they were hardly doing anything illegal, they were getting pinched for running unlicensed money transfer service, which resulted in $500 fine and nothing else...

up the ante to felony money laundering, lock some idiots up for 5 years and that biz will suddenly be a bit less appealing... :2 cents:

Are you permanently banned on Google or this is another nick that Robbie uses?

There are thousands of so called "hawalas" in here. Some owners got sentenced as much as 15 years and people still do it because its about money. Big money!
Did stiff sentences stop illegal drug distributions? I didn't think so. Lets ask our expert - brassmonkey.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawala

Here are few that made the news.

Jagdeep Singh Sidhu pleads guilty to illegal money transfers overseas


http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/04/ny...shop.html?_r=0


Bariek Sentenced for Operating a MSB without a Virginia License | MTRA - Money Transmitter Regulators Association

https://www.fincen.gov/law_enforcement/ss/html/056.html

https://www.fbi.gov/boston/press-rel...igration-fraud

It cost $9.00 to wire up to $200 to Mexico at Publix WU location. Don't bother going to customer service line on Friday.
So instead of weekly transfers Fernando is going to do it once a month from local Taco shop and pay its owner $50.00. Now you can wipe your ass with Trump's grandeur plan. Might as well close all taco shops for real.

No way in hell Trump will be President, waste of time talking about all this.

did you even check out those links?


"BOSTON?AFTAB ALI, a/k/a Aftab Ali Khan, 29, formerly of Watertown, Massachusetts, pled guilty and was sentenced today on charges of unlicensed money transmitting and immigration document fraud."

"The case against the man, Abad Elfgeeh, 51, stemmed from a broad terrorism investigation that began in December 2001 and resulted in the conviction last year of a prominent Yemeni cleric on charges that he had conspired to aid Hamas and Al Qaeda."



so, no surprise they went down.... operating unregulated money transfer in most cases is pretty much just a warning and $500 fine... there are some cases here and there, where government wanted to make an example out of them and/or the criminal did something else illegal like "immigration document fraud"... being from Middle East and sending $$ to there doesn't help either...

so he lets say collects 4x$200=$800/month from lets say only 30 clients = $24k/month

How is that money going to arrive in Mexico? He will pack it up in his car and drive there? Get involved with some cartel that will make it happen for him? Deposit the $24k cash into his account, then wire the $$ to Mexico? yea, cause transaction like that is not going to stick out like a sore thumb...

logistics of running a business like that now a days are not as simple as you make it sound... it's possible, but with a paper trail at every step, and 5+ year sentence when you get caught, he might as well be dealing coke out of that Taco joint, it would be less risky that way...

Fuck this, I'm done with you. His immigration document fraud was his fake marriage.

Does that answer your question how they do it or wiki article wasn't clear enough for you?

How about 22 million and 15 years in jail. For fuck sake, read the fucking articles.

http://memesvault.com/wp-content/upl...facepalm-3.jpg

That's the truth.

My family owned citrus groves in Florida and hired thousands of Mexican workers in the 1960's, 1970's, 1980's, and 1990's.

I can remember being at my grandfather's office in the 1970's and seeing checks go out to Mexican fruit pickers for well over a thousand dollars a week (in 1975 $1,000 would be worth $4,557.32 in 2016).

And he and my dad would tell me that they would send all of that money back home to Mexico. They only came to Florida during orange picking season.

I was in awe of it. And in 1977 I begged to go out in the groves and pick oranges. I thought I was gonna be a rich 15 year old. It was $3 a tub to pick. I almost died! LOL!
I think I made $9 in 2 days before I quit.

Mexican workers are the backbone of the agricultural industry in the U.S. and are some of the hardest working people in the world.

And its not just agricultural. I drove my kids to summer camp in Ozarks few years ago and we stopped to eat at one really small town in Missouri. All we could find is Latin food, to be exact El Salvadorian. I was like WTF? Turns out they had one of the Pilgrims Pride processing factories in town. All workers were Mexican or Salvadorian. The town itself had city hall, police, judge and utilities office in one trailer park size building. You think brassmonkey or bronko67 will go work there? Robbie? I don't think so.

