You think too simply. His idea of a wall solves nothing. Ladders, ropes and shovels will easily defeat it.

Blocking WU is also going to solve nothing. People will.just use another method like paypal or a off shore alternative.

Hell they could just buy pre-paid credit cards and send them via mail or send a check.. There is countless ways around the blocking of wires.

His ideas only sound good if you don't think very hard about it.

Look at adult as a easy example. Programs pay affiliates all over the world and do not require using wires, unless you want them.

Trump is stupid but a "ok" salesmen. I say ok, because he can only sell BS to people that choose not to inform themselves.

I think you missed his point. Western Union traditionally has been the method of choice to "send money home to Mexico". Twenty years ago that was the only way, but this is no longer the case. You no longer need to walk into a physical location to send cash. You can do it from your cell phone while watching TV in your living room.

If Western Union was to close it's doors in the morning, they would still be sending money back to Mexico.

Simpleton thinking.

Do you think that the Mexican government would give a rat's ass?

What about all the US wired (or transfers) of Dollars sent out to all foreign countries by individuals? Guatemala, Columbia, India, Philippines and other destinations -- why just Mexico?

Donald Trump would force Mexicans in US to pay for his wall | New York Post

Unless you can produce a valid US Passport, The Certificate of U.S. Naturalization (form N-550 or N-570) or a Green Card you have no immediate proof of being a US citizen or a legal US residency. How many of you could prove your citizenship or legal residency on the spot? People in trailer parks don't have US passports normally -- driver's licenses don't prove shit other that who you are, your age and that you are licensed to drive a car.

Trump either got hit with the stupid stick or thinks surly you are really fucking stupid.

Also, any US Treasury regulation like this would have to apply to every MTA regulated -- except when specific wrongdoing is at issue and the order is in effect a stay.

What Trump and others rarely talk about is the fact that at least half of the people who are here illegally came here legally in the first place. They came into the country with an entrance visa just like someone coming here on a vacation and they just never left. We are going to have to find out a better way to stop this from happening. A wall will just encourage more people to come here legally and not leave or fly to Canada and sneak across that border.

Wow, take it easy cowboy. Common sense is not welcomed here.

did you even read this?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/apps/...007/?tid=a_inl

Yes I did. Do you even understand what I said in my post? NOTHING that Trump is proposing is new. It's all out there already.

You already can NOT send Western Union to other countries without going in person and showing ID. (not sending online) It's part of the Patriot Act (read the top part of the link you sent).
The country that was EXCLUDED (big business lobbyists made sure of that...they need the cheap labor) is Mexico.

All Trump has to do is have that exclusion lifted and it will do exactly what he is proposing to do.

Smarten up man.

link? proof?

Bitcoins stock will go up if trump is elected.

The problem with this plan, like all Trump's plans is that it assumes the these countries have no levers or powers. He will say it is going to be this way and it will be. It also seems to ignore consequences or work arounds. I have read his statement and than a few other pundits, right and left who have simply demolished this based on it's simplicity. Simple is good, but the problem is more complex than closing a loophole via full enforcement. Mainly it doesn't really make living in the U.S. less attractive, it makes you living in the U.S. with your family in a now worse Mexico less attractive. If it was me I would than use the cash to bring my family in rather than send it there. No solution in that.


Also think about supply and demand. If there is $25 Billion dollar demand created you can be damn sure someone will figure out a way. And once again this will happen because his plans are never multi-faceted. One fix means there needs to be one work around. They do sound nice though. :thumbsup

Crickets

trump the chump

Why would legal migrants need to walk into anywhere?

This is only about stopping illegal migrants. That route can be cut off by providing a passport with an entry visa.

I 'm trying to point out how Trump comes up with ideas he hasn't thought through. Not that it needs to be pointed out.

Cracking Down on Blood Wire Money Could Hamper Mexican Cartels, Ariz. AG Testifies

Remittances - a massive transfer of wealth out of America | colorado immigration law resources reference

Check the facts.

Robbie never checks facts. He thinks he's correct and that's that.

The Trump supporters earning a low wage or unemployed have nothing to fear by Trump winning. If he stops the export of jobs, taxes imports, stops migration they're fine. Everyone else is going to find price rises on just about everything they buy.

As many of the Trump supporters here are Anti minimum wage rises. They will be very pissed off.

Because even legal immigrants have mothers, fathers, sister who still live in Mexico or Honduras.

Paul, do you have any idea what immigration processing times like in the US. Take a look

USCIS Visa Bulletin - Family Based Immigrant Visa

Right now they are processing application from 22 JAN 95 for Mexicans. Yes, 1995.

Who needs facts? Paaaalease.

$25 billion was a guess. It's mostly drug money. Imagine ordinary workers sending that much and then figure out how much they earn, then how much they contribute to the economy. Only drugs and other crimes would warrant that amount.

Robbie, please support your posts with the facts. Thank you. :):):)

So true. Long ago in the mid 90's I worked for a pretty big tech company. There was a guy that worked there who was from Mexico. He was here legally, but his mother, grandmother and some other relatives still were in Mexico trying to come here legally. He would send them part of his check every payday. He said by doing that he was able to take better financial care of them than if he had stayed in Mexico and got a job there.

He was able to come here relatively easily because he was an engineer and the company sponsored him, but getting the rest of the family here legally was going to be a long, difficult process.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Trumpf certainly got schlonged last night in Wisconsin.

you guys are ripping on Trump, but at least he is acknowledging there is a problem... other candidates are at best neutral about immigration, or even lean towards being for it...

his ideas need a bit of polishing up, but he certainly has the right idea... if you make it harder to send $$ back home, it will make it less appealing to come here in the first place...

left wing politicians on the other hand are doing the reverse, they are making it more appealing to come here... take for example minimum wage getting increased in California, that makes it more appealing to immigrate to the US...

