Bottom line : The buyer that didn't get the domain is the one who is unhappy about it.

How much is your happiness worth?

:2 cents:

Supply and demand.

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Truth revealed :

https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...l#post20905484

You mad.

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Interesting, I am selling a house I lived in for 20 years, no emotional attachment what so ever, listed it at fair market a click above and have a contract closing on the third I hope.
I sit back and wonder if I undersold? And then I think the check clearing the bank will be way better then holding out for expected gains.
Offer the dude cash and watch your arm get ripped off!

What kind of domain are you looking for?

If a seller outprices himself all the time. He goes broke and out of the business.

However, I've met a lot or people who thought I should shoot sets for $300, that were worth $4,000 to me.

I suspect this is one of those situations.

Just because the house next door is for sale way less, doesn't really mean anything. I mean are the houses the same? Some houses are worth way more than others.

Let's take for example the phrase I LOVE YOU!

ILoveYou.com is your goal. That guy will want the big bucks.

Then there is the guy next door who has iluvu.com and then next door to him is i-love-you.com.

Sure they are all in the same neighborhood but in the end, one is clearly the kind and if you want to get it, you are going to have to shell out the big bucks.

Free.

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Ok, but what is the solution?
Tell us the method to use to determine a fair and reasonable price for a domain.

50 cheap mofos

Maybe, 1 in 50 domains held by a speculator ever get sold. So, a speculator may have an overall cost to maintain those 50 domain names to make one sale -- he wants to recoup his entire investment on the other 49 domains he can't sell with the sales price of that one domain he can sell?

He pulls the price out of his ass hoping some sucker will pay his price?

Domains that are part of a ongoing business are worth net profits and 'goodwill'. Business goodwill is a very intangible and a volatile value.

Undeveloped domain names only have speculative value -- what a buyer will pay here and now based on the air of speculation of some future profit to the buyer.

Don't try to apply logic to the domaining business -- there is none.

After buying and selling just a few domains, and studying the domain market to try and figure out how to price my domains for sale, I've come to the same conclusion.

Angry Black Man I guarantee that what I offered for the domain is more than you make in a month.

And my point isn't that these people don't have a right to ask whatever they want for a domain, nor that I don't understand the law of supply and demand, my point/frustration is that domain owners are hoarders for whatever psychological reasons people are hoarders.
Some people buy a stock at $50 per share, when the stock goes down to $40 they won't sell, they won't sell at $30, they'll hang onto the stock until it's worthless still holding on to an irrational belief that it will one day somehow go up to $90.

Maybe the seller just refused to sell it to you because he thought you were a whiny racist.

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Yo bud brassmonkey went in .tk business?

You were once in the Content game, so you might get this.

If you were able to shoot 20 pics of any girl with a flash mounted camera for $400. Or a set any girl 6 out of 10 for $600, or a 8 out of 10 for $3,000.

Would you shoot sets and videos of the same girl for $300? Even though the prospective buyer thought you were being stupid and sending away business?

This is where we were until 2008. Today I bitterly regret selling custom exclusive. They were all worth far more than I sold them for.

And that's how all business works. Even if it's idiots over paying for the domains. The true value is what it can be sold for, not what some can afford to pay.

Now be careful here because you could be accused of being an Angry White Man.

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i understand your situation, been there., and what you said is correct.,

i have been asked 100k+ for couple of days old domains/.

they will never learn. these are not professional ppl, these are som stupid webmasters who got hold of few domains either by luck or crazy thinking,
i have dealt with professional domain sellers., and they are always ready to let go domains for reasonable price. and not asking for billion dollars.

The domain was only a few days old which means you had every opportunity to get it for reg fee.

But you didn't think about it until it was taken and the owner thinks he's a genius to have thought about it first.
You place a smaller value on his intellectual prowess and initiative to get the domain than he does.

But intellectual prowess and initiative is what it's all about.
Everybody thought about buying sex.com after it was already bought.

It like the Wheel of Fortune :
This guy probably regrets that he didn't buy a vowel : sx.com Site Overview

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Make an offer :)

2 character domain names are real hard to get now

They took the site down http://www.sx.com/

Thing is, they probably paid a ridiculous price and are unwilling to take a loss :2 cents:

With so many extensions becoming available there's always a chance to pick up a usable domain.

I know people say .com is king and it might be right now, but it will not be that way forever.

More and more people are getting used to new extensions, millennial users don't care if it's .com or .xyz and many people use search anyway rather than typing in a url to the address bar.

