the facts point to the opposite.

You agree with me. But maybe not the solution.

Bring the jobs back to the countries of sale. Even if automated it returns the Wealth to the country. High taxes starting at the average wage, to keep the unemployed from picking up a gun.

Then a population control scheme limiting all migrants who aren't going to earn $50,000 + and introduce tough measures to limit births.

Half a population living on the breadline is very dangerous for the other half. Especially when they all own guns. What can't happen is a population like the Third World or Cuba, N. Korea, etc. First World people won't stand for it.

So none of these people once had a decent job. :upsidedow

I agree kids today are less motivated. Especially in places where there are so few decent jobs, education is poor, parents were made redundant. The facts show factories are closing faster than "Macdonalds" and "JC Penny" can create jobs.

$15/hr is not a well paid job to be able to afford what I sell. Our business lives off of the top 5% :2 cents:

Maybe, they are making their money importing good globally, trading FOREX, in top end banking positions (they are not the tellers), Doctors, Lawyers, Engineers ... I never ask -- I just take their money.

I have another camsite where we are producing private cam shows for 99¢/minute with an entry level package of $10. The median purchase is $25. Conclusion: Even when cheaper entertainment and lower price points are offered customers with little money to spend don't buy. Some do and I'll offer them that "opportunity" but I won't be able to live off it -- it is cream off the top -- additional revenue -- a small % of buyers.

I would probably have better luck selling them (the financially limited) a 6 pack and a joint for entertainment and then they go to a freemium camsite to be a grey and fap for free or a tube and wank to the vids:2 cents:

Raising wages without a raised productivity will not benefit me or my business. Get an education in a well paying field.

If you live in cornland and every job pays minimum then maybe ya can deal with it as living costs are cheap as well. In Chicago they keep smacking up houses that all look the same with no yards and the sign reads starting from 399k and that's 15-20 minutes south of downtown, downtown I see new condos with 800k price tags so depends where ya live but personally I wouldn't be happy with minimum unless the town was handing out free houses. My cousins wife recently debated coming to Chicago for a new job and realized they couldn't afford it as any raise she would be getting would be sucked up by housing cost increase and our wonderful taxes, cigarette, pop, bottled water, netflix, etc... :2 cents:

You either need a damn good job, own a business, posses a good professional eduction or be a medium level drug dealer to live like that.

If they worked for $3 an hour and they could be replaced with this they would. Dont kid yourself.

The problem is now the avg min wage worker age is 29, so we the tax payer are making up the difference. Talk about socialism. Alot of these people would have been working in factories making a decent dollar but thanks to Nafta that's gone.
Also, $15 an hour isn't some oh my god wage, the problem is wages have been so flat. That's considered a good wage and it's not. I started in a factory in the 80's knowing nothing and they gave me $11 to start.

If those machines (order taker kiosk) cost less than $140,000 that machine is a 24 month payback ROI over human employees, for 16 hrs daily for 720 days ...

They will make the 'order taker kiosk' for a lot less than that and lease them for 3 or 5 years. The inventory control and the work flow control is already in place now.

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Mandated FCIA, unemployment taxes, workman's comp and liability taxes, minor employer-paid fringe benefits are maybe near an additional 26%
=sum((A1*16)*362)*2

It's fuckin' math running a business. Bottom line ROI.
You can get there any way you want -- but the bean stackers effect the decision in the end.

Min wage here in Aus is over 20 bucks an hour and all the fast food chains still manage to make a profit.

Its not about the lowest paying jobs.. Go to states like FL or Texas.. look at their CL postings.. most of the "Blue Collar" jobs pay shit wages in these states.. You are talking semi skilled jobs that pay $10/hr.

Meanwhile you go somewhere like CT,MA, even CO and the exact same job is paying $15-16/hr.

Staples is good example I worked for them in CT and was making $17/hr with a 3 day work week. I kept the job so I could have insurance.

I tried to transfer to one of their FL DC's doing the exact same job for the same company and they would only pay $13/hr.

The min wage hike is needed because of shit like that. Companies that can afford to pay more in other states fuck the workers in all the lovely "right to work states".


Most of you guys who complain about this, have sat behind your computer screens far too long, living a sheltered life and have no clue what the real world is like.

So you're going after the 5%. what if their income gets hit via higher taxes to pay for your suggested solutions? Still I doubt if Rolls Royce are worried about a loss os market.

no one is going to go to a restaurant without any human element and interaction except maybe some lowest common denominator fast food garbage place.

most people are human beings, social beings, emotional beings not robots who live in their head abstractly and unemotionally.

Then sit down 'coffee shop' type menu prices will increase at least enough to pay for the wage increases. I have no problem with that in principle --businesses need to maintain margins or increase sales volume to absorb higher costs.

During the 1970s and 1980s we got on the inflationary windmill it continued until 2008 when the balloon popped.

These are from the official department of labor inflation numbers -- they are on the low side maybe.

Point is: See what inflating price and wages got us -- currency devaluation.

Real earnings have declined for many people that is undisputed. Increasing the efficiency and lowering the cost of production is better than setting artificially higher wages. Real value is gained only in that way and in the innovation of new products.

Simply put: Paying more for the same old shit achieves nothing -- the same old shit just costs more.

Another great idea by leftard leecher mentality mongers (aka party of the losers)... Free money, lets up it to 25/hour and everybody will live happily! Why only 15 :(