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SuckOnThis 06-06-2016 10:00 AM

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Bladewire 06-06-2016 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20943299)
This morning I was reading articles saying Trump might be charged with RICO violations...

Great find! Interesting.

The facts so far that show this is entirely feesible:

1) 10/2014 Supreme Court Judge Kern rules that Trump was so personally involved in running the operation that the corporate vail is pierced and Trump is personally liable for any case involving Trump U.

2) In 2005 the New York Department of Education warned Trump that using the term University with his operation was illegal and misleading, and to cease & desist, for 5 years Trump continued to receive warnings but still use the term until being sued by the attorney general, and losing in 2010.

3) Under deposition Trump stated that everything he knew about real estate was in his published books, nothing different in the Trump U seminars.

4) Playbooks for Trump U were submitted as evidence and they give step by step instructions to the employees on how to stall law enforcement and manipulate their investigations, if they were to investigate.

5) Trump U playbook goes into extreme detail on how to juice prospects for more and more money to take more seminars, for tens of thousands of dollars, that teach nothing you couldn't learn from his books.

So Trump was warned he was breaking the law, continues to do so, is sued by the AG, loses, changes the company name, instructs Trump U franchises across the country on how to stall/manipulate law enforcement/state ivestigators, and still continues to run the operation. RICO?

"RICO stands for the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (18 U.S.C. § 1961), a law that increases the severity of penalties for crimes performed in conjunction with organized crime."

Far-L 06-06-2016 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20942240)
I sensously doubt Trump is Far-L's guy.

The only good thing I could possibly see to Trump being prez would be selling "tribute" photos of his wife/wives.

When life gives you lemons... make daiquiris, get super drunk, and watch the whole damn place go up in flames while you whistle Garryowan.



woj 06-06-2016 11:49 AM

it's comical watching you guys call Trump U a scam/fraud/etc... if he had an affil program that paid 20%... everyone here would signup and magically the students that paid $30k for seminars/consulting would no longer be called "victims", but would be described as "whales"... :error :1orglaugh

Bladewire 06-06-2016 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by woj (Post 20943632)
it's comical watching you guys call Trump U a scam/fraud/etc... if he had an affil program that paid 20%... everyone here would signup and magically the students that paid $30k for seminars/consulting would no longer be called "victims", but would be described as "whales"... :error :1orglaugh

Not everyone thanks

Rochard 06-06-2016 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 20943404)
Great find! Interesting.

The facts so far that show this is entirely feesible:

1) 10/2014 Supreme Court Judge Kern rules that Trump was so personally involved in running the operation that the corporate vail is pierced and Trump is personally liable for any case involving Trump U.

2) In 2005 the New York Department of Education warned Trump that using the term University with his operation was illegal and misleading, and to cease & desist, for 5 years Trump continued to receive warnings but still use the term until being sued by the attorney general, and losing in 2010.

3) Under deposition Trump stated that everything he knew about real estate was in his published books, nothing different in the Trump U seminars.

4) Playbooks for Trump U were submitted as evidence and they give step by step instructions to the employees on how to stall law enforcement and manipulate their investigations, if they were to investigate.

5) Trump U playbook goes into extreme detail on how to juice prospects for more and more money to take more seminars, for tens of thousands of dollars, that teach nothing you couldn't learn from his books.

So Trump was warned he was breaking the law, continues to do so, is sued by the AG, loses, changes the company name, instructs Trump U franchises across the country on how to stall/manipulate law enforcement/state ivestigators, and still continues to run the operation. RICO?

"RICO stands for the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (18 U.S.C. § 1961), a law that increases the severity of penalties for crimes performed in conjunction with organized crime."

This is gonna be bad.

Tubthumper 06-06-2016 12:03 PM

Too many anti-Trump phaggots on GFY.

Rochard 06-06-2016 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by woj (Post 20943632)
it's comical watching you guys call Trump U a scam/fraud/etc... if he had an affil program that paid 20%... everyone here would signup and magically the students that paid $30k for seminars/consulting would no longer be called "victims", but would be described as "whales"... :error :1orglaugh

I disagree. All of us have had programs that converted well, but you got complaints from members saying it was a rip off or not worth it. When that happens, you pull links.

