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dyna mo 06-09-2016 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Horatio Caine (Post 20952206)
As usual you got it wrong. Read Rubio's reports and then come back. After all he was THE Immigration expert to go to in these elections.

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Originally Posted by Horatio Caine (Post 20952296)
I said official government date not some BS from anti-immigration group :1orglaugh

Failure :1orglaugh

you're not even aware of what you're typing, you seem to think casually mentioning something about Rubio = official government data while you just waxed right past the CBO report. (heads-up: that's the Congressional Budget Office).

2MuchMark 06-09-2016 03:30 PM

A lonnnnnng time ago I was still a network technology consultant, and one of my clients was a major University here in Montreal. While there, there was a long line of about 50 people, who all spoke a foreign language (neither English nor French), all lined up as checks were being handed out. The checks were $8,000 each.

woj 06-09-2016 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20952236)

being able to locate a study that supports your opinion doesn't make you "right"... like I said, it's debatable...

for starters there isn't anything particularly unique about "illegals"... they happen to work in low income industries, and so the taxes they pay are limited... but same can be said about ANY low income worker, independent of their legal status, race, etc...

so if "illegals" are a "burden", then ANY low income worker is a "burden" too... "illegals" account for perhaps 3% of US population and according to your study "cost" everyone else 100B or so... but total percentage of low income families is perhaps 20-25%...

how do you feel about the other ~20% "parasites" (for lack a of better word) that cost everyone according to your study's conclusions 700B or more? Could it be the case that the study is flawed and that ~20% of US population are not actually "parasites" like the study implies? Maybe the study fails to take some contributions by low income workers, which include "illegals", into account?

Horatio Caine 06-09-2016 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20952242)
more on how i'm right and you're wrong.


During 2007, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office reviewed 29 reports published over 15 years on the impact of unauthorized immigrants on the budgets of state and local governments. While cautioning that the reports are not a suitable basis for developing an aggregate national effect across all states, they concluded that:

State and local governments incur costs for providing services to unauthorized immigrants and have limited options for avoiding or minimizing those costs;


The amount that state and local governments spend on services for unauthorized immigrants represents a small percentage of the total amount spent by those governments to provide such services to residents in their jurisdictions;


The tax revenues that unauthorized immigrants generate for state and local governments do not offset the total cost of services provided to those immigrants, although the impact is most likely modest, and;


Federal aid programs offer resources to state and local governments that provide services to unauthorized immigrants, but those funds do not fully cover the costs incurred by those governments.

https://www.cbo.gov/publication/41645?index=8711

DECEMBER 2007

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Let me break it down for you.
Do they pay Federal tax? Oh shit, they do.
Study Finds Illegal Immigrants Pay $11.8B in Taxes | The Fiscal Times

11.8Billion

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For instance, most unauthorized
immigrants are prohibited from receiving many of the
benefits that the federal government provides through
Social Security and such need-based programs as Food
Stamps, Medicaid (other than emergency services), and
Temporary Assistance for Needy Families. At the same
time, the federal government requires that state and local
governments
provide certain services to individuals,
regardless of their immigration status or ability to pay, in
order for those states or localities to participate in some of
its assistance programs.
So this is about local tax vs services. Tiny portion of taxation. Sme states don't have state tax at all. On federal level they pretty much get dick.
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Tell me it ain't so... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh
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spending by state and
local governments on services specifically provided to
unauthorized immigrants makes up a small percentage of
those governments’ total spending.
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For example, because unauthorized immigrants
are less likely to have health insurance, they are more likely to rely on emergency facilities or public hospitals for treatment of nonemergency illnesses and other
health-related problems
Maybe they don't pay taxes because they are evil.. so fucking evil...
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the income that unauthorized immigrants
earn and the taxes they pay also contribute to their
net impact on state and local budgets. Unauthorized
immigrants typically earn less than do native-born citizens
and other immigrant groups and, partly as a result,
they also pay a smaller portion of their income in taxes..
Well fuck no. Most of them live at poverty level yet they don't ask for handouts like brassmonkeys do and they actually have 2 or 3 jobs to support their family in US and where they came from.

