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dyna mo 06-01-2016 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Horatio Caine (Post 20931539)
From NY Times archives


Trump Is Selling Plaza Hotel To Saudi and Asian Investors - NYTimes.com



Ahahahahahahahaahahahahaha Ahahahahahahahaahahahahaha Ahahahahahahahaahahahahaha


But lets get to Benghazi :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

you got this entirely wrong, just like your pal rochard.



A Federal bankruptcy judge yesterday approved a prepackaged bankruptcy plan for Donald J. Trump's Plaza Hotel, giving a 49 percent stake in the luxury hotel to Citibank and five other lenders. Under the plan, Mr. Trump will still be employed as chief executive but he will not be paid and will not have a role in day-to-day operations, said Matthew Feldman, a lawyer representing the Trump Organization.

The hotel was unable to meet its debt service payments and filed for bankruptcy protection on Nov. 2. Lawyers said Mr. Trump would continue to work on marketing plans for the Fifth Avenue hotel, which overlooks Central Park in midtown Manhattan. The lenders, which include the Industrial Bank of Japan, will take control of the hotel in exchange for giving more favorable terms to Mr. Trump on more than $550 million in debt on the hotel. The plan was approved by United States Bankruptcy Judge Prudence Abram.

COMPANY NEWS - TRUMP'S PLAZA HOTEL BANKRUPTCY PLAN APPROVED - NYTimes.com




ahahahahahahahah

SuckOnThis 06-01-2016 07:49 AM

Stephen Hawking: Trump appeals to the lowest common denominator.

dyna mo 06-01-2016 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 20932499)
First off, my views on Trump have NOTHING to do with politics. I've voted both ways and was gonna vote Romney or hold my nose for Rubio, then down the road Trump started resonating so I started researching him and quickly was turned off, too much corruption and ego. ON a side note, when Trump sues a comedian for calling his mother an Oranguntan in a joke, and loses, you know they don't have the temperment for POTUS.

I'll hold my nose for Hillary, Bernie is in lala land with all his freebies.

told ya hills is your gal.


:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

you're in over your head in these threads, bw.

Bladewire 06-01-2016 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 20932418)
trump settled 1 anti-trust suit that was nothing more than two interpretations of a rulein evolving puts and calls. calling it "convictions" is silly and inaccurate.

http://www.americanbar.org/content/d...thcheckdam.pdf

The DOJ won & Trump paid out $750K to avoid jail.

Also saying he cares about American jobs, while all his stuff is made in China is irritating.

When questioned publicly he could've said "I do it for profit", but lied and said "there are no factories that make these goods in the U.S."

The biggest thing is I feel he's gonna be all about big business and not give a shit about small business. Also it seems clear now it would be 4 or 8 years of random drama with him publiclyy attacking people that bruise his ego, I dunno. He's totally turned me off at this point, that could change. All politicians are corrupt, no exception.

dave90210 06-01-2016 07:59 AM

He's worth billions how much are you worth? More than 99% of the people on this planet don't have the wealth this man has. Calling him a failure makes you look like a complete moron!

Almost every billion dollar company has successes and failures theirs nothing abnormal about that


Quote:

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis (Post 20931266)
Quite an impressive list of business failures. No wonder he pays zero taxes and is afraid to release his returns.


Trump Steaks


Launched: 2007

Service rendered: Steaks

Years in business: 1

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media...ngq6a5vdct.png


GoTrump.com

Launched: 2006

Service rendered: Travel search engine

Years in business: 1

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media...lj2qdli0ar.png


Trump Airlines

Launched: 1989

Service rendered: Hourly flights between Boston, New York City, and Washington D.C.