Rochard 06-06-2016 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 20943404)

So Trump was warned he was breaking the law, continues to do so, is sued by the AG, loses, changes the company name, instructs Trump U franchises across the country on how to stall/manipulate law enforcement/state ivestigators, and still continues to run the operation. RICO?

"RICO stands for the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (18 U.S.C. § 1961), a law that increases the severity of penalties for crimes performed in conjunction with organized crime."

RICO was meant to take on the Mafia - and make sure they stay in prison for a long time.

The best part is Trump University gave specific instructions on what to do if the attorney general came around asking questions. What kind of company has to give it's employees instructions on how to handle law enforcement, the FBI, or the Attorney General?

Yet Trump is walking around claiming Hillary is crooked. LOL.

woj 06-06-2016 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20943680)
I disagree. All of us have had programs that converted well, but you got complaints from members saying it was a rip off or not worth it. When that happens, you pull links.

says the guy that used to work for an adult dating company? a type of business that isn't exactly known for honest practices? :helpme

I don't blame you, we all have kids to feed, and I'm sure you had nothing to do with any shadiness if there was any, but don't kid yourself, if you could put up Trump U links on your site, and collect few thousand per day, you would do it... especially considering Trump U ran a 10x more honest operation than most adult dating sites... :2 cents:

dyna mo 06-06-2016 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20943698)

Yet Trump is walking around claiming Hillary is crooked. LOL.

hillary is crooked. Trump has nothing to do with that.

Bladewire 06-06-2016 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20943758)
hillary is crooked. Trump has nothing to do with that.

Has she ever lost a lawsuit or been convicted of a crime?

dyna mo 06-06-2016 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 20943767)
Has she ever lost a lawsuit or been convicted of a crime?

you're one of the smarter GFYers. i know for a fact you can grasp how politicians can be crooked and yet not been convicted.

Jigster715 06-06-2016 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 20943767)
Has she ever lost a lawsuit or been convicted of a crime?

Not yet...but its probably coming.



https://youtu.be/r7e6gLht6OQ

flashfire 06-06-2016 01:35 PM

no matter who wins the election (its Hillary FYI spoiler alert)

the butt-hurt is gonna be awesome!

Bladewire 06-06-2016 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20943776)
you're one of the smarter GFYers. i know for a fact you can grasp how politicians can be crooked and yet not been convicted.

Like I've said before, Trumps offensive strategy is to put the opposition on the defensive by labeling them with your own weaknesses. When they hit back, its reactionary and is less likely to stick. Politics sucks and way too many variables all around to even know if the GOP will stick with Trump after the RICO ruling that comes the day before the convention.

Rochard 06-06-2016 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by woj (Post 20943752)
... but don't kid yourself, if you could put up Trump U links on your site, and collect few thousand per day, you would do it... especially considering Trump U ran a 10x more honest operation than most adult dating sites... :2 cents:

No, I wouldn't. And I've pulled links when I believe a company is shady.

You have some warped image of the adult industry.

We had a leak in one of our bathrooms and it cost thousands of dollars to fix. I think plumbers are shady.

woj 06-06-2016 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20944184)
No, I wouldn't. And I've pulled links when I believe a company is shady.

You have some warped image of the adult industry.

We had a leak in one of our bathrooms and it cost thousands of dollars to fix. I think plumbers are shady.

except maybe aggressive salesmanship, which is far from a "scam", I don't see anything shady about Trump U... which part do you consider shady? that he was selling a dream that only perhaps 10% will achieve? How is it his fault that 90% don't have what it takes to be RE investors? Shady because there were upsells? that's common practice in many businesses...

where exactly was the scam?

pimpmaster9000 06-06-2016 05:59 PM

Trump was so broke he went WSO with trump U har har har!

crockett 06-06-2016 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20943758)
hillary is crooked. Trump has nothing to do with that.