Grand finale ...... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

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A related effect is that lower-paying jobs also result in
unauthorized immigrants’ having less disposable income
to spend on purchases subject to sales or use taxes. State
and local governments typically rely more heavily on revenues
from those and other sources (such as property
taxes) than revenues generated by taxes on income
I guess it help reading entire document not first paragraph only... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh


Undocumented immigrants contribute significantly to state and local taxes, collectively paying an estimated $11.84 billion in 2012.
The effective state and local tax rate for undocumented immigrants’ nationwide is about 8 percent.

Historical Average Federal Tax Rates for All Households | Tax Policy Center

Average income tax rate for DOCUMENTED families living just below middle class line is 7%

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Have a good day Bud ... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Horatio Caine 06-09-2016 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20952302)
so you're saying even with an F in high school debate squad someone still easily beat you in debate.

no wonder you can't win a debate.

I just did. Just by reading and comprehending your own link. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh Thats why you had F.

Your denial is amusing.. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Horatio Caine 06-09-2016 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20952305)
you're not even aware of what you're typing, you seem to think casually mentioning something about Rubio = official government data while you just waxed right past the CBO report. (heads-up: that's the Congressional Budget Office).

No, you silly. Its twisted interpretation of redneck society of FAIR. :1orglaugh

They also had F in debate class.

These guys. Straight outa Wal Mart.

https://www.splcenter.org/sites/defa...rowd-scene.jpg

Horatio Caine 06-09-2016 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by woj (Post 20952329)
being able to locate a study that supports your opinion doesn't make you "right"... like I said, it's debatable...

for starters there isn't anything particularly unique about "illegals"... they happen to work in low income industries, and so the taxes they pay are limited... but same can be said about ANY low income worker, independent of their legal status, race, etc...

so if "illegals" are a "burden", then ANY low income worker is a "burden" too... "illegals" account for perhaps 3% of US population and according to your study "cost" everyone else 100B or so... but total percentage of low income families is perhaps 20-25%...

how do you feel about the other ~20% "parasites" (for lack a of better word) that cost everyone according to your study's conclusions 700B or more? Could it be the case that the study is flawed and that ~20% of US population are not actually "parasites" like the study implies? Maybe the study fails to take some contributions by low income workers, which include "illegals", into account?


All he had to do is read entire report and not the first paragraph only. Its all there :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

http://www.educationnews.org/wp-cont...08/f_grade.jpg

dyna mo 06-09-2016 03:46 PM

all that frantic googling on dodging and deflecting your original premise.

i hope you code better than you debate

here i'll refresh your memory of where you went wrong:

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20952122)
from my understanding, illegals cost Americans 100s of billions of dollars while only contributing 10s of billions back.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Horatio Caine (Post 20952206)
As usual you got it wrong. Read Rubio's reports and then come back. After all he was THE Immigration expert to go to in these elections.


inabon 06-09-2016 03:46 PM

Now this really made me laugh

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Originally Posted by Muad'Dib (Post 20951738)
came to the wonderful land of america

America is the whole continent man you live in The United States of North America :)

Get it right people and you will see how scholarships will start going to more north americans LOL

dyna mo 06-09-2016 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by woj (Post 20952329)
being able to locate a study that supports your opinion doesn't make you "right"... like I said, it's debatable...

for starters there isn't anything particularly unique about "illegals"... they happen to work in low income industries, and so the taxes they pay are limited... but same can be said about ANY low income worker, independent of their legal status, race, etc...

so if "illegals" are a "burden", then ANY low income worker is a "burden" too... "illegals" account for perhaps 3% of US population and according to your study "cost" everyone else 100B or so... but total percentage of low income families is perhaps 20-25%...

how do you feel about the other ~20% "parasites" (for lack a of better word) that cost everyone according to your study's conclusions 700B or more? Could it be the case that the study is flawed and that ~20% of US population are not actually "parasites" like the study implies? Maybe the study fails to take some contributions by low income workers, which include "illegals", into account?

ok. but the CBO report certainly proves me right along with the fact that no one has proven me wrong.

inabon 06-09-2016 03:49 PM

now about your why is he bragging well pretty sure he encountered a bunch of White North Americans and African North Americans that made his life a living hell and kept saying he was too stupid to succeed and there you go he kicked all their asses :)

Horatio Caine 06-09-2016 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20952398)
ok. but the CBO report certainly proves me right along with the fact that no one has proven me wrong.