Years in business: 4

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media...11u9pibed7.jpg


Trump Vodka

Launched: 2006

Service Rendered: Drunk

Years in business: 5

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media...edt2pqars2.jpg


Trump Mortgage

Launched: 2006

Service rendered: Residential and commercial real estate financing

Years in business: 1.5

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media...a8kuqrxxtu.png



Trump: The Game


Launched: 1989

Service rendered: Family fun

Years in business: 1

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media...cqtvecefcy.jpg


Trump Magazine

Launched: 2007

Service rendered: Entertainment for luxury-enthusiasts

Years in business: 2

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media...jctlmxelo9.jpg


Trump University

Launched: 2005

Service rendered: For-profit, non-accredited fake business degrees

Years in business: 6

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media...8oa7wxifcs.png


Trump Ice

Launched: 2004

Service rendered: Hydration

Years in business: Less than 1

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media...3fdfwxakkb.jpg


The New Jersey Generals

Owner: 1984-1985

Service rendered: Football

Years in business: 2

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media...pfem7ovp2f.jpg



Tour de Trump


Launched: 1989

Service rendered: Bike races

Years in business: 2



Trump on the Ocean

Launched: 2012

Service rendered: Restaurant/catering hall

Years in business: 0.3

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media...kv9n9ennso.jpg


The Trump Network

Launched: 2009

Service rendered: Vitamin pyramid scheme

Years in business: 2


Trumped!

Launched: 2004

Service rendered: Talk radio

Years in business: 4


Trump New Media


Almost launched: 1998

Service rendered: Video-on-demand and high-speed internet

Years in business: None


SuckOnThis 06-01-2016 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dave90210 (Post 20932556)
He's worth billions how much are you worth? More than 99% of the people on this planet don't have the wealth this man has. Calling him a failure makes you look like a complete moron!

Almost every billion dollar company has successes and failures theirs nothing abnormal about that

You believe a con man that has a 94% lie rate that he's a billionaire. A con man that brags about his success and wealth but refuses to release his tax returns. What does that say about you, your gullibility and your inability to spot a snow job?

dave90210 06-01-2016 08:33 AM

Trump Tower in NYC alone is probably worth close to 1 billion dollars! In assets his properties are worth well over a billion! Do the math retard! Do you know how much real estate is in NYC?

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis (Post 20932571)
You believe a con man that has a 94% lie rate that he's a billionaire. A con man that brags about his success and wealth but refuses to release his tax returns. What does that say about you, your gullibility and your inability to spot a snow job?


Bladewire 06-01-2016 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20932427)
a fucking quote is weird to you too. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh <- loloing my fucking ass off at you.

nevertheless, i couldn't give 1 single fuck that you can't grasp complex thought processes.

You type like you think complexically but you write less fantastically. :Kissmy

dyna mo 06-01-2016 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 20932667)
You type like you think complexically but you write less fantastically. :Kissmy

it took you this long to come up with this?

rookie.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

SuckOnThis 06-01-2016 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dave90210 (Post 20932634)
Trump Tower in NYC alone is probably worth close to 1 billion dollars! In assets his properties are worth well over a billion! Do the math retard! Do you know how much real estate is in NYC?

Wrong. Trump Tower NYC is estimated to be worth $490 million with at least $100 million owed. Do the math retard!

MakingItPay 06-01-2016 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis (Post 20932700)
Wrong. Trump Tower NYC is estimated to be worth $490 million with at least $100 million owed. Do the math retard!

$390 million in equity in one piece of real estate. Epic fail? You guys must be crushing it!!

Horatio Caine 06-01-2016 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20932526)
you got this entirely wrong, just like your pal rochard.



A Federal bankruptcy judge yesterday approved a prepackaged bankruptcy plan for Donald J. Trump's Plaza Hotel, giving a 49 percent stake in the luxury hotel to Citibank and five other lenders. Under the plan, Mr. Trump will still be employed as chief executive but he will not be paid and will not have a role in day-to-day operations, said Matthew Feldman, a lawyer representing the Trump Organization.

The hotel was unable to meet its debt service payments and filed for bankruptcy protection on Nov. 2. Lawyers said Mr. Trump would continue to work on marketing plans for the Fifth Avenue hotel, which overlooks Central Park in midtown Manhattan. The lenders, which include the Industrial Bank of Japan, will take control of the hotel in exchange for giving more favorable terms to Mr. Trump on more than $550 million in debt on the hotel. The plan was approved by United States Bankruptcy Judge Prudence Abram.

