I agree. It's also obvious that these posts are more about him fishing for ideas in a round about way disguised under the auspices of helping others.

Couldn't agree more! :thumbsup

Um... yea?

What you said.

Again I ask: if paysites are dead why do people and companies keep launching them every single week? Hmmm? No one wants to address that basic question. LOL

I started in 2009 (when everyone said i was crazy to even try, the adult business was a "race to zero") with 3 paysites, now I have 87. My first six months in this business I made a total of $800. Today I make a nice six figure income. How did I DO that? Magic join links? No, hard work.

HOW we market paysites need to change. Paysites need to partner up (and not just on cross-sells), creating 'virtual networks' so small sites can compete with giants like Pornhub. Join MY paysite and get access to 100 others. This is what I am doing and many should be following this model. Either create the sites yourself (as I do) or partner with other sites and share Members. The upsell model, while valuable, should also evolve.

If that were true, everyone would be doing great. I count views not clicks, they're all surfers and today 1-35 surfers can be clicking on an advert. That makes your 1-300, 1-10,800.

If it's 1-50 it gets worse. and that's why the industry is shrinking.

Study where the new traffic is coming from and relate it to your sales.

The industry does a terrible job identifying customers. Look at casinos and mobile game companies, some like double down have a foot in each of those arenas. Their entire business is built on understanding 90% of the visitors are worth less than the top ten percent of consumers.

Webcams make money because a small part of the visitors can pay an uncapped amount for their content. When you have fixed pricing at $30 per month you are asking too much from people who might pay a few bucks, but even more importantly you are only getting $30 from someone who is willing to pay a whole lot more.

Recurring billing is no longer the answer, getting the maximum revenue per visitor is much harder now, and much more important.

Which is why my (or anyone's) $99.95 for a full year's access is kicking ass. :)

The fact that I pay $100 a month just to get on the internet seems like a plan waiting to fail.

I still have a very long way to go. Have the time though. :thumbsup

Right? Fuck the cable companies. Everyone cuts the cord so they increase internet prices to compensate :321GFY

Say something that makes sense.

I pay all this money for people who do illegal downloads.

:helpme

Are these new sites from new companies or companies repackaging the same old stuff on a new domain?

Are these sites you paid for the content to be shot, bought it outright or doing revshare deals with the producers?

So long as the sites are similar niche/style this can work. The problem is sharing the money out.

Who cares? Ice to an eskimo.

Who cares? Ice to an eskimo.

50/50 is very difficult math indeed.

:GFYBand

Dude needs to get to 50k posts, cut him some slack.

Yeah but even at his pace it will take years. That's a lot of slack. LOL :)

I have a question for any program owners out there that are still running paysites. Is anyone running a live girl up front on the website during peak hours ?

Like a customer service rep or support staff to talk up the benefits of the site ?

I login to mainstream sites and a lot of the time a support chat window pops up and asks if I need someone to help me, I always wondered if that would work on an adult site by having a girl sitting there on a cam type interface where she can communicate with individuals by they can't see what everyone else is saying. So 1 video feed for everyone, but individual text boxes.

If anyone knows of a setup like this, pop a link here, or email me. I'd like to see how they have it setup and check with them on how its working for them :)


Thanks!

I think the industry does a great job at identifying customers. Most want it for free and we give it to them. Those who do pay want to download as many scenes as possible at the best speed possible. So instead of paying monthly to see movies they can download a year's supply for $30.

Yes, they are willing to pay more, they used to, we made paying an unnecessary chore and even a risk. Do you see drug dealers giving it away for free when they have the addicts hooked?

Who cares? The answers shoot down your ascertain that new paysites are opening. Concerning your sites, if you're doing rev share you have very little investment to recoup. 50/50 is OK for those with two sites, how does it work with 10 sites sharing the same customer and what if one has a lot more content and sales?

I can see how your business model works with companies that have given up producing. Those who have to recoup the cost of production can't possibly make it work.

Anyone here want to maintain my girls websites on their program?
I can send traffic 2.. I just don't wanna deal with the techy shit

Just like the delivery of many products & services have changed with the advancement of technology, so has the service of delivering porn...

I'm confident there aren't message boards out there with people arguing over how to sell more fax machines or cassette tapes. :winkwink:



Porn still sells! :)



It's the delivery format that is changing.

People want their videos delivered via a streaming service with tons of selection at a low price point, that's why Blockbuster is out of business and Netflix & Pornhub are so popular.


When you spend time building your business, you are making an investment in the future of porn.:2 cents:


The question is: which porn delivery format do you want to invest in?

Which means, which delivery format will bring you a higher rate of return going forward?

I've decided for various reasons, that I prefer to invest my time promoting live personalized porn (live cams) rather than promoting recorded porn videos via the paysite format.

I don't want to end up like Blockbuster :thumbsup

Who are the girls?

Hmmm very interesting thought here. Something that I agree with. I can afford $29 for netflix but I would cancel it in a heartbeat at that price. I'd probably cancel it at $19.99. Times have changed. Our perception of what we should get for our money has changed as well. Maybe it's time to re-price things but without becoming a discount depot.

