Yes. I have sold from them. I would assume most people would take it for written that Youtube and Vimeo help sales. Even Pornhub has sold porn memberships.

Probably a loser who takes out his depression on GFY.

That's the good part of this. It flies over the heads of a lot of people.

Spot on. So don't try to sell it like we did in the 90s and 2000s. Package it differently, show that your porn has that extra special something. Bottled Water does it.

Disinterested actresses aren't a problem. Tell them to go home. The problem is for people who don;t get this, can't handle models or think shooting the same scene over and over again of Russian teens, then packaging it as if it's different. Is the way to sell. Once a member has downloaded one lot of their stuff, why join any of the others to get more of the same?

Pornstars with fake tits can be used to do this. They just have to be managed properly or not given the work.

That's the only reason I'm on the internet.



Porn spokesmodels aren't that hard of a a concept to grasp. But, if we aren't shooting our own content it doesn't help.

yet, you have those faketaxi, facedoctor sites or czechcash sites with girls who cant speak a word of english and with subtitles selling really well.
the last thing that i would ever imagine is going to sell well, is the porn with subtitles..

I prefer schnitzels ...

Good point! :thumbsup

The problem is that you're whining about a topic you havo 0 knowledge and experience about: selling paysite memberships. Aren't you a retired not-successful content shooter?

Why the fuck you cry all the time on this subject? I guess your old buddies with outdated marketing/sales 'knowledge' cry rivers about this.. and you come here and annoy the shit out of ppl.. retire oldready!!!!! FOR REAL!!!

If pornsites or camsites, even less than mainstream dating sites could buy advertising on youtube videos -- then there would be something to talk about. Putting up a video on youtube and getting a few hundred views is nowhere.

Search 'xlovecam' on youtube and you will see; we and our affiliates have uploaded many videos -- with less than 'outstanding' results. You need to get better than 100,000 views with no nudity. Granted, our models are not great actresses without using their fingers or dildos.

Youtube, Facebook, Twitter, other social media are guerrilla marketing -- you cannot use your money budget to brand or get impressions. They simply do not want your money -- it's bad for their overall business strategy for mainstream and family entertainment.

I have a big mainstream move coming up that can utilize, and we plan to utilize, social media and Youtube -- but it is not porn and it is "G" rated. There we can throw money and personnel at it in an effort to get some top-of-mind branding advertising. I can get much better returns advertising our camsite in paid media more cost efficiently.

You have to remember-- you have no editorial control in social media -- you can have your account closed at any time for any TOS violation reason.

I was talking about the other troll.

This isn't the only way to make a product more attractive to some, these days.

You hit the nail on the head with the models. Those kind of models or producers are left behind. This is about getting surfers interested in the models.

This isn't for affiliates. They can only use the content that's given to them.

I counted the first ten scenes of Fake Taxi on Pornhub, they have 500 videos on Pornhub alone. 31,221,461 views and all enough to satisfy the most ardent fan of girls no one knows fucked in the back of vehicles, could ever hope for.

Did 31 million views lead to 1,000 sign ups or what?

Let's assume it was that many. Over 31,200,000 didn't like, weren't hooked or were satisfied enough to not buy. And there are some interesting scenes there.

The problem is some must like it a lot, but wth 500 to choose from and more going up all the time. Why buy?

31,220 have a very good answer to that. We won't while you give us no reasons and keep adding to the lack of need to buy.

However they can change this by giving people a reason to buy.

Which one of these are about your webcam models or sites? https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=xlovecam

If any, you're doing it wrong. Should you want more advice. Let's sort out a pay deal. However, it works best with girls who can speak to your main customer base.

Yes we know the problems with social media, at no point do I think this should be stuck with social media.

OK Paul, I'll can pay you 35% of the revenue you create and and I'll let you negotiate and pay for the content. You can create any content you want as long as it is acceptable to us as not defamatory and you have the model's consent with broadcast copyright.

You can make written offers to our models for any of their exiting VIP clips or exclusive (your script) -- we have 1000's of them. You don't have to pay them cash, you can offer trade for services if you like, read; traffic to the model. I can format the model's clip in MP4. Try selling a model on the idea LOL PAY ME! PAY ME! Cannot wait to see you try to negotiate with a cam model -- she may eat you alive like a tiger.

