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06-13-2016 12:21 PM |
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Originally Posted by DeanCapture
(Post 20956070)
"Reasonable money" is a subjective term that means different things to different people. Your offer may have been reasonable to you, but not to the other party. I get hit up all the time from people who want to hire me to shoot this & that. After I find out more about the project and give them a ballpark figure, I never hear from them again. I thought my fee was reasonable - they didn't. Or I get hit up from somebody who wants me to shoot a day full of content for 1/3 of what I would typically charge - that's not reasonable to me. I don't really see much of anything that's funny about this - it's just business. What kind of world would he have if we all agreed that a reasonable offer was reasonable?
Sidebar story - a regular GFY guy emailed me a while back saying that he was going to visit LA and wanted to hire a hair/makeup artist.... and asked if I could recommend someone that was "reasonably priced". I mentioned that $500 is typical for good hair/makeup artist but he may be able to get one cheaper. In fact, I gave him an email of a hair/makeup artist that would probably do it a bit cheaper. I thought the guy was going to shit his pants. He replied back saying that this rate was "insane". That models & producers are much more highly valued to him than makeup artist. Says that he'll just do the hair/makeup himself. Obviously $500 for a highly skilled hair/makeup artist was not a reasonable rate for him to pay although I and many others have no problem paying that. The point is that just because you think a reasonable rate is reasonable - it may not be to others.
Hope you are well man :thumbsup
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I still stand by that to be honest, i always pay above going rates for things because i dont cheap out. I find its more expensive to be cheap and you typically get what you pay for. But I still dont agree hair/makeup people should charge that much if youre going for a semi natural look which alot of big companies are doing these days. If youre a company like brazzers who needs to turn average girls into hot girls, i would understand but i only work with naturally beautiful girls and the going rate is still 500/day for us, and that is why im training my own ex models to do jobs like that. Like myjah said, that was the rate when all of us were making a fortune in porn, shes shocked it hasn't gone up, im shocked it hasn't gone down. Producers and makeup artists are similar in that they tend to look for similar or more money in a declining market , due to less and less work to keep themselves in the game, instead of their pay fluctuating with the market to have it make financial sense. I can't count how many makeup artists and producers would get more work if they priced themselves more accordingly. This is why companies are going inhouse and most of them judge from the sidelines. You need to have it make financial sense for the businesses to hire you
Everybody told me starting out how hard everything was in porn, but in reality, its not hard, its hard in porn standards. A standard that was created when things were easy as hell, still to this day, i don't think people realize what things should cost due to the rates that created when money was flowing. 500/day for a skill that 1/3 of every 25 year old girl i know has in town, theres a school out here and im almost sure that 1/3 of attractive girls who dont have a career find themselves at, so i dont think its a trade that demands 500 day, which is like 250 hourly. If that person was fully booked up 5 days a week, they would be paid 10,000 a month. they aren't though because the lacking market, however we're supposed to pay them to make up for that? Its just not logical. With all that said, this is the reason i do hair/makeup myself, decided to take up production myself, recruiting myself, etc etc because , it simply isn't as hard as people make it out to be. I find the people attracted to the adult industry are ones without much work ethic due to the low investment/high reward. This isn't coming from an owner who is too cheap to pay, this is coming from somebody who has worked with l.a pornstars and playboy models, fact is, most people in this industry are overpaid for their skill level. There are millions of people that are better photographers than even the most skilled adult photographer, there are millions of hair/makeup people who will accept 1/10th of what adult MUA's get paid. And its the same in the marketing world, its why companies went with cheap mainstream workers for affiliate marketing
But you are right, its a good example of how its quite the subjective term. |