This could be done with our XLSTREAMER with a FMS (flash media server) in Flash and HLS rebroadcast (a native mobile app)
Or, with WebRTC and a STUN and/or TURN server as required -- for PC or mobile 1:1, cam2cam for now.
We can do this but are not licensing our platforms at the current time.

This may be available, TBD, on our new .cam domains

What would this video/voice service on your website be worth to you?

It's been tried many times. $9.99 memberships, etc. Failed every time. Porn is an impulse buy. So you might get a little more joins, but you end up making less bc of the low sign-up fee.

I do see that discounts in porn are quite popular nowadays...

Yes but would you pay $29.95 if it included Netflix, Hulu and Roku altogether?

Exactly. The problem with lowering your pricing is what you have to make up in volume is unattainable for most sites. A Pornhub (or Netflix) can do it because they have millions of people hitting their site daily. Even larger paysites cannot keep this price point for long so they only offer it for a short time.

Deal sites, or discounts, will always be popular to a segment of the buying public but it should never be "the norm". Again, if you cut prices you have to double-triple volume in order for it to be a good move. CAN you double or triple your traffic overnight? Doubtful.

No, better to get that $120 (average) per customer, either in one $99.95 pop or a join + 2-3 rebills.

I saw this coming over 15 years ago when we started to see way too much free content on the web.
Told everyone about it and no one gave a f...about it.

I live in Trant

I am working on my new paysite currently. It seems obvious to me that you need to to have great content no one else has.

My website will 100% be based on quality content and quality girls. Hardcore but beautifully lit and shot. We will use new cinematic tools to get more in line with the quality that young viewers expect from mainstream. We will take cues from the video game industry.

It will also have a substantial community that will include chat areas, tips, and one on one with the models. Also an extensive behind the scenes - you are there area. We will create a hierarchy of members too so the longer they stay the more "power" they will have within the community.

The website will have a substantial user driven free side that with keep the outsiders informed on what they get if they pay. Special sets will only available for a limited time so if you quit to rejoin later you will miss them. Everything will be exclusive. We will use the tubes to our advantage.

Prices will be low enough to encourage casual re-billing and we will reward long term memberships with bonuses. We will also work to create a strong Brand and will include Merch and events.

That's all I am willing to reveal now :) :2 cents:

Fake bitch one; rip off cunt two; nonexistent hoe three; invisible slut four;
plus any others he can dream up before stealing your money.

:2 cents:

No:disgust

I agree with. But again it isn't about just lowering price but changing the idea behind how you run it. Maybe you lower the price for X amount of content and then aim to make your money on whales who will pay big for more.

Yes agreed. For my new site I plan to have 3 tiers of pricing so those that don't mind the $$ can pay on the internal up-sell.

Nice! Good luck with it :) Sounds exciting.

I'll promote you :thumbsup

This is the same BS we heard about the value of content from tube people in the beginning, now you're trying to drive down site membership fees industrywide for people making great money, or newbies who don't know any better. There is a reason the movie theatre is so expensive, enjoyable & relevant with revenue increasing last year by 7.4%.

Guys like me still in the game know what we're doing and people pay because we know how to create the perfect chemistry of a number of factors that you guys have yet to unlock and we have decades old followings and the golden word of mouth.

The slash and burn mindset towards content, surfers & members is why tubes & so many sites fail.

After all these years you guys still don't get it and don't listen to, or work with, people who do evidently or things would be different for you.

17 years of never banging cards, never redirecting, never advertising or putting banners up, never selling their emails, etc. Nobody's perfect, especially me, but I honor my content and my members. I'm not angry at anyone as I post this only feeling passionate, and always open to working with people and new ideas, as you know Snap.

Pornhub can do it because zero content cost. Someone else worked and paid to find a model,paid to recruit them, paid for haircuts/makeup, paid for scheduling, paid for a location, paid for the models, paid for the video to be edited, paid for it to be uploaded, etc. One download by a fake member and it's on certain tubes for free and when that happens a huge amount of work gets 90% less of what your normally make.

Netflix, Roku etc make money on the back end in ways adult will never be permitted to, that's why membership is so cheap, though prices are going up.

People pay $60 for 3 months and $40 for 30 day non recurring, and more on some sites, still, and they're doing great.

So it's ONLY about the price point, regardless of the value? Again, only the Bros can play at that game, for anyone else it's a road to going out of business. Maybe that's your point? Eliminate all paysites?

Exactly right. I didn't factor in the cost of their content (or lack thereof) but instead focused on their massive traffic. But your points are spot on.

Everyone wants to make the pie smaller thinking they will sell 10x the pies that way. Doesn't work that way, sorry (or only does for the Wal-Marts of the world).

Let people buy the video/photo set etc. they want? Without been subject to recurring membership

And the Walmarts of the world pay no taxes, are government subsidized, etc.

Legitimate, established online porn Wal-Mart like sites (non stolen content) with daily updates are running a crazy rat race with huge turnover & unnecessary expenses.

When I talk to these guys and we share stories I'm blown away! Even though they have daily updates, expenses are going up and they can't raise their prices past rock bottom because of perceived value and their production resources are tapped making diversification difficult. They've tried A/B price increase testing and they lose too high a percentage of members every time. The organized crime theft of their content is out of control, which greatly affects their tight profit margins too.