Hitching yourself to former reality star Donald Trump for president has very long term implications. Him winning the GOP on the backs of low information angry voters on the right is one thing. His chances to win it all are slim. The rest of the world is shocked and appalled with him. While I am shocked people haven't sobered up in regards to him yet, they will in the general. Agreeing to be his VP is a political death wish.

I'm wondering if women really will vote for Hillary in massive numbers.

One thing I've learned is that women don't really get along all the time with other women. lol

If you don't believe me, try moving two women in with you into the same house. :)

You better be careful bro. You're gonna end up just like Rochard...failed predictions. Trump has proven you, Rochard, and every political pundit wrong every time. :pimp

Women are often vicious to other women, however, in this case I think there are a lot that will vote for her even if they won't admit it because they will feel like it is important to elect a woman president even if that woman is someone they don't like that much.

Maybe so. :)

But she lost the younger women to Bernie Sanders in the primaries. Young women didn't like her at all. She only polled well with women over 45 years old.

All the younger Democrat women voted for a 74 year old man.

I'm certain that very, very few...if any Republican women will vote for her. Maybe the 21 to 45 year old Democrat women will change their minds about her before the general election.
But all indications from the primaries (Dem voters down 30% from 2012, Republican voters up 70% from 2012) is that the energy and excitement is on the Republican side. More likely those younger Democrat women simply will stay home.

Many more Republicans overall have voted in the primaries than Democrats.
And the only excitement was Bernie Sanders...he's still only around 200 delegates behind Hillary if you count the delegates that were won by getting votes in primaries...but the Democrat Party squashed him with the SUPER delegates and now she's about to clinch the nomination because of that.

So all of their excitement (Sanders) will be gone.

We'll have Hillary in all her glory. Yelling every word the way she does when she gives speeches.
Her opponent will be a guy who has already beaten a field of 16 other contenders. Governors and Senators that he swatted down like flies it seems.

I just can't see how Hillary is going to win. She is so unlikeable and has so much horrible political baggage.

But I can't predict anything. It's just my opinion. I have yet to see ANYBODY in real life or even on the news shows that is excited about Hillary.

I've seen them excited about Bernie. And I've seen them excited about Trump. But Hillary?

Bernie supporters (like my daughter) are pissed about the DNC Super Delegate bullshit.
I think a majority of them are going to stay home.
And I think another percentage of them are going to switch to Trump.

On an NPR call-in show today...Sanders voters were asked who they are going to vote for in the general. Half of them said "Trump".

Bad news for Hillary.

There are a couple things that I think might help Hillary. I read a story on CNN the other day that said Millennials will begrudgingly vote for Hillary if she beats Bernie. That doesn't mean they will, but this one study believes they should. If that happens, she wins. The other is that she as a very low favorability rating, but there is one person running that has an even lower favorability rating and that is Trump. It literally could be an election of 'who do you hate less.'

Personally, I think Hillary will win, but I want Trump to win. I have always said that if you want to progress sometimes you have to embrace the madness. Trump is a real unknown. He could turn out to be a very good president. He might turn out to be a terrible president. Either way his being elected will shake things up and that is a good thing.

One thing for sure is every single prediction regarding trump's demise was 100% wrong. He's like Teflon man and not a single thing sticks. Never seen anyone able to combat the masses and win like him... ever. Probably a good indicator why he is a self made billionaire.

I don't think I ever made a Trump prediction. It shocks me, sure. But this is the GOP we are talking about.

He is not self made. You do not start with $40 million dollars and be self made. Sorry.

It's not about hate for Trump. If you hate yourself and the people you should definitely vote for Hillary. That way at least you are 100% sure the establishment keeps control and that you'll keep getting fucked.

He isn't self made, but still, turning $40 million into billions takes some talent and work.

I actually think this is what might make him a decent president. Being president is all about delegating and surrounding yourself with good people who give you good information then you make good decisions based on that information. Trump, I think, is clearly good at that part of business and it could help him in the White House.

That said, the negotiations part may trip him up. In business when you negotiate with someone it is likely that both parties will benefit from the deal so you negotiate in good faith. That isn't the case in politics. Often they have nothing to gain or lose personally and will make shitty decisions and bad deals simply because it speaks to the party narrative. When he has to negotiate with those types of people it could be a real challenge.

I don't know that it is a hate for Trump that causes some people to not want to vote for him, but more a fear of the unknown. With Hillary you know what you are going to get. She will likely be a mix of Obama and Bill Clinton. She has enough of a history that you can foresee what kind of president she would likely be. Trump is a wildcard. He could be great. He might be just what this country needs. He could help us get our swagger back. He could also be a catastrophe. We don't know and I think that fear drives people away.

I agree, it will be a strong win but nothing like Reagan vs Carter, his popularity among women has basically slumped according to a BBC poll 1 woman out of 5 would vote for him. It also depends if he will keep it up and insult everyone and anything also at the debates, it that case it would be a landslide.

Once again I have a feeling that the GOP know this and will replace him. :Oh crap

I think he is an incredible marketer of himself. And I mean that, his ability to project the image that he has chosen is awesome. And that image he has created has immense value, not sure about the value he assigns to it, but it is a brand that is valuable. That being said, he is 69, in 51 years (since he was 18) $40,000,000 would be $1.3 Billion dollars at market rates of return. And if you are starting with $40 million or with a more or less a guarantee of $40 million you have access to people and opportunities to make more then a 7% return. Wealth begets wealth and opportunity.