..and of course the judge is a Mexican hater.

crockett 06-06-2016 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by woj (Post 20944199)
except maybe aggressive salesmanship, which is far from a "scam", I don't see anything shady about Trump U... which part do you consider shady? that he was selling a dream that only perhaps 10% will achieve? How is it his fault that 90% don't have what it takes to be RE investors? Shady because there were upsells? that's common practice in many businesses...

where exactly was the scam?

Yes, I'm with you, obviously a company that was forced out of Texas due to fraud is totally legit!!

woj 06-06-2016 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20944229)
Yes, I'm with you, obviously a company that was forced out of Texas due to fraud is totally legit!!

thanks for clearing things up... so you don't know where the scam is yourself? you are just assuming it must be a scam because you read on some news site that they were "forced out of Texas"?

crockett 06-06-2016 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by woj (Post 20944235)
thanks for clearing things up... so you don't know where the scam is yourself? you are just assuming it must be a scam because you read on some news site that they were "forced out of Texas"?

Yes, obviously Trump is just a victim here. Damn those Mexican haters. I bet it was Hillary that put them up to it..

Horatio Caine 06-06-2016 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by woj (Post 20944199)
except maybe aggressive salesmanship, which is far from a "scam", I don't see anything shady about Trump U... which part do you consider shady? that he was selling a dream that only perhaps 10% will achieve? How is it his fault that 90% don't have what it takes to be RE investors? Shady because there were upsells? that's common practice in many businesses...

where exactly was the scam?

aggressive salesmanship my ass :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh They had manuals specifically instructing how to target elderly people. Good lord. Entire TV show American Greed on MSNBC is dedicated to this sort of aggressive salesmanship :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Far-L 06-06-2016 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by woj (Post 20944199)
except maybe aggressive salesmanship, which is far from a "scam", I don't see anything shady about Trump U... which part do you consider shady? that he was selling a dream that only perhaps 10% will achieve? How is it his fault that 90% don't have what it takes to be RE investors? Shady because there were upsells? that's common practice in many businesses...

where exactly was the scam?

Start with calling it a "University" and take it from there.

Just like previous educated and intelligent minds did. :2 cents:

woj 06-06-2016 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Horatio Caine (Post 20944286)
aggressive salesmanship my ass :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh They had manuals specifically instructing how to target elderly people. Good lord. Entire TV show American Greed on MSNBC is dedicated to this sort of aggressive salesmanship :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

so what that they had manuals? car dealers have manuals too... young couple shows up, you pitch them car A while highlighting x, y and z features.... mid-life-crisis male shows up, you pitch him car B highlighting n, p and q features, etc...

same with Trump courses, you use different sales pitch based on potential customer's age/gender/etc... nothing shady about that at all, it's just aggressive salesmanship like I said...

Horatio Caine 06-06-2016 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by woj (Post 20944295)
so what that they had manuals? car dealers have manuals too... young couple shows up, you pitch them car A while highlighting x, y and z features.... mid-life-crisis male shows up, you pitch him car B highlighting n, p and q features, etc...

same with Trump courses, you use different sales pitch based on potential customer's age/gender/etc... nothing shady about that at all, it's just aggressive salesmanship like I said...

Right, thats why multiple DAs filed charges. Just because they are all mexican and hate great USA :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh Cut the shit.

Documents show aggressive sales tactics at Trump University

They were selling air.. Emotions. Not knowledge.

Quote:

"You don't sell products, benefits or solutions ? you sell feelings," according to the sales playbook.
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For those who have hit credit limits, employees are told to suggest they dip into savings or identify other "seed capital."
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

plaster 06-06-2016 07:15 PM

Trump is going to crush polls tomorrow even though nobody is running against him.

He's going to get more individual votes then both hillary and Bernie and then in general election half Bernie voters are going to vote for trump.

Write that down boys and girls.

noshit 06-06-2016 07:22 PM

Yet Another Upside Down Nolt Thread.
These Bushwackin' Castration Lovers want you to live Fucked and Yet More Fucked than you have been... Just like them..!

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dyna mo 06-06-2016 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20944226)
..and of course the judge is a Mexican hater.

You're taking correlation to a whole another level!

