50 cheap mofos

Maybe, 1 in 50 domains held by a speculator ever get sold. So, a speculator may have an overall cost to maintain those 50 domain names to make one sale -- he wants to recoup his entire investment on the other 49 domains he can't sell with the sales price of that one domain he can sell?

He pulls the price out of his ass hoping some sucker will pay his price?

Domains that are part of a ongoing business are worth net profits and 'goodwill'. Business goodwill is a very intangible and a volatile value.

Undeveloped domain names only have speculative value -- what a buyer will pay here and now based on the air of speculation of some future profit to the buyer.

Don't try to apply logic to the domaining business -- there is none.

After buying and selling just a few domains, and studying the domain market to try and figure out how to price my domains for sale, I've come to the same conclusion.

Angry Black Man I guarantee that what I offered for the domain is more than you make in a month.

And my point isn't that these people don't have a right to ask whatever they want for a domain, nor that I don't understand the law of supply and demand, my point/frustration is that domain owners are hoarders for whatever psychological reasons people are hoarders.
Some people buy a stock at $50 per share, when the stock goes down to $40 they won't sell, they won't sell at $30, they'll hang onto the stock until it's worthless still holding on to an irrational belief that it will one day somehow go up to $90.

Maybe the seller just refused to sell it to you because he thought you were a whiny racist.

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Yo bud brassmonkey went in .tk business?

You were once in the Content game, so you might get this.

If you were able to shoot 20 pics of any girl with a flash mounted camera for $400. Or a set any girl 6 out of 10 for $600, or a 8 out of 10 for $3,000.

Would you shoot sets and videos of the same girl for $300? Even though the prospective buyer thought you were being stupid and sending away business?

This is where we were until 2008. Today I bitterly regret selling custom exclusive. They were all worth far more than I sold them for.

And that's how all business works. Even if it's idiots over paying for the domains. The true value is what it can be sold for, not what some can afford to pay.

Now be careful here because you could be accused of being an Angry White Man.

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i understand your situation, been there., and what you said is correct.,

i have been asked 100k+ for couple of days old domains/.

they will never learn. these are not professional ppl, these are som stupid webmasters who got hold of few domains either by luck or crazy thinking,
i have dealt with professional domain sellers., and they are always ready to let go domains for reasonable price. and not asking for billion dollars.

The domain was only a few days old which means you had every opportunity to get it for reg fee.

But you didn't think about it until it was taken and the owner thinks he's a genius to have thought about it first.
You place a smaller value on his intellectual prowess and initiative to get the domain than he does.

But intellectual prowess and initiative is what it's all about.
Everybody thought about buying sex.com after it was already bought.

It like the Wheel of Fortune :
This guy probably regrets that he didn't buy a vowel : sx.com Site Overview

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Make an offer :)

2 character domain names are real hard to get now

They took the site down http://www.sx.com/

Thing is, they probably paid a ridiculous price and are unwilling to take a loss :2 cents:

With so many extensions becoming available there's always a chance to pick up a usable domain.

I know people say .com is king and it might be right now, but it will not be that way forever.

More and more people are getting used to new extensions, millennial users don't care if it's .com or .xyz and many people use search anyway rather than typing in a url to the address bar.

They are simply playing a numbers game. If they have 5 domains worth 1k and ask 5k for each not only will they make the same amount of $ but they will have 4 domains left over. Eventually someone comes along and pays what they want for one of their domains if they have enough of them. They hold the unique name, they have the leverage.

Thanks for posting whois info, I would never know where to find it.
Were you just trying to get your word count up by posting all that?

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How would you feel about people telling you your traffic is only worth 5% instead of the normal 50%? I had 10 years of it.

This is the situation ion here. The person who wants to buy is bitching because he can't afford it. The value of a domain to him, may not match the value the seller can get alsewhere.

Online porn is terrible for people wanting others to supply at their terms and price.

The 50% base for affiliates illustrates this. Whether a site converted at 1-100 or 1-1,000 on the same traffic. Affiliates wanted 50% and up.

Sites that were poor at best cost little money to put up, offered the custom little v sites like Shap's, Met-Art, etc. It didn't matter the affiliate demanded 50%.

Same with content, design, programming, etc. It seemed no matter the quality of the product, what it was worth to the seller. The buyer thought it should be priced art what they could afford.

So many in this thread are bitching that domain sellers are making more money by not dropping his prices, to the level they can afford.

If you can only afford a Skoda, don't bitch about the prices Rolls Royce demand.

No, you have to be able to read between the lines. Obviously, you didn't ...

Paul, I think this is about domain names only for sale and not businesses for sale with the domain name.

A business has a has a tangible assets and earnings value along with an intrinsic 'goodwill' value or some marketing plan value. A domain name by itself only has intrinsic 'goodwill' value or some marketing plan value -- there is no tangible value to be gained other than the registration fee paid (and the age or character string length -- big maybe).

Paul doesn't know the difference. :2 cents:

i think all these extensions are just making .com's more valuable. i really don't think these new extensions will ever top/replace .com. sure there might be a lot of them but when they are given away at a buck a piece or charged $4000 a year for a renewal, plus the registries change up the renewal prices with notice, they are not very consumer friendly.

I disagree.