Why are so many politicians weak on migration? Look to who benefits and pays politicians for the answer.

His ideas do need polishing up. They still remain wrong. Stopping illegal migration by building an expensive wall and then landing the taxpayers with the annual cost of maintaining it is stupid, no matter how much polish is used. Removing the benefits of overstaying or coming illegally works. Cost less could even be profitable and easier to police.

People hiring illegal migrants aren't bothered with things like minimum wage.

If he chooses to work in another country to improve his families life. Why should they be automatically included to join him?

If he was ability to support them 100% then a good case can be made.

Do you expect Trump supporters to research beyond the soundbite? When Trump hopes they don't and his supporters trash the media for doing so.

His Wall idea is dumb. He has to know that building a Hotel is a small part of the cost. the big part that never stops is the staff and maintenance. Assuming Mexico says no to paying for it, are you willing to pay more in taxes and prices in the shops. To build, staff and maintain the Wall?

Illigal migrant employers aren't bothered with minimum wage laws. They hire illegals to pay less than the minimum wage.

Agree about what are the others doing about it. What have the other politicians, all of them, done about it for the last 40 years and why?

If Trump wanted to come out with a sound policy, he would be looking to fine employers more. He ignored that idea.

You keep saying this.

What about his policy to spend billions more of taxpayers money on building the Armed Forces? Does that need some work around?

It's all immigration that isn't controlled on a strict points basis.

Total Hispanic Population in California Hispanics as Percent of State Population Hispanics as Percent of U.S. Hispanic Population Native-Born Hispanics (Percent of Hispanics)
How many of them are in the top 20%?

Top 20% of the population have a habit of producing offspring who will be in the top 20%. The problem is immigration of people to do low skilled and paid jobs. Staying and having children who are now finding the low skilled jobs are gone or pay very low wages and relying on the rest to subsidise them.

The economic and industrial model we're using now changed between the 70s and 80s. Automation and jobs going to the Third World dictates we need to regulate immigration to a strict needs basis. The Country receiving the migrants.

The only people who benefit are the landlords and employers.

Or China and other countries and banks stop buying US bonds.

Cracking Down on ?Blood Wire? Money Could Hamper Mexican Cartels, Ariz. AG Testifies do the research more than your working in a bar.

Calculate how much illegal Mexicans migrants would have to earn in none drug or crime jobs to have $25 billion to send home.

So at $3 a tub, that's 333 tubs in a month. 11 a day working 30. Just for picking oranges. Them is god damn expensive oranges.


Oranges 7 cents per pound California 1970 or the tubs were huge.

You go girl !!!!

I agree, the wall isn't one of his best ideas... it would never happen anyway, because of both political and practical reasons... but it shows where he stands on the immigration issue... his opponents on the other hand, say politically correct bs and try to appeal to both sides...

imagine there is no minimum wage and little or no "overhead" (i.e. mandatory health insurance)... what point would there be in hiring illegal immigrants? Why would anyone risk fines, etc and do that? by creating high minimum wage and other laws that increase your labor costs you make it worthwhile for employers to hire illegal immigrants... why pay $15/hr, when you can hire illegal immigrant for $10/hr?

It probably would be somewhat effective, but I'm not sure I like that plan... it just feels wrong to fine employers for doing what is best, hiring cheaper and more productive workers... doesn't it feel a bit lame to fine employers for hiring Jose who will pick 20 boxes of oranges for $100/day over Mike who will pick 10 boxes of oranges for $200/day? it's kinda like dangling a "forbidden fruit" in front of employers, then fining them for eating it...

Then why come up with the idea? He's setting himself up for ridicule, which isn't media bias. It's the truth.

What illegal migrant is going to the police to complain he's noty being paid the legal wage? You're setting yourself up for ridicule.