COMPANY NEWS - TRUMP'S PLAZA HOTEL BANKRUPTCY PLAN APPROVED - NYTimes.com




ahahahahahahahah


So let me get this straight. You went to exact same source, found castrated version of very same article "for dummies" thus proving me, pal rochard and NY Times wrong? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
I'm no graduate of Trum's University but let take a look.
Here's quick summary
Trump NY Plaza | Trump Plaza Hotel

Long version for those who can read:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/17/bu...house-bid.html

8. The Plaza lost $74 million the first year into Trump’s ownership.
9. In the meantime, Trump racked up some $900 million of debt by personally guaranteeing building loans.
10. Trump signed over nearly all of his properties, including the Plaza, his yacht and his jet, in exchange for more favorable terms on his personal guarantees.


ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

So he lost equity, control of plaza and more equity.. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
Great Success

Under terms of an agreement reached late in 1992, that consortium agreed to forgive overdue interest payments on some $300 million in loans in return for a 49 percent stake in the Plaza.

So he sold 49% of plaza for "interest payments" on 300 mil loans. INTEREST PAYMENTS !!!!!!

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploa...rdan-laugh.gif

SuckOnThis 06-01-2016 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MakingItPay (Post 20932889)
$390 million in equity in one piece of real estate. Epic fail? You guys must be crushing it!!

Yea, Trumps largest asset. $390 million = $12 billion according to Trumpanzee math. :1orglaugh

Why did he just borrow $100 million against it a few years ago if he's worth billions?

Gullible fucks.

Rumor has it that he had to borrow a million from his sister for the vet donation he promised 5 months ago.

woj 06-01-2016 10:27 AM

who gives a shit if he is worth $390M or $3.9B or $39B? what difference does it make?

at least you could say he earned it, unlike some of his opponents who collect $100s of millions in bribes, err, I mean speaking fees, for a living...

MakingItPay 06-01-2016 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis (Post 20932919)
Yea, Trumps largest asset. $390 million = $12 billion according to Trumpanzee math. :1orglaugh

Why did he just borrow $100 million against it a few years ago if he's worth billions?

Gullible fucks.

Rumor has it that he had to borrow a million from his sister for the vet donation he promised 5 months ago.

Is your point he is broke? Hillary or Bernie are a better business choice?

blackmonsters 06-01-2016 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by woj (Post 20932937)
who gives a shit if he is worth 390M or 3.9B or 39B? what difference does it make?

Well they can't argue that Trump makes any fucking sense(cents) so they talk about him making dollars.

:1orglaugh

dyna mo 06-01-2016 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Horatio Caine (Post 20932901)
So let me get this straight. You went to exact same source, found castrated version of very same article "for dummies" thus proving me, pal rochard and NY Times wrong? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
I'm no graduate of Trum's University but let take a look.
Here's quick summary
Trump NY Plaza | Trump Plaza Hotel

Long version for those who can read:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/17/bu...house-bid.html

8. The Plaza lost $74 million the first year into Trump?s ownership.
9. In the meantime, Trump racked up some $900 million of debt by personally guaranteeing building loans.
10. Trump signed over nearly all of his properties, including the Plaza, his yacht and his jet, in exchange for more favorable terms on his personal guarantees.


ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

So he lost equity, control of plaza and more equity.. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
Great Success

Under terms of an agreement reached late in 1992, that consortium agreed to forgive overdue interest payments on some $300 million in loans in return for a 49 percent stake in the Plaza.

So he sold 49% of plaza for "interest payments" on 300 mil loans. INTEREST PAYMENTS !!!!!!

