Free online or not the analogy is sound. If I was single and not in this business I would pay for porn. Why? Because I get sick of seeing the same videos of the niches I like over and over and over again on the tubes. It is a convenience and a quality cost. The Green Lantern up there doesn't get it because his allowance doesn't buy him luxury.

Exactly :thumbs up

I'll also add that my paysites don't do redirects, popups, popunders, spam, banners, etc. We don't ask you to disable adblocker, and when you do, send you to a fake virus site that makes you close your browser. :1orglaugh

Tubes have taught their surfers that they cannot be trusted, let alone with a surfers credit card number :2 cents:

My surfers know they can trust me, stay with me for years on average, and believe me when, in the odd post, or note in an email, I tell them of a great new site to join (usually one of my own)

LOL Exactly. Before I was in this biz I DID pay for porn and would do so again. You run a great Program BTW. :thumbsup


You make excellent points. It's funny because doing what I do I am so immune to pop-ups, ads, all the annoying things tubes (and other sites) do to GRAB YOUR ATTENTION (and money). But I can understand the sentiment because when I go to mainstream blogs and sites I get bombarded with pop-ups, ads, re-directs, etc. South Park did a great episode about being caught in the pop-up circle jerk. So it must be annoying to the average porn surfer, too.

I'm negative about those who think what'as failing, will work. I'm positive that those who adapt to the demands of customers will succeed.

LovinNothin is right in that selling a jerk off is gone. Selling a relationship is still alive and kicking.

Micro niche sites will have to keep producing to keep members. In mainstream porn they don't have that situation, so to keep selling they have to change what they sell. The 15-minute jerk off market is gone.

When I was in the business I still bought porn. To see what others were doing and how to adapt my styles.

Agree with you on this. We've lost $100s of millions by annoying customers. Which is why so many congregated on The Hun, Pornhub level free sites and never clicked a link. Or is that to negative or me? :1orglaugh

Bingo! Nothing will change until this does...

It rings true to me. All the time people waste creating clickbait porn sites to divert traffic to malware, redirects, etc. such a waste

He is correct, the adult industry's time and money would best be spent fighting the tube sites, it would make porn profitable again and protect porn from the extreme groups who want to ban all porn outright. Unless you own a tube site your a fool for defending them.

Legal tubes work great for converting traffic, for me at least. Why illegal tubes don't go legal, sign up for every affiliate program the content belongs to, and switch out the bids for promo vids, is beyond me. A lot less hassle than wackamole.

250 paysite changes!

for the average user the content is already out there and is free

Obviously not a waste for those creating them.

Thanks! :thumbsup I always appreciate hearing that.

I may be talking out of my ass here, but .....

..... is there anything preventing Paysites from setting up FREE "user uploaded" tubes available in their memberships areas, of which only their paying members can be "users" afforded the luxury of likewise uploading content that may coincidentally be produced by companies owned by the corporations that also own the Thieving Tubes; of which non paying visitors can surf through but only with limited viewing privileges of let's say 30 seconds per clip?

Your potential members wouldn't be paying to access FREE content nudge nudge wink wink, but instead be paying for the luxury of having a remote server to store, access and share their favorite videos like done at said Thieving Tubes.

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I thought not.

Seems to me that fighting fire with fire, offering your members more and accumulating additional sign ups to offset increased server expenses makes more sense than partnering up with and selling your soul to the Devil - all the while ( collectively ) chipping away at His profits.

The pharmacy at a ''superstore (Meijers-like WallyWorld or Tescos)'' refills one of my prescriptions for free. Why? To get me into the store -- I will buy $30 -$60 of groceries there and get 1 month -- of one common generic med -- refilled free. They Robo-call for me to reorder then Robo-call in a day when the script is ready for pickup. I do go there and buy and spend money every month :thumbsup

Use free to sell something ...

Hey Duke. Damn really? I didn't think we had a bad thing going between us. I'm sorry you feel that way.

I know i've made comments about certain niches. Those were just my views. Obviously everybody can draw their own conclusion from it. It's never been a personal attack just a view on the niche.

I'm sorry I came across like a douchebag. I haven't heard many people say that as I try to be nice to everyone. I think it was a misunderstanding. I've always hated shows as I've never been comfortable at them. I'm bad at cutting a conversation short when I have to be somewhere else. Still no excuse for it. I apologize it was never intended.

Ethically Ruthless? Damn i've opened a can of honest in this thread. Would love to hear examples of being ethically ruthless besides working with tubes early.

That is the key. Same way we ran Twistys. Earn their trust and deliver value to them for a long period of time. That business model can sustain ups and downs of the biz

No No No.