Its not CBO report. Its Trumlets with GED diplomas interpreting CBO report. Of course its fucked up and supports your point of you. If you had some pro immigration group interpreting it you would have completely different outcome. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Horatio Caine 06-09-2016 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by inabon (Post 20952404)
now about your why is he bragging well pretty sure he encountered a bunch of White North Americans and African North Americans that made his life a living hell and kept saying he was too stupid to succeed and there you go he kicked all their asses :)

Pedro was way ahead of them in 6th grade when he took AP English and AP Science classes while Buba and JT was taking bowling and bird watching.
This is whats so fucked up with US today. You have brassmonkeys who think its all given, not earned. And it should be "free"They find every excuse why those who got ahead of them somehow cheated or did it unfairly. We need more legal pottery designers, sociology, forest preservation and art majors. Not asian doctors or mexican NASA scientists.

dyna mo 06-09-2016 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Horatio Caine (Post 20952413)
Its not CBO report. Its Trumlets with GED diplomas interpreting CBO report. Of course its fucked up and supports your point of you. If you had some pro immigration group interpreting it you would have completely different outcome. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

like i stated, i hope you code better than you debate, read, or pay attention because here is my post with the CBO report

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20952242)
more on how i'm right and you're wrong.


During 2007, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office reviewed 29 reports published over 15 years on the impact of unauthorized immigrants on the budgets of state and local governments. While cautioning that the reports are not a suitable basis for developing an aggregate national effect across all states, they concluded that:

State and local governments incur costs for providing services to unauthorized immigrants and have limited options for avoiding or minimizing those costs;


The amount that state and local governments spend on services for unauthorized immigrants represents a small percentage of the total amount spent by those governments to provide such services to residents in their jurisdictions;


The tax revenues that unauthorized immigrants generate for state and local governments do not offset the total cost of services provided to those immigrants, although the impact is most likely modest, and;


Federal aid programs offer resources to state and local governments that provide services to unauthorized immigrants, but those funds do not fully cover the costs incurred by those governments.

https://www.cbo.gov/publication/41645?index=8711


Horatio Caine 06-09-2016 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20952425)
like i stated, i hope you code better than you debate, read, or pay attention because here is my post with the CBO report

Yep, and you didn't read it.. Actually you did - one and a half paragraph. I took my time and read entire document and had key notes for you. Did I mention I took fast reading class and can read at 4 times the rate of average reader? You should try it. I solve maze puzzles in under 3 seconds because I have photographic memory and peripheral vision. Not bragging.. :2 cents:

pimpmaster9000 06-09-2016 04:25 PM

Free education is a basic human right in most of the world...in merica it aint free because merica aint a free country...boooooo! ��

woj 06-09-2016 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 20952470)
Free education is a basic human right in most of the world...in merica it aint free because merica aint a free country...boooooo! ��

education isn't "free" anywhere in the world... in those other countries, you pay for it through higher taxes.... so you graduate as for example an engineer, get a job making $80k/year... in the US, you would pay perhaps 25% tax and end up with $60k/year.... in those other countries, you pay $45% and end up with $44k so you have $16k/year less for your entire life... hardly a good deal... :2 cents:


I just looked up Sweden: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Sweden

"31% + 25%: above 615,700 kr (88,180 USD and up)"

56% tax rate :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

dyna mo 06-09-2016 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Horatio Caine (Post 20952413)
Its not CBO report.

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Originally Posted by Horatio Caine (Post 20952440)
I took my time and read entire document

you're debating an adult today.