In the long term I think .com will become quaint. :2 cents:

We'll see i guess but i think the biggest mistake is allowing these new gtlds to be privately owned. they can do basically anything price wise they want. want a .rich domain? it will cost you $3000/year. Want to buy okay.game? I will cost you $1500/year and you go on forever with this. its set up to fleece people or so it seems. The registries want to be the domainers but when you've got 'premium' domains that can renew for as high as $10,000 or more per year, you'd be far better off buying a .com for $100,000 and paying 10 bucks a year to renew than $10,000 renewal for 20 years.

The market will level this out over time.

its all possible but as of now, there is basically no market. its 90% domainers buying them. pure speculation to the highest degree.

I was making the point of people demanding a price that they can afford, or a service.

The value to the seller is what determines the price. In many cases people bitch because they can't afford that price.

Everything online is a fantasy anyway...

As with most things, including domain names, the "value" is whatever someone is willing to pay for it. That's life.

It's also a question of scarcity. Everybody's entitled to believe in whatever they want to believe, but at this point, a .com domain is simply more valuable then any similar domain from the gazzillion new tld's.

There's only one, it's the standard.

What drives the prices of the new tld's up these days are mainly either corporate brand owners or internet amateurs that are pitched by experienced sales reps to get their brand with new tld's.

Or investors that want to diversify into domains that get a pitch about future value and buy for pure speculation.

Nobody of us sees in the future, but to consider any of the gazzillion new tld's more valuable than a .com is a bit far fetched.

Yep, you need all of those crappy 10 character domains, 50% of them at least in the .com gTLD, to support most of the spam crap in the 1 Billion "active" website sea of fools..com may be the king of spam. Maybe, 1,000 names made it the other 134K+ .com domains haven't done shit. Sometimes, you have to look at the big picture. The 1,000 that "made it" didn't make it because of the domain string -- they made it because they were worthy, marketed and branded.

I wonder how many .coms are not developed and held by domaineer speculators? 10%? IDK

true enough but how do you ever really know what that is? you can get offers for $100,$1000,$2000, etc and settle for that but you could be selling short and losing out down the road...or you may not. Its impossible to know.

want a .xyz domain for 2 cents? lol yeah, talk about making your product worthless..

https://pananames.com/index/xyz

On 1st of June and 2nd of June 2016 .XYZ first year registration will be only:
$ 0.02
From 3rd of June to 30th of June 2016 .XYZ first year registration will be only:
$ 0.22

Google has something neither you or I have -- $Billions of cash reserves -- they can afford to flood the .xyz registrations with cheap introductory pricing for years.


Google has registered almost 2 million names in 24 months most in the last 6? months. What is interesting is the 'attempted-adds' 13,4396,770 -- cybersquatters?

**I meant MM (millions) and not K above ^corrected : " in the other 134MM+ .com"

Google could give index value to some of those .xyz domains in a year -- a gambit? -- then what is .com really worth in SEO? The domain string may not mean squat soon. The semantics of the TLD string may. You may end up writing off a lot of .coms held in speculation all of the marginal crap anyway. I have let most of my marginal .com and other EMD domains just expire not being worth the effort and time to MAYBE get a few hundred dollars -- I would rather walk away and work on things with greater potential.

A lot of 'ifs' but stranger things have happened -- how much was the Euro worth in 1960 -- the Euro changed the whole world currency exchange foundation. The new gTLDs will disrupt the overall domain market. Maybe close to $2 billion dollars is being spent on the new gTLDs.

VeriSign Sarl operates as a subsidiary of VeriSign, Inc.
VeriSign Sarl bought 14 new registry delegations -- 12 of then foreign language names. Verisign, the registry for .com, .net , et. al, is butt-hurt over this and hedging their bets in local language domain strings. A lot of 'ifs' but stranger things have happened -- better have a plan 'B' or you may be butt-hurt too :2 cents:

google doesn't own .xyz. some guy named Daniel does. He seems to be doing well but lots of shady shit has been done for example stuffing network solutions accounts with free .xyz domains. google has no reason to favor .xyz. if you ever want to get a few bucks for your marginal .coms instead of letting them drop send me an email.

I stand corrected; I thought that was one of Google's registry front corporation's 142 applications
https://www.icann.org/sites/default/...05dec13-en.pdf
Well, that registry is selling the domains for 2 cents, for less than the cost of the ICANN fees and the operational overhead -- you cannot make up a net loss on the volume. So, why are they flooding that namespace? Doesn't make sense then.

You buy junk? I don't want to take and hour to make $50 LOL after the loss on the registration fees --recapture the domain sales for tax purposes and pay the long term capital gains taxes on $50 -- better to write it off ... It's different if the sale were for $1,000s -- that is one reason why domain prices are so ridiculously high. <the original topic.

If its junk, why did you buy it? It takes you an hour to push a domain? Anyways, whatever you think is best for you. There are a lot of new gtlds you can get for 1-2 dollars. They want to inflate the numbers so they can show "demand" to their investors. Demand is lower than expected for new gtlds at this point and a lot of companies are disappointed. Donuts, the biggest new gtld holder *was* posting renewal rates stating they would stay above 70%. When they dropped below 60% they stopped posting the rates..