Trump has an idea? As in "building the wall"? LOL :1orglaugh
Read some of Rubio's comments about immigration and why we have so many illegals here. Close to 50% of today's illegals had legal papers when they entered the country. But since it takes 15-20 years to process family based applications they all ran out of status and stayed here illegally. No-one addresses issue of legal immigration and its backlogs. The only thing people think of immigration is Home Depot and illegal Mexicans hanging around.

I was commenting on the idea proposed in this thread, making it harder to send $$ to Mexico... his "the wall" idea is a bit less thought out... but still like I said, it's not that his ideas are perfect, but it's more that he acknowledges there is a problem, and intends to at least try do something about it...

legal immigration and semi-illegal (illegal only because of broke immigration process) is a completely different issue, not sure why you are mixing that issue up with true illegal immigration...

So how does Rubio or Hillary feel about a typical illegal immigrant? that is, some Mexican guy hears that in CA you can earn $15/hr (many times more than you can in Mexico), figures "I'll try my luck in the US," gets here illegally, gets a job... sends most of his income back to his family in Mexico...

How does Rubio or Hillary feel about situation like that? do they agree it's a problem? what are they proposing to solve this issue?

How about using google?

Marco Rubio on Immigration

You have to revamp entire immigration system. Not work on one part and leave the other the way it is. I doesn't work that way. Encourage people to come here legally, speed up process, implement skilled worker and workers on demand program efficiency. Don't make them wait 15-20 years for papers to process. This whole "wire transfer" bullshit is as good as saying "lets close all Mexican restaurants so they don't have place to eat Then they will go back because Mexicans miss tacos".

we're at a point where i almost used Google to verify whether it's a legit Trump quote :upsidedow

lol it's like illegal immigrants even get paid min wage anyways. talk about a straw man ...

Dude you are living in fanasty land if you think even banning all wires to Mexico would do a thing.

All it would do is create a massive blackmarket for the cartels. They would set up companies like epassporte was in some other South American or Caribbean nation and boucne all wires to there then to Mexico.

Trump is a fucking moron as this is basic stuff. He knows this, but he's just feeding g you tools with BS because you don't stop for 5 mins to think about what he says.

All he would do is hand over billions to the cartels via a new blackmarket scheme.

of course there would be some work arounds, but thinking that all that would need to happen is to "bounce wires through some South American nation" is a fantasy too...

do you grasp the volume of it? it's millions of people in the US sending to millions of people in Mexico... generating 100s of millions of transactions per year... setting up and operating such an operation without getting caught would be pretty damn difficult... certainly beyond the scope of some low lives whose main expertise is drug dealing...

and I think you are mistaken about the impact... imagine Cruz comes out and says "we need to choke off the porn industry, we'll do that by banning credit card transactions on porn sites"... how do you think that would play out? Would porn industry be completely fucked? or do you think some work around like bitcoins would be realistic?

This morning on the news - I think it was CNN - they were talking about there are specific laws in the United States about sending money to and from Cuba. However, it's kind of pointless - Anyone in the US who wants to send money to Cuba just sends the money to Canada or the UK first, and then on to Cuba.

It might be possible for our government do to this, but it would be an uphill battle to pass such laws. The general public isn't going to support it. In case Trump hasn't noticed, the United States has a large and growing Hispanic population. A lot of people who are in the United States legally will want to send money to Mexico.

We have this image that all illegals came into the country by crossing the border illegally on a pack mule. This is not true, and building a fence will not stop this activity. Even if we built a wall, like you said, they will just fly to Canada and then cross that border.

But the reality of this goes much further. People make it out that illegal immigration is the cause of all of our problems, but I don't really agree with that. Illegal immigrants only make up 5% of the labor force of the United States. Also, we seem to think that ilegal immigrants are coming across the border in droves but they really aren't - illegal immigration peaked in 2007 / 2008 and has since fallen.

5 facts about illegal immigration in the U.S. | Pew Research Center

I am not saying there isn't a problem, there sure is. Illegal immigrants do take American jobs and suck up resources, but it's not the massive problem some people make it out to be.

I think that you all are lost in the forest looking at trees ...

Mexico will just say fuck you and nationalize or freeze US assets in Mexico.

This is just extortion on a grandiose scale. Maybe Trump will carry through with tariffs with China, violate the WTO, and China will just say fuck you we want to redeem the US debt instruments that the BOC holds. Oh Fuck! Now what -- refuse to pay -- remember Argentina tried that -- how did that work out.

Talk about stupid.

No matter how you try to make it sound like a good idea, it just creates a black market and puts massive amounts of money into the black market. In that area of the world the cartels would dominant that market.

It's the same fucking dumbass idea as with Republicans trying to ban abortions. It doesn't stop them, it just pushes people into back alleys and puts people's lives in danger.

Republicans are always trying to make mountains out of mole hills..

No, it is not mostly drug money. I have worked in restaurants in the southwest U.S. There is more bar-back money and busser money in the mix than drug money. :thumbsup

10 years ago WU charged arm and leg for wire transfers so every immigrant community had unlicensed money transfer businesses. They used to bust them all the time in Miami. Rodrigo comes to Pepe and hands him $1000, who calls his dad in Durango. Rodrigo's mom comes to Pepe dad's house and picks up the money. Once a month Pepe sends huge wire to daddy to pay out customers next month. And there are hundreds of Pepes out there.

there are probably hundreds of legal remittance options available right now. wu is prob just the easiest and cheapest.

this is just policy made by the drunk loudmouth idiot at the end of the bar. it is nothing serious.