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploa...rdan-laugh.gif


you're not at all up to speed on the story/events of it. you cherry pick bits and then point to those out of context. like rochard does.

nevertheless, my post to rochard again was: no. the plaza did not sell for $350 million a little while later.

i didn't get into whether or not the plaza hotel was a good investment, it wasn't, and even Trump acknowledged that in the full page nyt piece he wrote right after buying it.


i'm right, as per always.



and the ahahahahahahahahahahahahah is my signature line.


so


ahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

dyna mo 06-01-2016 10:34 AM

ahahahahahahahahahahah

SuckOnThis 06-01-2016 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by woj (Post 20932937)
who gives a shit if he is worth 390M or 3.9B or 39B? what difference does it make?

at least you could say he earned it, unlike some of his opponents who collect 100s of millions in bribes, err, I mean speaking fees, for a living...

He earned it, that's hilarious.

How much of the $200 million his daddy left him was earned?

Conning old ladies out of their last cent is apparently admirable in your book and considered 'earning it'.

And the Trumpanzees are convinced he's a multi billionaire because the guy that has been proven to lie 94% of the time says so. :1orglaugh

dyna mo 06-01-2016 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis (Post 20932970)
Conning old ladies out of their last cent is apparently admirable in your book.

And the Trumpanzees are convinced he's a multi billionaire because the guy that has been proven to lie 94% of the time says so. :1orglaugh

actually, he submitted his personal financial statement to the government in order to run for POTUS. it's my understanding it's against the law to lie in that document.

Bladewire 06-01-2016 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MakingItPay (Post 20932523)
When you read Trump's books you understand his lawsuit against Bill Maher. His Philosophy is when someone tries to hurt you, you go after them with everything. It makes other people know not to go after you. He knew he wouldn't win a case against a comedian for a joke, but he wanted him to think twice next time he wanted to attack him. Ask Rosie O'donell if you should shoot your mouth off about a billionaire. I like the concept. And if you don't like corruption, you really need to hold your nose hard for Hillary. Bernie isn't going to win, it is already fixed for her. Corruption.

A comedians joke isn't someone "going after you", this shows how thin skinned Trump is and that he doesn't have the temperament for POTUS. Using a rifle to kill the fly on your face you shoot yourself in the head.

SuckOnThis 06-01-2016 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20932985)
actually, he submitted his personal financial statement to the government in order to run for POTUS. it's my understanding it's against the law to lie in that document.


We are seeing how Trump cares about following the law.

We are also seeing why he is afraid to release his returns.

MakingItPay 06-01-2016 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 20932997)
A comedians joke isn't someone "going after you", this shows how thin skinned Trump is and that he doesn't have the temperament for POTUS. Using a rifle to kill the fly on your face you shoot yourself in the head.

A comedian saying your mother had sex with an orangutan to create you is going after you. I loved that he sued his smug ass. If someone makes a derogatory joke about you, I would say that is going after you. He hates Trump, so his jokes express that hate. He has a huge following, so Trump made him pay a price. That's his technique. It works.

MakingItPay 06-01-2016 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis (Post 20932970)
He earned it, that's hilarious.

How much of the $200 million his daddy left him was earned?

Conning old ladies out of their last cent is apparently admirable in your book and considered 'earning it'.

And the Trumpanzees are convinced he's a multi billionaire because the guy that has been proven to lie 94% of the time says so. :1orglaugh

With the people running we can't be arguing that Trump is a business failure, while Bernie (never had a job) and Hillary uses a charity to enrich herself are the right choice for business leadership for the country. If we are, then you win.

Horatio Caine 06-01-2016 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20932955)
you're not at all up to speed on the story/events of it. you cherry pick bits and then point to those out of context. like rochard does.

nevertheless, my post to rochard again was: no. the plaza did not sell for $350 million a little while later.

i didn't get into whether or not the plaza hotel was a good investment, it wasn't, and even Trump acknowledged that in the full page nyt piece he wrote right after buying it.


i'm right, as per always.



and the ahahahahahahahahahahahahah is my signature line.


so


ahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Now class, someone is not paying attention again :1orglaugh Those aren't bits and pieces. dear, its called quotes from much detailed articles you refuse to read.