I pay for performance at 35% you get the lion's share of the profit. I know I am doing it all the wrong way we gross millions a month :2 cents: We don't know what we are doing :1orglaugh

I don't think the cost of production in advance for a "advertising" venue I cannot control, nor can I have editorial oversight over, is an acceptable risk. It's not like we don't have $10K to spend -- we spend that much in a matter of days on ads. If you want a guarantee -- buy a kitchen appliance.

I am not going to pay for my ticket to ''row the boat'' of the social media or porn tube slave ship. I would be a fool to do that. I don't work for Google or Tubes other than to buy their traffic popunders and Adwords (Paid SE ads we do Bing ads also). Tube traffic is not that productive -- they have many here buffaloed. Tubes, including Youtube, have the lowest converting traffic and are really for branding -- not conversion nor directive advertising.

Porn Tube roll out video ads don't work well either -- we tried that.

I am not stopping you from investing $5K or $10K in your great idea that you believe in.
When we pay an affiliate 35% we make very little of the 15% left after paying operational costs. So the money is there and there are all kinds of adult websites that offer you similar profit splits. I know we are good for the money you might make -- many others are good of the cash too.

Put YOUR money on the wood and show us.

Grays Law: 65% of the time you are wrong -- make sure the 35% of the time you are right that you are long on profits.

Markham, you're the troll that been banned repeatedly not me.

Markham, you're the troll that got permabanned not me.

Markham your the troll that is troll of the year not me.

Markham your the troll that tells everyone they should be doing their thing your way not me

Think seriously about the meaning of this: They don't build casinos because they lose money :2 cents:

Mr Burns on casinos: Fools come in and empty their pockets then leave.

Excellent.

''exactamundo''

If anyone can prove a stratagem, beyond some statistical anomaly, in a PROVEN profitable advertising media (that I am not currently doing) I could find $20K immediately to execute the strategy.

Show me a 30% net return within 12 months (30% per annum) I can possibly arrange high six figure+ financing for that in a VERY short period of time.

Show me the money FIRST!

Show me your books and your bank statement if you want investment money -- or collateral that is attachable.

Yeah he seemed cool at first but he's gone off the deep end turning very negative & creepy. Best blocked. I think him & JasonG are the same "anonymous" non industry person.

right. i'm the creep because i respectfully declined your aggressively pursuing me to go elsewhere to chat with you and for asking you respectfully to respect online privacy, while you lash out at others claiming they're me/i'm them.

if that makes me a creep, i'm totally fine with that.

You clearly do not get this. As shown by the clips on YT.

It can't be done by bored Third World Models who can't speak English. It has to be taught to the models and studio owners.

And if you think webcam girls aren't making money on Social Media, I have news fo you.

However if you have models who want to make more money, speak English and willing to learn. Get them to hit me up on Skype. paulmarkham1

The ads work perfectly. You get traffic from them. They have done their job. What's wrong is 1,000s land on your sites and none are interested enough to spend money.

Everyone knows advertising works very very well. If it didn't there would be no Tubes, TV, magazines,etc. The job of an ad to get people aware of a product. In the ads that are paid by clicks buyers only pay for the clicks. People are landing on your site, the problem is your site, the lack of training the girls get, the lack of girls who can inspire 1-1,000 to buy something.

99.9% of the people clicking your ads don't want to buy what you offer. If you can't see that, I'm not investing my money in your product.

I ca prove my success by being in business for so long.

Can I sell a product that can't convert well enough to make ads pay?

As for webcam girls not making money on Social Media. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

The problem is can I make it work with your girls and set up if you can't?

Exactly. Google didn't build to what it is because ads don't work. Tubes don't exist because none of the ads work.

The problem isn't the ads of the traffic, the problem is the product and the way you market it.

Posting as a nobody is easy on forums like GFY.

I exist, videos of me doing business are online, 7 years after retiring I show up at shows. Anyone can find me and chat to me on Skype.

The problem for these guys is if we find out who they are, we find out they're not to be bothered with. My biggest stalker is now unemployed, on benefits and nothing is going to change.

The leads are weak.

No one is buying.

The traffic doesn't convert.