High5!

woj 06-06-2016 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Horatio Caine (Post 20944310)
Right, thats why multiple DAs filed charges. Just because they are all mexican and hate great USA :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh Cut the shit.

Documents show aggressive sales tactics at Trump University

They were selling air.. Emotions. Not knowledge.



:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

"Documents show aggressive sales tactics at Trump University"

exactly what I've been saying all along... does the title say "Documents prove fraud at Trump University"? does the article mention that the documents prove fraud in any way? that's right, it doesn't, it just describes "aggressive sales tactics" that certainly are not unique to Trump U... :thumbsup

dyna mo 06-06-2016 07:45 PM

Liberal lynch mob rule book has no place for innocent until proven guilty.

I just learned that at today's class. They had to beat it into me.

dyna mo 06-06-2016 07:47 PM

I initially lolled because liberal lynch mob gives Hillary a free pass for being under FBI criminal investigation but trump is guilty as a mother fucker because a lawsuit was filed.


High 5!

dyna mo 06-06-2016 07:49 PM

But they threw some rocks at me from across the street and I got the message, and fast!

dyna mo 06-06-2016 07:51 PM

Rico shit!

Horatio Caine 06-06-2016 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by woj (Post 20944343)
"Documents show aggressive sales tactics at Trump University"

exactly what I've been saying all along... does the title say "Documents prove fraud at Trump University"? does the article mention that the documents prove fraud in any way? that's right, it doesn't, it just describes "aggressive sales tactics" that certainly are not unique to Trump U... :thumbsup

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh Thats exactly what it suggests - FRAUD ...

One thing to sell toyota corolla to 20 year old idiot at 22% APR... yes, aggressive sales practice.... but went you push him to buy additional 20K worth of useless upgrades and flat tire replacement options by running his credit line to limits and asking his parents to get second mortgage. Yep, that fraud no matter how you look at it. :1orglaugh Thats why its defunct business and thats why he is being sued. Just like many other scams of same nature.

dyna mo 06-06-2016 07:55 PM

4 square isn't fraud/scam. Speaking of aggressive car sales tactics

Horatio Caine 06-06-2016 08:00 PM

Trump University: Yes, It Was a Massive Scam | National Review

attorney general Eric Schneiderman, who told CNN?s New Day in 2013: ?We started looking at Trump University and discovered that it was a classic bait-and-switch scheme. It was a scam, starting with the fact that it was not a university.?

Trump?s own promises: that students would be ?mentored? by ?handpicked? real-estate experts, who would use Trump?s own real-estate strategies. Here?s Trump making the pitch himself:



according to the New York complaint, none of the instructors was ?handpicked? by Trump, many of them came from fields having nothing to do with real estate, and Trump ??never? reviewed any of Trump University?s curricula or programming materials.? The materials were ?in large part developed by a third-party company that creates and develops materials for an array of motivational speakers and seminar and timeshare rental companies.?



If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck

dyna mo 06-06-2016 08:00 PM

I got 4 squared a long time ago. I had to shit $10k cash to save the deal after they let me drive off and took my trade in. I borrowed more, drained accounts and rolled fucking pennies because I wasn't aware.

Horatio Caine 06-06-2016 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20944382)
4 square isn't fraud/scam. Speaking of aggressive car sales tactics

Selling Pontiac Fiero replica Ferrari as authentic Italian car - is.
Teaching Medical Classes to Med students without medical degree is fraud as well.

Horatio Caine 06-06-2016 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20944391)
I got 4 squared a long time ago. I had to shit $10k cash to save the deal after they let me drive off and took my trade in. I borrowed more, drained accounts and rolled fucking pennies because I wasn't aware.

And if you were a bit smarter you would have known that you have 48 hours to change your mind and threatened them with legal action. Someone took advantage of my idiot father once and paid dearly for it. Big car dealership too.

crockett 06-06-2016 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20944358)
Liberal lynch mob rule book has no place for innocent until proven guilty.

I just learned that at today's class. They had to beat it into me.