You see the total value (!!!! now pay attention) was 325 mil. Thats what Abdul and Pu Yi got it for in 1992.. So thats little while after Trum bought it, pawn it, lost equity and everything else with it.
Lets quote NYT again and lets pay attention:

Quote:

The buyers said yesterday that the deal put a total value of $325 million on the landmark hotel at 59th Street and Fifth Avenue near Central Park.

In essence, the buyers are taking over the Plaza by assuming most of its debts. None of the money from the deal will go to Mr. Trump, who acquired the hotel for about $400 million in 1988.

Now what it sold after little while is irrelevant to Donny since he had no control or say in it and real owners poured millions in to it restructuring debt and every other obligation Trump generously passed on.

Now in 2004 (that would be a while while after a little while) for 675 million. But that has nothing to do with Donny. Just like if you foreclose on your house, sell it Abdul and 10 years later Abdul sells it to someone else. ... Right???? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh You see, that wasn't that hard, right?

Barry-xlovecam 06-01-2016 11:46 AM

There must be a reason why so many people hate Donald J. Trump. :1orglaugh

Hatred or Respect is earned :2 cents:

If you hate all successful people or hate all losers -- you are the one with a problem :2 cents:

Rochard 06-01-2016 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 20932235)
thats not even close to what happened.

It's not what happened?

From Wikipedia:

During his undergraduate study, one of Trump's first projects had been the revitalization of the foreclosed Swifton Village apartment complex in Cincinnati, Ohio, which his father had purchased for $5.7 million in 1962.

His father bought a apartment complex for $5.7 million. Then they invested yet more of Daddy's money into it. This was one project. This doesn't include the Broadway production he was into, no less the other properties they bought in and around NYC.

If it wasn't for his parent's money, Trump would have been a hot dog vendor in NYC.

baddog 06-01-2016 11:56 AM

http://i.imgur.com/Hmp65Rt.jpg

Rochard 06-01-2016 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Horatio Caine (Post 20932901)
So let me get this straight. You went to exact same source, found castrated version of very same article "for dummies" thus proving me, pal rochard and NY Times wrong? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
I'm no graduate of Trum's University but let take a look.
Here's quick summary
Trump NY Plaza | Trump Plaza Hotel

Long version for those who can read:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/17/bu...house-bid.html

8. The Plaza lost $74 million the first year into Trump?s ownership.
9. In the meantime, Trump racked up some $900 million of debt by personally guaranteeing building loans.
10. Trump signed over nearly all of his properties, including the Plaza, his yacht and his jet, in exchange for more favorable terms on his personal guarantees.


ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

So he lost equity, control of plaza and more equity.. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
Great Success

Under terms of an agreement reached late in 1992, that consortium agreed to forgive overdue interest payments on some $300 million in loans in return for a 49 percent stake in the Plaza.

So he sold 49% of plaza for "interest payments" on 300 mil loans. INTEREST PAYMENTS !!!!!!

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploa...rdan-laugh.gif

And we want to put Trump in charge of our tax dollars? LOL.

Rochard 06-01-2016 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 20932538)
The DOJ won & Trump paid out $750K to avoid jail.

Also saying he cares about American jobs, while all his stuff is made in China is irritating.

When questioned publicly he could've said "I do it for profit", but lied and said "there are no factories that make these goods in the U.S."

The biggest thing is I feel he's gonna be all about big business and not give a shit about small business. Also it seems clear now it would be 4 or 8 years of random drama with him publiclyy attacking people that bruise his ego, I dunno. He's totally turned me off at this point, that could change. All politicians are corrupt, no exception.

So Trump was found guilty in a court of law?

Why is it Trump calls Hillary "crooked" when the only one who has ever been charged and found guilty of a crime is... Trump?

baddog 06-01-2016 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20933210)
And we want to put Trump in charge of our tax dollars? LOL.

Is that what the president does? The U.S. Constitution designates the "power of the purse" as a function of Congress.

dyna mo 06-01-2016 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Horatio Caine (Post 20933162)
Now class, someone is not paying attention again :1orglaugh Those aren't bits and pieces. dear, its called quotes from much detailed articles you refuse to read.