They are simply playing a numbers game. If they have 5 domains worth 1k and ask 5k for each not only will they make the same amount of $ but they will have 4 domains left over. Eventually someone comes along and pays what they want for one of their domains if they have enough of them. They hold the unique name, they have the leverage.

Thanks for posting whois info, I would never know where to find it.
Were you just trying to get your word count up by posting all that?

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How would you feel about people telling you your traffic is only worth 5% instead of the normal 50%? I had 10 years of it.

This is the situation ion here. The person who wants to buy is bitching because he can't afford it. The value of a domain to him, may not match the value the seller can get alsewhere.

Online porn is terrible for people wanting others to supply at their terms and price.

The 50% base for affiliates illustrates this. Whether a site converted at 1-100 or 1-1,000 on the same traffic. Affiliates wanted 50% and up.

Sites that were poor at best cost little money to put up, offered the custom little v sites like Shap's, Met-Art, etc. It didn't matter the affiliate demanded 50%.

Same with content, design, programming, etc. It seemed no matter the quality of the product, what it was worth to the seller. The buyer thought it should be priced art what they could afford.

So many in this thread are bitching that domain sellers are making more money by not dropping his prices, to the level they can afford.

If you can only afford a Skoda, don't bitch about the prices Rolls Royce demand.

No, you have to be able to read between the lines. Obviously, you didn't ...

Paul, I think this is about domain names only for sale and not businesses for sale with the domain name.

A business has a has a tangible assets and earnings value along with an intrinsic 'goodwill' value or some marketing plan value. A domain name by itself only has intrinsic 'goodwill' value or some marketing plan value -- there is no tangible value to be gained other than the registration fee paid (and the age or character string length -- big maybe).

Paul doesn't know the difference. :2 cents:

i think all these extensions are just making .com's more valuable. i really don't think these new extensions will ever top/replace .com. sure there might be a lot of them but when they are given away at a buck a piece or charged $4000 a year for a renewal, plus the registries change up the renewal prices with notice, they are not very consumer friendly.

I disagree.

In the long term I think .com will become quaint. :2 cents:

We'll see i guess but i think the biggest mistake is allowing these new gtlds to be privately owned. they can do basically anything price wise they want. want a .rich domain? it will cost you $3000/year. Want to buy okay.game? I will cost you $1500/year and you go on forever with this. its set up to fleece people or so it seems. The registries want to be the domainers but when you've got 'premium' domains that can renew for as high as $10,000 or more per year, you'd be far better off buying a .com for $100,000 and paying 10 bucks a year to renew than $10,000 renewal for 20 years.

The market will level this out over time.

its all possible but as of now, there is basically no market. its 90% domainers buying them. pure speculation to the highest degree.

I was making the point of people demanding a price that they can afford, or a service.

The value to the seller is what determines the price. In many cases people bitch because they can't afford that price.

Everything online is a fantasy anyway...

As with most things, including domain names, the "value" is whatever someone is willing to pay for it. That's life.

It's also a question of scarcity. Everybody's entitled to believe in whatever they want to believe, but at this point, a .com domain is simply more valuable then any similar domain from the gazzillion new tld's.

There's only one, it's the standard.

What drives the prices of the new tld's up these days are mainly either corporate brand owners or internet amateurs that are pitched by experienced sales reps to get their brand with new tld's.

Or investors that want to diversify into domains that get a pitch about future value and buy for pure speculation.

Nobody of us sees in the future, but to consider any of the gazzillion new tld's more valuable than a .com is a bit far fetched.

Yep, you need all of those crappy 10 character domains, 50% of them at least in the .com gTLD, to support most of the spam crap in the 1 Billion "active" website sea of fools..com may be the king of spam. Maybe, 1,000 names made it the other 134K+ .com domains haven't done shit. Sometimes, you have to look at the big picture. The 1,000 that "made it" didn't make it because of the domain string -- they made it because they were worthy, marketed and branded.

I wonder how many .coms are not developed and held by domaineer speculators? 10%? IDK

true enough but how do you ever really know what that is? you can get offers for $100,$1000,$2000, etc and settle for that but you could be selling short and losing out down the road...or you may not. Its impossible to know.

want a .xyz domain for 2 cents? lol yeah, talk about making your product worthless..

https://pananames.com/index/xyz

On 1st of June and 2nd of June 2016 .XYZ first year registration will be only:
$ 0.02
From 3rd of June to 30th of June 2016 .XYZ first year registration will be only:
$ 0.22