I think a more accurate assessment is that he has been able to market himself well enough to overcome his business failures and to cover his cost of living for those 51 years. Not sure if the data is available, however I would bet that most, (+50%) of people born into a rich family with a $40 million dollar inheritance could keep up with market growth rates. Taking that into account I am not sure his ability to market himself is a trait of a great president. I would take a great business man or salesman over that. :2 cents:

Ask most big lottery winners how hard it is to not only keep 10s of millions of dollars, but to parlay it into more. Ask Dan Bilzerian how hard it is to increase $60 million he got from his old man.

The assumption wealth begets wealth is not widely accurate.

But it does help a hell of a lot. They always say the first 20 million is the hardest. I wouldn't know because I haven't quite assembled the first 20 million. I will get back to you on that.

I always cringe how various kinds of "social justice warriors" blame someone that he inherited money, which supposedly negates his success. You can be the great entrepreneur but if you inherited start up money - you are nobody, in the eyes of those idiots :1orglaugh

I wonder how many of those critique slinging clowns would manage to turn that startup money into billions themselves, 1 out of 100 maybe?

I don't believe that (not that he said that, but that 30% would vote for Trump/R).
Where did he get those numbers, maybe some 5 person radio poll? :winkwink:

I mean do you really believe 30 percent of blacks will vote republican (in case of Trump being the candidate)?

The data is available and there have been many studies on it. Time and time again, second-generation loses a huge chunk, third-generation destroys the rest as well as the name.

70% of Rich Families Lose Their Wealth by the Second Generation

Donald Trump is indeed a brash, blowhard. The idea that "anyone" can take $40M and turn it into B's is bitter nonsense. If that were the case, we would have even more billionaires.

I stand mostly corrected. He did not squander the money with bad decision or at least he was able to overcome them. However anyone can turn $40 billion dollars into $1 billion with mutual funds. That part is still correct.

Donald Trump turned a 1 million dollar loan into his empire. The million dollars was handed to him on a silver platter but what he did with it was not. America needs many more business men like him instead of whiners.

I understand why you said what you did (because media told you) but aren't you sick of being lied to every single day?

To be fair lottery winners are in a different sub-set. The rich have connections, a name and are afforded the opportunity for a good education. Your typical lottery winner is not exactly set up for success. Does Dan try? His FB posts don't seem to focus much on him working much. :)

He did then receive an inheritance. He is great at marketing "Trump" he was known in NYC as a successful real estate mogul before he bought anything. That is insanely impressive, but his business track record is not really that great.

And the other $4-9B (depending on who is talking) came from where?

Nobody seems to know about the $40M either. The Don claims it was $1M, Rubio seemed to be pulling numbers out of the air with no substantiation. The Washington Post tried to figure it out, they did not get any further than Rubio.

Even if it was $40M, it would have been given out around the time his father died in 1999. 17 years at 10% (generous but the wealthy have access to better funds) is $250M. Now did he get money as gifts before that? Loans? I'm sure he did. Doesn't account for a $4-9B gap.

Call him an obnoxious, orange, blowhard all you want. Blowing off $40M (or whatever) to $5-9B as something that "anyone can do" is just silliness.

Why would you make that 40 million statement when you know that it's not true?

Some biased opinion guy tried to estimate that his father's company was worth 200 million in the early 1970's. I haven't seen ANY proof that was ever true. Would have made his father one of the richest people in the world in the world back then. Keep in mind that our money wasn't worthless in the 1970's and Howard Hughes being a billionaire was mind-blowing to people.

Trump got a one million dollar loan from his dad. He paid it back. He bought out the other 4 siblings when his dad actually turned over the old company.

Yes, he built a huge and powerful company over the decades and has the experiences of almost 50 years of navigating business on a worldwide basis.

Heh-heh....what a bunch of nonsense that Yanks_Todd turned the thread into.

Nice troll man. You hijacked the thread and turned into ANOTHER boring fight over whether or not a BILLIONAIRE businessman is competent at....business! LOL!

Oh well, it was a nice political discussion for a couple of pages. Now it's just another GFY stupid-fest...and like a dumbass I participated in the stupidity. lol

to be even more fair, your original claim was that the majority of people (50%), anyone, if given $40m would grow that into even more wealth, regardless of connections.

that's just not an accurate assumption at all.

I believe he will get more than any republican has in many years

I said I stood corrected on that above.

He values his brand at somewhere around $5B I believe.

I never said anyone. Re read the post.

I think he is a brilliant billionaire self promoter. I believe he is the Micheal Jordan of self-promoters that is not knock on the guy, however that is different from being a business man. Zuckerberg is a billion dollar business man and a shitty promoter. Does he deserve the money, absolutely. Did he earn it absolutely. Was he given a head start in which many people could have done the same. Absolutely. Not everyone, but a lot of people could do the same. My opinion.

Good prediction, OP

Van Jones is a race baiting asshole

i remember that article OP. funny how huffpost actually belches out insightful perspectives once in a while.

fact is, trumps win was predicted by the primaries. a handful of libs saw it coming. the link made the case. everybody else drank the liberal polling cool aid, & dismissed the primaries.

& looked really dumb when they said it wouldnt even be close.

:1orglaugh

I don't think rochard will be posting in this thread any time soon rofl

Zuckerberg is a billion dollar business man?! How in the fuck is facebook even worth anything?

of course not. its not in the nature of the liberal to be humble, to take responsibility, to inflect. its always the opposite...pretend you never said dumb things that are proven completely wrong by subsequent events. & keep on quacking the same bullshit, the from same bullshit sources, the same bullshit polls, as if they are still honest. obviously not.

its like dumb libs live in a comic book or something.

:1orglaugh