You see the total value (!!!! now pay attention) was 325 mil. Thats what Abdul and Pu Yi got it for in 1992.. So thats little while after Trum bought it, pawn it, lost equity and everything else with it.
Lets quote NYT again and lets pay attention:




Now what it sold after little while is irrelevant to Donny since he had no control or say in it and real owners poured millions in to it restructuring debt and every other obligation Trump generously passed on.

Now in 2004 (that would be a while while after a little while) for 675 million. But that has nothing to do with Donny. Just like if you foreclose on your house, sell it Abdul and 10 years later Abdul sells it to someone else. ... Right???? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh You see, that wasn't that hard, right?

it's quite clear who is not paying attention, i'll refresh your memory::


Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20931350)
The Trump Plaza Hotel in NYC is still open.

Trump bought it for $400 million, and put in $50 million in renovations. A short time later it sold for $325 million.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20931362)
no. it sold later for $675 million.

i'll also add:

"Under terms of an agreement reached late in 1992, that consortium agreed to forgive overdue interest payments on some $300 million in loans in return for a 49 percent stake in the Plaza.

"There will be four partners," said Abraham Wallach, a spokesman for Mr. Trump. "The banks, primarily Citibank, who will get a preferred return on their equity; Prince Walid; CDL Hotels and Mr. Trump."

you might not understand how Trump's lack of equity in the property played into the deal structure, that would be why you are confused.



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12clicks 06-01-2016 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 20932538)
The DOJ won & Trump paid out $750K to avoid jail.

there was no chance of jail time. stop lying.


and now you're admitting to a single instance instead of your previous lie.

Seriously......

dyna mo 06-01-2016 12:19 PM

"Regardless of his financial troubles, Mr. Trump and his organization have run the Plaza quite well, said Thomas McConnell, a hotel expert with the accounting firm of Arthur Andersen & Company.

Before Mr. Trump acquired the Plaza, "it was more a three-star," Mr. McConnell said, "and he kicked it up to a four-star."

The Plaza has had a consistent occupancy percentage in the high 70's or low 80's, which exceeds the city average, Mr. McConnell said."


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dyna mo 06-01-2016 12:20 PM

"Mr. Trump currently owns 51 percent of the Plaza. The rest is owned by the banks, which obtained their interest from Mr. Trump three years ago in exchange for a substantial reduction in his bank debt. Mr. Wallach said those involved hoped to complete the deal by summer.

Mr. Trump bought the Plaza during the real estate boom of the 1980's, using borrowed money. Additional debt was piled on the property over the next couple of years as he leveraged the landmark to buy the Eastern Airlines shuttle and to help pay the construction cost of his Taj Mahal casino in Atlantic City.

By 1992, the weight of the recession that hit New York City after the stock market crash in 1987 and the collapse in real estate prices had taken a heavy toll on Mr. Trump's finances. Negotiations began to rework some $560 million in debt.

After the Citibank consortium agreed to forgive the past interest payments on debt, Mr. Trump still retained the 51 percent interest on paper, but since he had no equity in the hotel -- having put up no cash when he bought it -- the banks effectively owned the property. The banks have been trying to find a buyer for the last three years."





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12clicks 06-01-2016 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20933225)
So Trump was found guilty in a court of law?

Why is it Trump calls Hillary "crooked" when the only one who has ever been charged and found guilty of a crime is... Trump?

perhaps because amongst the intelligent, we know what he was doing with puts and calls was perfectly legal until the ftc came in and claimed it wasn't and wanted money.
What hillary did with the clinton foundation would have landed every republican in prison.

the bottom will continue to root for their team and pretend she's not a criminal until the end.

Horatio Caine 06-01-2016 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20933249)
it's quite clear who is not paying attention, i'll refresh your memory::





i'll also add:

"Under terms of an agreement reached late in 1992, that consortium agreed to forgive overdue interest payments on some $300 million in loans in return for a 49 percent stake in the Plaza.