Horatio Caine 06-09-2016 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 20952470)
Free education is a basic human right in most of the world...in merica it aint free because merica aint a free country...boooooo! ��

Public schools are free. After that you have to earn it. We have plenty of coffee baristas with useless college degrees and frat tattoos. And I do agree, shitty education you get at U. of Belgrade should be free. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Horatio Caine 06-09-2016 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20952497)
you're debating an adult today.

adult... Defined by age only. Not education. :1orglaugh
You own link suggests you are clueless adult. Its not a debate if your own article proves you are 100% wrong when it comes to illegals paying taxes. Not just "local taxes"... ALL taxes. 99% of brassmonkeys and 80% of NRA members pay less than illegals in local taxes ... and there is perfect explanation for it. das no debates..

I das not CBO report. Dis is simplified "for dummies" version of it. For those who lazy to read and digest things on its own..
This is garbage for Trumples and such.
The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers (2013)

pimpmaster9000 06-10-2016 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by woj (Post 20952494)
education isn't "free" anywhere in the world... in those other countries, you pay for it through higher taxes.... so you graduate as for example an engineer, get a job making $80k/year... in the US, you would pay perhaps 25% tax and end up with $60k/year.... in those other countries, you pay $45% and end up with $44k so you have $16k/year less for your entire life... hardly a good deal... :2 cents:


I just looked up Sweden: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Sweden

"31% + 25%: above 615,700 kr (88,180 USD and up)"

56% tax rate :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

you forgot to take in to account how ridiculously expensive US education is...1trillion$ student debt...thats one hundred thousand million :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

your argument would be a good one if US education was not a financial joke like US healthcare...

Bladewire 06-10-2016 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Muad'Dib (Post 20951738)
WHY DOES HE FEATURE NO LESS THAN THREE MEXICAN FLAG ICONS ON THE TWITTER PAGE, AND NOT ONE AMERICAN FLAG???

Same reason we have the St. Patrics holiday in the U.S. Those of us with Irish heritage remember our heritage & honor it, though most have never been there.

Google Expert 06-10-2016 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by woj (Post 20952329)
so if "illegals" are a "burden", then ANY low income worker is a "burden" too... .

The difference is supporting your fellow citizen, instead of some foreign invader shitbag that hates your guts, your way of living (values) and who is here only for the free shit.

Google Expert 06-10-2016 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 20953016)
Same reason we have the St. Patrics holiday in the U.S. Those of us with Irish heritage remember our heritage & honor it, though most have never been there.

Apples to oranges much?

St. Patrics is a fucking holiday, while the US flag is your nations major symbol, that signifies everything about your country.

Horatio Caine 06-10-2016 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 20952998)
your argument would be a good one if US education was not a financial joke like US healthcare...

I can post my resume on monster.com today and by Monday I will be getting calls from all over the country asking me if I want to start on Monday the 130K job as senior BA or Sebol annalist. What would your degree fetch today? 2 basket of raw eggs and 3 gallons of milk? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh Silly shock-shelled Serb.

http://i.imgur.com/AyYsa1t.jpg

Horatio Caine 06-10-2016 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Muad'Dib (Post 20953109)
The difference is supporting your fellow citizen, instead of some foreign invader shitbag that hates your guts, your way of living (values) and who is here only for the free shit.

Keep in mind that one of your forefathers invaded this country, and also illegally. :2 cents:

deonbell 06-10-2016 10:49 AM

US deserves to be mocked some right now. Acts like rich country but broke. Mexico will take over.

And look at their election. Person who fucked up Middle East versus Reality show guy. And reality show guy is probably going to throw the election because he works for Hillary.

Google Expert 06-10-2016 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Horatio Caine (Post 20953517)
Keep in mind that one of your forefathers invaded this country, and also illegally. :2 cents:

Which country they invaded exactly? What was the name of that country?

Horatio Caine 06-10-2016 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Muad'Dib (Post 20953955)
Which country they invaded exactly? What was the name of that country?

Countries. Each had its own name based on the tribe and language they spoke.
And they did it with bullets not with lawnmowers and roofing shingles


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