I've got a solution for everyone: make a porn app :p Host in on our own server and voila, more revenue like in the good old days ;)

If that is how they are paying to content producers now? by the view -- then yes...

Micro payment is not new -- how it cam be financed is. Forget about 3rd party processors. You can load a wallet with ACH for next to nothing (or nothing) initiated direct from your online bank in the US. https://www.dwolla.com/

I didn't mean to butthurt you Shap.

How are we supposed to trust a former tube owner whose avatar is Darth Vader?


Seriously though you started asking for peoples ideas this month last year in another thread. You and I chatted via email which was cool. Nobody has seen any results come from the effort before and here's a new thread asking for ideas for paysites.

Where did I peg you as a selfish manipulating bastard though? I don't see you that way.

I try to challenge people sometimes so I can learn and see where they're coming from, it's me being passionate, not meant as a negative. Now if I tell you how I see you you're gonna take it a bad way haha :upsidedow

I think the money went to dating.. :upsidedow
(Also cams and other things that a regular affiliate can't make money from these days..)

What is a regular affiliate?

Like me I guess.. :upsidedow
(I thought about and I don't really know. I guess the difference between a freelancer making money with ref links and a company or LLC with money? I also didn't mean cams didn't make affiliates money, I worded that weird..)

Like the problem with people complaining about tubes. Nowadays much less people search on SEs for what they're looking for or going to TGPs/blogs/MGPs/etc and instead are going straight to a type-in tube to see what they want and if they do find the video on an SE, chances are it's a video on one of those big tubes..
If they buy a membership for something they like, the tubes and the company will get a cut of the sale, no middle man.

holy shit! markham is still alive????

As someone who has no skin in the cost of producing content, your views are biased. With that said I admire your business model, picking up old sites that have been exhausted by the owners and squeezing the last out of them. Very much like what I do with my old content.

This thread is about new ideas to move forward, seeing how paysites can adapt to reap more paying customers.

How many times a week do you jerk off to porn?

I find it strange that a person who would never buy, is looking for ways to sell porn.

Pornhub already does it. According to some posters and lawyers, without the permission of the content owners.

Did another tube site set up a rev share with content owners on views?

Why should the big Tubes start paying out for content on mass?

Maybe a deal with JKT of Fake Taxi, Met-Art level. But with sites that are just glad to get a bit of traffic????

As for helping with production costs. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Not really. Mainstream Dating isn't porn.

Affiliates, ex-site owners, etc. Have gone to Dating are other online businesses. Many have left the business altogether.

I know if I had to work I would never be shooting porn. There are far more profitable ways to earn a living.

Alive and kicking. Retired 8 years ago. Still selling content but it's only to keep me busy. Private pensions are my main income.

Spend my days walking the dogs, cooking, reading, watching TV and gloating over tragic attempts to earn money on a boat that long sailed.

After 10 years of listening to people tell me, I knew nothing. Karma is sweet.

Still not sure what the one click sale is about. :helpme :1orglaugh

PH is not doing this.

That's true, but sometimes adult dating can be very similar to porn: People watching people getting laid vs people trying to get laid.. :upsidedow

It's great for supplemental income for adult webmasters, too, even though it might be considered mainstream.

Why does Netflix get 12.99 (now) a month subscriptions when you can view all kinds ( of generally bad quality [bad screen cuts, chipmunk voices, obvious display screens being videoed with a webcam (LOL)] ) movies, including recently released, full length movies?

People are willing to pay for good content -- free pirated tube clips are better somehow or good enough for a fast wank; fap,fap,fap -- zip? If that is the case -- move on.

Too many hahahahhahaha

Explain Zishy. Zishy - Real Girl Mischief

Mostly non-nude models & no videos. Probably run's it on a $80 a month ssd vps server. It's a great idea !! Just like any other niche that we are trying to hit, I'm sure there are a lot of guys out there that like the tease that pics offer over the visual overload that videos give them. Pics can sell! 20% of of our members download more picture sets than videos!

:thumbsup

Youtube & porn tubes have a huge problem that Netflix, HBO GO, and porn paysites don't have, and people are willing to pay not to experience. I know you know too, please don't vocalize it here.

Actually Paul my websites run the gamut from 'dead' sites (no updates) to recycling older content to shooting brand-new content in 4K. However I myself do not handle the cost of production, the content producers who provide me the content do. (I also purchase content.)

No, with my business model it's more akin to that of a Hollywood agent, meaning take a % from each site and, altogether, it pays off big time. Some sites do killer biz, some so-so and some no biz at all. But TOGETHER it (my Network) packs a wallop and makes bank.

Can you point us to the sites that are shot in 4K and updated regularly from the income they earn on Porn Nerd? The New Adventures of The Porn Nerd - Free Tour - Real Amateur Fun!

I see you don't have the cost of producing content.

I have no doubt your network makes you a living and I admire you for what you're doing. But it's not the way forward. You have no skin in the future and paysites improving conversions and profits. In fact, you make more money with them failing and people allowing you to pick their sites up for a revshare deal.

I was talking about PH having a Premium area. As for them selling on a 1 click, 1 scene basis. Why should they if it risks the monthly membership sale?

Paysites are sites with recorded porn. Dating is for people looking for a real relationship, if only for the night. It is a great supplement and for many has replaced porn income.

Then you would a buyer of porn if there was no free porn. Pre-Internet you had little option but to buy.

I don't have to, it explains itself.

It might be the future for most models. :1orglaugh

:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

Tubes are better than paysites. Girls working on their own are better than Third World studio girls, so what's left?

People have to face facts the online porn business is, for most, a dead end. They won't be increasing their income and while they should maintain it, they have to adapt or die. Look outside porn for their long term living.