"There will be four partners," said Abraham Wallach, a spokesman for Mr. Trump. "The banks, primarily Citibank, who will get a preferred return on their equity; Prince Walid; CDL Hotels and Mr. Trump."

you might not understand how Trump's lack of equity in the property played into the deal structure, that would be why you are confused.



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Perhaps you are confused between "overdue interest payments" and "principal payments".
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
Lenders wrote off his INTEREST payments, not payments. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Hotel was sold at loss no matter how you look at it. After a while. Not in 2004 when smarter and more successful asian people sold it. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Horatio Caine 06-01-2016 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20933300)
After the Citibank consortium agreed to forgive the past interest payments on debt, Mr. Trump still retained the 51 percent interest on paper, but since he had no equity in the hotel -- having put up no cash when he bought it -- the banks effectively owned the property. The banks have been trying to find a buyer for the last three years."

ahahahahahahahahahahahaha :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh


Thats like brassmonkey buying purple SUV with zero percent down at easy 21% APR and selling it 6 month later for 49% of deflated value. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Children, you are dismissed. Last day of school is over.

Horatio Caine 06-01-2016 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 20933204)

I saw Trump Ice and stopped reading. Success?

dyna mo 06-01-2016 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Horatio Caine (Post 20933480)
Perhaps you are confused between "overdue interest payments" and "principal payments".
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
Lenders wrote off his INTEREST payments, not payments. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Hotel was sold at loss no matter how you look at it. After a while. Not in 2004 when smarter and more successful asian people sold it. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

none of this has anything to do with this and none of it proves me wrong.

the hotel did not sell for $350 million, Trump retained a 51% interest in the building under the partnership.

i stated it sold later for $625m.


you should let rochard fight his own battles about his wild anti-Trump claims.

dyna mo 06-01-2016 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Horatio Caine (Post 20933486)
ahahahahahahahahahahahaha :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh


Thats like brassmonkey buying purple SUV with zero percent down at easy 21% APR and selling it 6 month later for 49% of deflated value. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Children, you are dismissed. Last day of school is over.

you don't understand that rule #1 in business is to use other people's money? and you're in here acting like a wharton prof while scrambling to defend rochard's wrong statement?

this is a lol riot! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Rochard 06-01-2016 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 20933309)
perhaps because amongst the intelligent, we know what he was doing with puts and calls was perfectly legal until the ftc came in and claimed it wasn't and wanted money.
What hillary did with the clinton foundation would have landed every republican in prison.

the bottom will continue to root for their team and pretend she's not a criminal until the end.

I love this.

So Hillary, who has never been convicted of anything is "crooked". But Trump being dragged into court, being found guilty god only knows how many times, barely avoiding jail time, is perfectly acceptable because he is a businessman?

What kind of logic is this? I want whatever it is you are drinking.

Rochard 06-01-2016 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 20933243)
Is that what the president does? The U.S. Constitution designates the "power of the purse" as a function of Congress.

As a matter of fact... Yes. That is what the President does. That is EXACTLY what the President does.

WASHINGTON ? President Obama signed a huge tax and spending package into law on Friday following congressional votes that avoided a year-end showdown over the budget and ended legislative business until lawmakers return in 2016.

President Obama signs massive spending bill, tax measures into law

So let me ask you again.... You want to put Trump in charge of this?

Horatio Caine 06-01-2016 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20933510)
none of this has anything to do with this and none of it proves me wrong.

the hotel did not sell for $350 million, Trump retained a 51% interest in the building under the partnership.

i stated it sold later for $625m.


you should let rochard fight his own battles about his wild anti-Trump claims.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

You see, this is how kids fail and repeat the 4th grade
Its $325 million silly, not $350.

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deal put a total value of $325 million
- NYTimes not Rochard

1988 --------1992---------------------------------------------2004
407mil-------325mil-------------------------------------------625 mil

You see, I drew it for you :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

That very first ------ is after while .. The ------------------------------------- is "much after a while" when Adbul and Ling Ling Dong sold it.