It would be far more effective and cheaper. He was asked this question and ignored it.

no it's better to employ Mike, take him off benefits and he spends his wages in the US rather than sends them back to Mexico. It's not good for the Farmer employing Mike, but that's why migration has been allowed for so long. You're setting yourself up for ridicule.

If you think hiring the cheapest worker is best. Then you have to love the model that worked in Russia, France, Cuba and other places. Until the poor picked up a gun . Americans have a lot of guns and if you think there's a point at which cutting wages to a minimum stops. You're setting yourself up for ridicule.

The best economy for everyone is where wealth is created and trickles down. Not one where wealth is created at the expense of customers income. Unless the wealthy lend the not so well off the money to buy the goods.

Then the Lenders, Banks, hold the customers balls in a vice like grip. Leaving people like Trump with no chance of pulling off any of his plans. I assume you know how the Bond Markets work.

Horseshit.
He is a populist who will do nuffins if elected. His opponent are far more realistic on immigration issue and will do nothing either.

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Paul you are so fucking stupid to keep talking about stuff you don't know anything about.
A tub of oranges is fucking HUGE and takes a machine called a "goat" to lift and dump into the bed of a semi-trailer.
Fucking idiot...

My whole point was that the Mexican people are some of the hardest working people in the world. And the ones working in fruit and vegetable harvesting make a lot of money and don't need or want any govt. assistance.
The U.S. Congress (which passed a bill to build a wall in 2006 already) and Trump are wrong about wanting to build a wall.

The ONLY real problem we have with the Mexican border is the failed "War On Drugs" that is bringing violence. It's the federal govt.'s own fault for trying to control people's lives.

If the govt. would get back to just governing and not trying to RULE over us...a lot of the "problems" they create would no longer exist.

Who are you, and what have you done to Robbie?

So if the tub is so big, how many kilos does it hold. So we can judge how many oranges they have to pack into it. I suspect your estimate was exaggerated and pointed out some maths.

So would you like the Government to stop ruling on monopolies, Net Neutrality, food content, migration, online fraud, copyright, etc? And obviously employing illegal migrants, or even just not governing who and who can't come into the US?

Governing is ruling. And it's what keeps a country together.

Agree. The problem is the people voters vote for. Both sides know that have the voters in control. That's why they get the funding. Koch Brothers and the Banks don't contribute billions on people who have no control

So if you want to see change there's only one course. Stop voting for people like Clinton, Bush, Cruz, Romney and start voting for people similar to Obama and Sanders. In all the elections.

The UK has local elections coming up soon. It's predicted UKIP will do well. They did well in the last General Election, but only won one seat, came second in a lot. In the EU elections, they did very well. This voting forced the Tories to have a renegotiation with the EU and a referendum.

Voting for the outsides scares the daylights out of the incumbents.

what's the toilet situation?

Robbie and I won't argue with you about magic join pages if you don't argue with Floridians about how oranges are harvested.

How many kilos does a tub hold? Who the fuck knows, a shit load I guess.


http://i.imgur.com/LN1QwVu.jpg




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How hard would it be to smuggle cash into Mexico? Not very.

You're an idiot. I already told you that my grandfather's and fathers business was citrus.
Once again you are arguing some stupid ass point that has nothing to do with what I was saying and you're arguing with someone who grew up in that industry.

How fucking dumb can you be?

According to some its a rocket science.

This is for moron Paul Markham...now he will know how many bathrooms that Manwin has:

"The pickers dump the fruit into plastic tubs that hold approximately 900 pounds of oranges. A special truck, called a "goat", will then come through the grove and, using a hydraulic boom, pick up the tub and dump it into the back of the goat into a special body. Most mechanically harvested fruit is harvested directly into a goat. The goat then goes outside the block of trees and the body raises up and dumps it's load of oranges into a large open tractor-trailer that holds about 45,000 pounds of oranges. A truck-tractor then hauls the trailer to the processing plant. "

Now do you think I exaggerated you fucking idiot?

Stop your inane and senseless posting. Nobody here gives a fuck about how many oranges are in a tub. That was never the point I was making or the point of this thread.

wow dope track .... nice.