Truth, the selling is weak, no one is selling, the traffic does convert, social media marketing works great.

Two salesmen went to a tropical island. One phoned home and said, no one here wears shoes so I'm coming back. The other phoned te office and said, send a container full of shoes. No one here has any.

The problem with a lot of online porn is it doesn't sell the product, it just hopes people will buy what they off which in most cases isn't very good. Many hope that if 30,000 see their ad or clip, enough will click on the link and someone will buy. More worried about the colour of the button, telling people to click here. Than making people want to see more.

If 1,000 see a clip and don't buy. The problem is with the system and product.

Too late to change the system, online porn was determined to give away so much the need to buy was destroyed for most. So change the ad and the product.



The traffic isn't weak, the problem is she's boring. OK she's pretty, but so what?

Now tell me someone will like it and prove my point.

I offered you 35% of the sales -- not a blank check -- deal with it ...

I turned it down because I'm not sending traffic to a site that doesn't convert very well.

Deal with it and more will send more traffic that converts better.

If you can't then put me in touch with the people who can deal with it.

OK

LMAO

Spend you own money with a better sponsor then ...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cfdr9bvXEAAfSrg.jpg

There are 10,00s of people sitting around and waiting for someone to buy. Blaming other factors for the lack of buyers.

And 100s out there making money by selling their product to people who don't want to buy, don't want to pay, don't want to pay so much. While others were taking orders for chipboard furniture at a couple of hundred pounds. I was selling top of the range furniture for £1,000s.

While some sites can't convert ad traffic others can. While some can sell on social media, others claim social media doesn't work.

The difference is the approach. A positive attitude, a conviction that people will buy, all it takes is having something that allows salesmen to turn them from browsers into buyers.

Webcam girl, porn girl, content creator, producer, director are the people who can start that process. Shoot girls not at work looking bored, doing what every other girl does. If with the 20-year-old samples I showed. Those who don't get it, never will unless they employ people who do get it and can train others to do it. Saying throw traffic at what I have and hope if someone buys it, isn't marketing and never selling.

Giving away the finished product in the hope someone will pay for it, isn't marketing and never selling.

Marketing is creating a product with attributes others don't have, so salesmen can emphasise those attributes and instead of hoping someone likes it, making people like it. Even making people want it and willing to pay.

Webcam companies that rely on Third World Studios with Third world bored models will find this tough. Which is why in the West so many girls won't work for studios. They work independently and don't give away 35% to someone throwing mud at a wall. They sell themselves. The people in the webcam studio business know how it's done it's no secret. They're unable to change. So no rubbishing a concept that's working for others.

The present Third World studio system will continue to decline as more girls go freelance and convert more surfers into buyers. Just like the paysites that threw up crap content and hoped someone liked it.

Sure, but unfortunately snuff films are illegal.

Paul BLA BLA BLA

Visit the Affiliate sign up page on xlovecash and you can prove it to me; OR if it's more to your liking,

Sign up on another camsite or any type affiliate site for that matter -- do your thing and give me the log in to your stats pages there -- I'll tell everyone the truth.

I like to see new things that really work any make money. But getting lucky and making hundreds is not impressive -- tens of thousands is interesting ... Show me were this really works and makes money and I may PERSONALLY bankroll it. But I see no ''proof of concept'' just emphatic words. There is lots of venture capital chasing few money making ideas especially now with the digital disruption going on.

As you don't understand this thread. Why keep replying?

Clearly your site doesn't convert very well, you admitted it in the thread you started about traffic. No matter how much a person tries a busted car isn't going anywhere. https://gfy.com/20969428-post8.html you don't have the inclination to improve your site.

The proof is everywhere in girls not working for studios like the ones you use and preferring to go freelance.

A product with little to no difference to its competitors is hard to market. A different bedsheet doesn't make a scene unique, nor does a different girl doing the same action. It's about as different as a Red Ford Focus or a maroon Ford Focus.

Waiting for a whale to bite on a hook, that has no difference to all te other hooks. Is losing money. To those who sit and think it through.

Back in the day shooting for magazines a days shoot could cost $1,000. Get the right girl, setting, lighting, focus and I was guaranteed a very profitable day. Getting it wrong and I was guaranteed to lose $1,000. There was no slinging mud at a wall and hoping.