You conduct business honestly but work harder than anyone.

Sorry

:thumbsup:thumbsup Awesome! For a second I thought I added another person to the list of people who don't like me.

It's tough to spend that $30.00 a month on a subscription. So I think if you overwhelm them with quality and quantity you may have luck? Researching, lurking, trying to see if pay sites are worth it, I guess depends on how much you've spent. As long as you have something that someone gets turned on from then you have a sale.

Personally I like The Habib Show over let's say X-Art or Nubiles. Why? Sleezey. It's pure real life looking drug/booze fun. I would spend money with that than a teenage virgin-looking model masturbating with a carrot.

Plus I don't want to see a European girl trying to be cute speaking the Queen's English. Normal-- spent $40.00 on motel, $20 on cigarettes, $100 on booze, $5.00 on cheap condoms with a girl from the club, Craigslist or escort. That's real life...

That shit is free to watch at tube sites... But watching without having pop ups and other distractions is worth it.

That's like saying "I'm not a murderer!",
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Come on, you set that up and I knocked it out the ballpark! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh




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I bet WR private webcam shows will be top of the offer soon! Plus some jerking hardware for full interaction model-user, that will cash out money from cocks...

I have to say those buy a DVD or movie options like Third World Media is killer. Very damn appealing.

VR is too expensive to buy if you're just starting.

If I had some dough. VR, DVD and 4K and high def would be my investment. And of course a little bit of skinning to make site look better.

Casino whales pay more for more chips, webcam whales pay more for more money. You can not do exactly that with paysites. Well you can - charge per scene, not monthly subscription. Would that be such a hit for your revenue?

If you have a variety of things making money. I think a Paysite is good. It's hard to compete.

You can use a straw to drink $2 bottled water!

That's synergy folks. :D

Why did this thread turn into a shit-fest against paysites ??

I was hoping to hear some ideas on how to make them more profitable, not make me want to slice my wrists and watch the life leave my body :Oh crap :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I suppose so long as it's user uploads, or no one can prove otherwise, and the site responds to DMCA notices. Seems OK. Of course, it also helps if the company and site aren't based in the US.

This is the sad state we're in today.

If 1,000 came in for a free product that costs the pharmacy money and bought nothing. The pharmacy would soon go bankrupt. You use something, that's free or very low costs, to throw traffic at sites.

Agree. Paysites and Cams have to offer a lot more than a girl who can't talk English well, is doing it for real with emotions, and connecting to the consumer. I liked The Habib Show just wanted more contact with her talking to the viewer. Personal preferences I guess.

To gain a customer's trust and loyalty the product has to be worth it. This side of porn never thought that was true. There were few sites that paid enough to gain trust. Did Twistys pay as much as the offline market? That's around $4,000 per solo girl and treble or more for a BG video, with the producer retaining copyright?

Not having a go at you, just stating the obvious. Only those with a content producer as part of the ownership, were able to produce a real quality product. We all know them and many are still here. It was only the demise of offline that some sites were able to get the top shooters.

Even then members were able to download the whole site in a month and cancel. Then return in six months and download all the updates.

The only way forward is to offer something of real value that's live every day. Then the problem is creating it and affording it.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh ha, ha, ha, Porn Nerd just won this thread :thumbsup

Our paysite has all of that and a whole lot more. It will be the best site on the web. You wait and see. You have no other choice.
Everything is interactive. They can dress the girls. It will take months just to try all the features on the site and use them.
Still perfecting the menu system out but the ones who have tested it think it is great. The girls have not paid for a bite to eat since we started running tests
When the girls yawn the fans will know. When they take a sip of lemonade they will know.
One big draw is watching TV with them. Watch their favorite shows with them and talk about that shit when it is over. Sounds gay? Well it is but they love anything that brings them closer to the girls.

I've watched movies together with my ex over skype when I was traveling. Pretty cool. Especially when I didn't feel like talking and wanted to eat in the meantime.
I can see the appeal to this.:thumbsup

Have you seen bees knees before? Put that shit in a microscope and look closely, you will see a picture of our site. It will be the fucking bees knees.

We have been doing custom videos for 17 years. They get to write the script, pick the clothes out, They can even send outfits, toys, whatever for the girls to use in the video. This has always been a big part.
I mentioned before they can even cook dinner with them. 24/7 cams have been around but not like this. Cams work so well now. Where the girls go the fans go too

Well, if you cannot sell something (in sufficient quantity) get a job for a wage or retire :upsidedow

That pharmacy is in a store that makes money -- the local pharmacy shoppe is a distant memory. Things change ...

Sounds good :thumbsup