Someone has to actually do what they say... For years and years we've always heard idle threats from conservatives about how "you can't take ma guns or else!". Well seems everyone got tired of waiting for the "or else" and have decided to run them conseveratards out of Dodge..

Guess it's only those dirty hippies, welfare moms and them Mexicans who will go to the streets and fight for what they say they will fight for running them there conservesatards off the streets..

Paul Markham 06-06-2016 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by woj (Post 20943752)
says the guy that used to work for an adult dating company? a type of business that isn't exactly known for honest practices? :helpme

I don't blame you, we all have kids to feed, and I'm sure you had nothing to do with any shadiness if there was any, but don't kid yourself, if you could put up Trump U links on your site, and collect few thousand per day, you would do it... especially considering Trump U ran a 10x more honest operation than most adult dating sites... :2 cents:

That's not a defence of Trump. all you are claiming is that others would be as corrupt as Trump if only given the chance.

The evidence against Trump is overwhelming, with Clinton they can't find enough to make a case.

Paul Markham 06-06-2016 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 20943839)
Like I've said before, Trumps offensive strategy is to put the opposition on the defensive by labeling them with your own weaknesses. When they hit back, its reactionary and is less likely to stick. Politics sucks and way too many variables all around to even know if the GOP will stick with Trump after the RICO ruling that comes the day before the convention.

I think most Americans can see this guy is doomed. He was too stupid to realise the moment he stood everything he had done was in the public sector. The further he went, the scrutiny built.

He's so self-centered and arrogant, he dismissed the reality of what he faced. He will likely face jail time a fine won't come near to smacking him down.

Paul Markham 06-06-2016 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by woj (Post 20944199)
except maybe aggressive salesmanship, which is far from a "scam", I don't see anything shady about Trump U... which part do you consider shady? that he was selling a dream that only perhaps 10% will achieve? How is it his fault that 90% don't have what it takes to be RE investors? Shady because there were upsells? that's common practice in many businesses...

where exactly was the scam?

The scams are explained in the court documents. :Oh crap

Paul Markham 06-06-2016 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by woj (Post 20944235)
thanks for clearing things up... so you don't know where the scam is yourself? you are just assuming it must be a scam because you read on some news site that they were "forced out of Texas"?

The Press are reporting what Judges are saying on the record.

Paul Markham 06-06-2016 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by woj (Post 20944295)
so what that they had manuals? car dealers have manuals too... young couple shows up, you pitch them car A while highlighting x, y and z features.... mid-life-crisis male shows up, you pitch him car B highlighting n, p and q features, etc...

same with Trump courses, you use different sales pitch based on potential customer's age/gender/etc... nothing shady about that at all, it's just aggressive salesmanship like I said...

Trump was selling special information and didn't supply that. If a car salesman sells a car telling the buyers it does something it clearly doesn't. He's breaking the law.

When an entire company does it and conspires to do it. That's a big crime. When a manual explains how to do it and to pervert the authorities. It becomes an even bigger crime.

When the person at the top of such organisation and can be linked to the scam. Stands for the highest office in the world. That man's an idiot.

Paul Markham 06-06-2016 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20944358)
Liberal lynch mob rule book has no place for innocent until proven guilty.

I just learned that at today's class. They had to beat it into me.

Much like the Republican lynch mob rule book. The difference, this time, is the Republican candidate is pretty much convicted on his own evidence. On the other hand Nothing has been found regarding Clinton.

plaster 06-06-2016 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 20944568)
Much like the Republican lynch mob rule book. The difference, this time, is the Republican candidate is pretty much convicted on his own evidence. On the other hand Nothing has been found regarding Clinton.

Bill Clinton collected 16.5 million dollars on a bogus university. Research that and post back.

SuckOnThis 06-07-2016 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20944391)
I got 4 squared a long time ago. I had to shit $10k cash to save the deal after they let me drive off and took my trade in. I borrowed more, drained accounts and rolled fucking pennies because I wasn't aware.

Let me take a wild guess as to what happened. You bought a car, thought you had financing approved, dealer calls you weeks later and tells you they couldnt get you financed and you now owed thousands for use of the car you thought you purchased. Does that sum it up?


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