Donny retained nothing but negative numbers called liabilities... over 500 million as matter of fact. His "debt was not written off", his "late interest payments" were. The only thing he had in that hotel after "little while" sale of 1992 is the negative numbers in red color. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Horatio Caine 06-01-2016 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20933531)
you don't understand that rule #1 in business is to use other people's money? and you're in here acting like a wharton prof while scrambling to defend rochard's wrong statement?

this is a lol riot! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

No, Im saying that when you buy property for $407 million on borrowed money and sell it for $325 4 years later and managed to accrue $500 million worth of debt is not a good deal. I can care less what Rochard says. I think its very bad deal. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

And no, using other peoples money is NOT #1 rule of business.

Rochard 06-01-2016 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 20933204)

Okay, so.... I look at this list and the first one is.... Sentient Jets.

Never heard of it. I'm trying to find a connection from Sentient Jets to Trump and.... I'm coming up empty.

I did find this:

The Trump Organization, the global leader in real estate development, property management and luxury hospitality, announced an official partnership with Sentient Flight Group, the nation's leading private aviation company.

Through this powerful partnership, The Trump Organization, its patrons and residents of its properties will have special access to Sentient's full-service private aviation offerings. This affiliation will provide Trump clients the highest level of service and luxury available in private aviation. With a family of flexible product offerings and a deep commitment to service and safety, Sentient has a unique ability to meet any private travel need. The program for Trump clients will include the convenience to fly "one-off" trips to and from Trump locations, as well as preferred access to join the Sentient Jet Membership Program. Sentient Members will also receive special benefits at Trump properties. The alliance will create a unique travel experience for both Sentient and Trump clients.

So this isn't a Trump business, it's not run by Trump.... It's a partnership where Trump clients will have "special access" to the planes Sentient Jets owns, and Sentient Jets clients will have "special benefits" at Trump properties.

This isn't a Trump success story. It's a business that isn't owned by Trump.

dyna mo 06-01-2016 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Horatio Caine (Post 20933636)
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

You see, this is how kids fail and repeat the 4th grade
Its $325 million silly, not $350.

- NYTimes not Rochard

1988 --------1992---------------------------------------------2004
407mil-------325mil-------------------------------------------625 mil

You see, I drew it for you :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

That very first ------ is after while .. The ------------------------------------- is "much after a while" when Adbul and Ling Ling Dong sold it.

Donny retained nothing but negative numbers called liabilities... over 500 million as matter of fact. His "debt was not written off", his "late interest payments" were. The only thing he had in that hotel after "little while" sale of 1992 is the negative numbers in red color. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

jtfc, now you're nitpicking that i didn't recollect the exact amount rochard was wrong about.

you put a lot into this post btw, rochard's stoked you're covering for him. :1orglaugh

dyna mo 06-01-2016 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Horatio Caine (Post 20933654)
No, Im saying that when you buy property for $407 million on borrowed money and sell it for $325 4 years later and managed to accrue $500 million worth of debt is not a good deal. I can care less what Rochard says. I think its very bad deal. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

And no, using other peoples money is NOT #1 rule of business.

yeah right, investing personal savings in a business is rule #1.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh is that another rochard business mantra you're defending?

12clicks 06-01-2016 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20933558)
I love this.

So Hillary, who has never been convicted of anything is "crooked". But Trump being dragged into court, being found guilty god only knows how many times, barely avoiding jail time, is perfectly acceptable because he is a businessman?

What kind of logic is this? I want whatever it is you are drinking.

Why do our very least intelligent keep parroting phrases that a simple google search proves wrong?

He's never been found guilty, he was never at risk for jail time.

Hillary's unintelligent base will say anything, it appears

Horatio Caine 06-01-2016 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20933684)
yeah right, investing personal savings in a business is rule #1.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh is that another rochard business mantra you're defending?

Lets ask Warren Buffett or George Soros :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Once again ypu are confused. Its called "disposable income" not savings.

29 Warren Buffett Quotes on Investing & Life | Rule #1 Investing

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