There are opportunities for people who can create, market and sell. For webmasters who can only dump traffic, the future is bleak. This is what happens with every new industry after the gold rush days when anyone can pick up nuggets, the big boys take over and dominate. The yield's not only smaller, the big boys suck up most of what's left.

Develop products that are real, have meaning and empathy with consumers. This is easy for those who understand why someone buys a product. What their needs are, what will trigger them to buy and what will bring them back for more. If you need some examples, look at the top Youtubers. This is the route to take, it can be done for porn even though if the models scenes are on a Tube they will get the lions share of the traffic.

Or drop porn and go to dating, or flipping burgers. Now's not the time to try to reinvent porn. And the suggestions so far prove that.

Big tubes can never have processing (eg the 1click idea), there is too much content that is not allowed by the card schemes. A lot of big tubes got burned already when they had the premium on a subdomain of their main domain.

That's why it's made so clear that you are leaving the site and go to another site.

http://i.imgur.com/1Pt4dU7.png

Most of the 'premium' versions of tubes are nothing more than paysites with DVD content and AC whitelabels/channels. They have nothing to do with the content on the tubes itself.

When you click watch HD or see on Premium the chance that the video is actually there after you pay is very small. It's just another way to get people to signup for recurring memberships.

With Facebook,Instagram and snapchat even if porn went away today's youth has plenty to jerk off to. Porn isn't only down because of tubes. With social media you get so much more content of people you know and don't know.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh Cool.

Let's discuss this. What is wrong with the fact I owned Tubes?

150 posts of nothing changing

So you're agreeing with me.

It doesn't matter where the free porn comes from. It exists in so much abundance selling to 1-10,000 was a possibility we had years ago. I'm talking consumers, not clicks.

Another stupid mindset this industry had of only counting people who clicked a link and on tours.

The only hope recorded porn has it a law for a total ban on free porn. Calling on paying with a credit card as a verification of age. Backed up with enforcement.

Another vague hope crushed?

You're awfully arrogant in the face of evidence that defies your statements. Zishy destroys your argument, so you simply ignore it. Tell me, Paul, are you a member of the Flat Earth Society as well?

ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh lol

http://i.imgur.com/IT8dqsj.png

Porn is an addiction. if you cant get it from pirate sites you will get it somewhere even if you have to join your favorite sites. Pirate sites post content as soon as it's released cause they know if they don't, people will join sites to get their fix. And people on pirate sites pay for their content. They just pay the file lockers instead of the producers. And of course file lockers pay the pirate sites...

But new content is king IMO. People will always need something new to get off. Most people know whats old and don't want to spank to it. People want something released yesterday or today.

Here are my thoughts.

I believe in my lifetime sex will always sell to someone. Our brand produces content that focuses on amateur female eroticism and female pleasure. I believe this content will always sell. Our job as a company is to evolve the tech and keep up with distribution channels and payment methods. If we do these three things and keep the Yanks brand connected to and in front of the eyeballs of the people that appreciate this type of content we will succeed. Full stop. It is that simple.

We have done this so far by;

#1 Making great content.

#2 - The rest

Having clear value propositions and story as to who we are. Many of the sites that went out of business after the boom had neither. SuperBigTits.com circa 200WhoGivesAFuck ? Join and see super big tits! Yeah great, bye, Hello Pornhub! In the case of Yanks, Pornhub has videos like ours, but not OUR story, this matters.

We don?t try to compete with free. The bottled water vs tap water analogy is sound. Some people will pay for bottled water all the time others won?t. We segmented the market and targeted the people that will buy. We have calls to action that tell those targeted people why they need to be a part of our story.

We analyze our revenue streams and cost structure constantly. What feels right to pay for or paying for something that someone else gets an ROI on might not actually be making you money.

Pushing our third party providers to provide more innovation. We don?t have enough in-house tech so we do this all the time. Good providers welcome this.

We set up our member?s area up for discovery of older content. CMS or (CMSs?) are often too linear. Get people finding gems from the past, this helps retention.

We work with companies that align with our goals and values. Big and/or popular isn?t good or bad, it is just big and/or popular.

I agree with the collaboration that Shap mentioned. Work with companies in your niche. Once again banging the drum for the 3rd party providers to hear, but one clicks are gold. Why the coding for these isn?t more plug and play is beyond me. One clicks for pay-sites should be more numerous. I hope VR brings a greater collaboration between billers, CMS providers and affiliate software companies to make this happen. There aren?t that many combinations of service providers.

Be a complete company not a dot-whatever. We give to charity. We know some of our members and models personally. We have a company culture and history.
Let your social marketing mix highlight all the above. Don?t just dump out GIFS.

Hope that helps.

Paul I am not interested in breaking down my sites for you. LOL But I will say that I do NOT want paysites to fail nor do I pick up the scraps from failed paysites. You really prove, again and again, that you have no clue how any of this works.

I find CONTENT then create brand-new paysites. But why explain? You don't get it and apparently never will.

Adult dating is a fantasy like porn. The users interact with other "members" and browse their amateur-style nude photos and occasional videos, along with integrated live cams. An adult dating site is essentially a girlfriend site with a pseudo chat and messaging system.

I think that's a pretty huge overgeneralization. Other than the obvious tells like 4:3 SD content, most people do not know what is old or not.

Quick scan of the top current networks on Rabbits Reviews:

Reality Kings: 10002 videos
DDF: 15024 videos
Naughty America: 7343 videos
Brazzers: 6553 videos
Team Skeet: 2079 videos
Fame Digital: 19478 videos

I refuse to believe "most people" have 60k+ unique videos catalogued in their head, and are waiting for studios to shoot another 25 scenes this week so they can pay $29.95 for them. That mentality is just the industry doing more of the same and hoping it gets better.

I think the group of porn enthusiasts and collectors you are referring to is a niche group and very much the minority.