Same when I was selling, I didn't waste my time to chase people who would never buy, with a product they didn't want.

Today many here do. I say did, as now they're gone. No matter what your site does it's paramount to make it different from the rest. Gspotproductions is different in that it's about an individual with a personality. No matter about looks, Natalie will convert better than all those cloned girls who are only doing it for the money doing a 30 scene with no emotion anytime.

Take her commitment, personality, fun, desire, empathy with fans of her niche and put it into a good looking girl and you have a winner. For a different type of site.

We see this all the time. Surfers don't want Amateur because they want a badly shot scene. They want to see models fuck for the fun of it and not the money. They want to believe this is a girl they could meet, lives in their town or she's just like the girls they know, just revealing a secret side.

Some pornstars have the ability to open themselves up. No matter how jaded they are, a creative producer can get something out of them. The uncreative ones just point a camera and hope.

https://vimeo.com/home/myvideos

See me at work.

We bought a new TV 2 weeks ago. Went to one shop and it was clear the no one gave a shit if we bought. So I went to a different shop and bought. The TV we bought had all the attributes we wanted and they were all displayed clearly. And if you need proof my system works. You shouldn't be involved in selling, even oranges by the on-ramp to a freeway.

I have the money to do this and you don't -- end of discussion.

BLA BLA BLA wall of text -- Social media -- and Mainstream Tube sites (for adult content) are are places where you have no editorial control and they can delete your work at any time. That is Guerrilla for small timers -- like you I guess.

Time is money for real businesses.
You don't see this in a real world context -- just in your fantasy land.
Paul, ACwebconnecting sells millions a month not one fucking TV ... My largest personal lifetime sale was $285,000 in one transaction -- not one fucking TV for a few hundred. I don't need sales lessons -- trust me.


Put your money where you mouth is -- PROVE IT! You can't or won't which is it?

My offer stands -- Put up or STFU already

This isn't about money, it's about skills of the producers.

It's not reliant on Social Media, it's reliant on skills. Social Media is full of girls using the system.

I'm not spending money on a product that can't compete with others buying the same traffic.

One sale that makes a lot is null and void if to get that sale costs as much because the people who didn't buy cost more.

Barry, you refuse to see how this works, you ask for evidence when it's all around you. Ask me to send traffic to your site that lacks the elements I'm writing about. The question is why do you refuse to see it?

Are all your sites already using this system, do so many of your girls lack the skills to do this, maybe you have no control over the studios, or what? I suspect it's the last two.

https://www.xlovecam.com/en/#SpicyCrystal she looks bored.

https://www.xlovecam.com/en/# show me where these girls are marketed as individuals with something to offer, off the camsite. And we can go from there.

I'm having trouble finding new posts in this thread because they're all starting to look the same.

You cannot do it with your own money or you won't risk your own money to try it.
I offered thar you refer to ANY place where you could prove the concept to make money -- you answer with total bullshit. If you don't think you can convert xlovecam do it with a porn or cam site that you like and PROVE your idea to everyone, Show us dummies how to do it the Markham way -- I don't think you can -- Prove me wrong -- you could make millions and be able tell us : "I told you so!".
Everybody is wrong and Paul Markham is so smart :1orglaugh

1 in 5000 camgirls have a great personality. Hire a professional actress and pay her $20K to get semi-naked, write a great script for $5K = spend $25K to make $2K net profit? Think you can do better PROVE it to me with YOUR money. Then we will all want to invest. No one is interested is losing money on bullshit.

Now, if you want to use social media, including Youtube for top-of-mind branding and have a portion of a marketing budget set aside for that -- with no anticipated hard dollar returns from sales conversions -- the concepts in you idea might work.

If you want to use Facebook or Twitter for mainstream consumer product marketing, creative advertising of discount offers, flash sales or other special promotions -- you have my attention.

Using Youtube for any substantial marketing effort for porn or cams is fucking stupid. That is like walking into a room and farting -- you are not a welcome person -- you are just pushing the fringe of the AUP -- they don't want porn or links to porn (or sexually explicit) sites. Do you always go where you are not wanted and fart in the room to announce your arrival?

they all spit it