It's easy, you pay them more than they would working for themselves.

Exactly what I thought. If a Webmaster can't deliver more money, not traffic, than the girl can by working Independently, he deserves to be dumped.

The problem is more and more girls are able to generate more money working Independently that they can working for a webmaster. The webmaster changes or the girls leave.

I think Paul needs a rest. :2 cents:

The old man who knows everything howling at the sky crying "why won't they listen to me, I know how to make it all work".

Paul, you are so out of touch that it isn't funny. In fact I have serious concerns for your wellbeing. You don't seem to understand where things are online in 2016.

All online publishing has largely become centralised in the hands of a few, it's not just porn.

I haven't seen the word innovation work it's way into your walls of text, I don't think you understand that large successful porn companies are now data driven and work from real business principles, not the ideas of a has been, could have been, self described expert in pornography.

You have no idea what the Gen Y or Millennial consumers of porn want, how they want to consume it, what they want to see and how they share content. I'm pretty sure that if you had a clue about any of these things then you'd shut up out of utter embarrassment.

Do MFC get more traffic and money by making the girls go naked? End of that debate.

The problem is as free porn escalated, all webmasters did was to work harder at making it escalate faster. The day B?W dropped in price Tubes were inevitable. The problem is webmasters haven't changed the product of the marketing and selling. Quantity over quality all the time. Barbi Sinclair nice site but so 1990s product. A girl sucking off a guy is the main marketing theme. 2016 it should be more like the other sites who can monetise Tube traffic.

The problem is webmasters with no clue about porn.

This guy thinks I spent $500 to $1,000 per shoot to fondle girls. :1orglaugh

Well it certainly wasn't to invest in a venture that would set you up for life. You haven't got much to show for that investment now, other than your outrage that the real adult industry thinks you're just a silly old man. :2 cents:

Tell us how you would nake it work. Not another place for people to put their blog texts, that's not the way forward.

I showed three sites that were monetising Tube Traffic. One was a "free Ad". A very well thought out design, of content that hasn't changed for 50 years. People fucking. So a bad conversion rate.

The other two were good. The viewer is immediately hit with something to draw them in. Not a picture of something that's cloned a million times, a video telling people the benefits of the product.

Trying to sell 500 (?) fuck videos for $30 in a world where 500,000 are given away free is so upside down it's no wonder conversion rates are awful.

Trying to sell a webcam girl typing, or pretending to, and looking at a screen, when 100s are talking to the viewers is yesterday's model.

Trying to keep webcam girls when they can earn more Independently won't work. Piling more traffic that doesn't but her also won't keep her.

Change to marketing and selling the real product rather than dumping traffic on a site.

Do you know how to do that?

When did you hack my bank account?

Can you offer any advice to stop the decline of your income?

Come on Paul, you've told the board before that you live off a pension and that your wife works to make a living for you both.

My income isn't declining. :2 cents:

I live off private pensions, which are more than enough to allow Eva not to work. The notion of having her at home all day is too scary to contemplate. :1orglaugh She's a career girl and work stop her managing me.

Do you see how easy it is to make a false statement on a board? No one knows about your income or mine, this could all be bullshit.

What we do know is porn is becoming less lucrative because fewer are buying, most sales go to other people, the big guys and on webcam to Independent girls and the big sites.

If you want to discuss ways to maintain your income, join in offer suggestions. Or stay out.

A pornographer doesn't need data to know what men like to jerk off to. He has decades of experience and the proof is that mainstream porn hasn't changed a jot, except in image quality, for 50 years. Boy meets girl, boy fucks girl. Credits roll. The difference are the styles the fucking is done in.

All that is redundant today because there are 500,000 (?) free Boy meets girl, boy fucks girl videos online. Anyone who needs data to tell which movies will sell best shouldn't be in porn. Data is more exacting but not crucial.

The problem now is even with data it's pointless if the same style video is online for free. So a huge shift in how the product is manufactured, marketed and sold needs to be approached. What can a consumer get from a pornsite that isn't available for free?

Webcams still sell and now we have a new part of that market outselling the older style. Because of what many men want from porn. The fantasy that the girl will do it with them or for them, they want more than a voyeuristic porn scene.

Girls on Chaturbate and similar who talk to the viewer do better than girls in a Third World Studio who need someone else to type in English. Because the men empathise with her. Pre-selling girls like this is easy, if given the tools, so not clips of her typing with music in te background. Promotional material needs to be shot away from the webcam camera.

Can webmasters produce this? No. Can pornographers? Yes.

Once you said Data Driven, I knew you were a webmaster, a pornographer can see little has changed and doesn't need data to know hot porn. His dick does it for him it makes him an expert. :1orglaugh

Correct, it's not possible to verify income on a forum, however here are some indisputable, independently verifiable facts.

I am the director of a mainstream Internet & IT company which occupies two premises in Melbourne. One is in the most expensive street in the Melbourne CBD on the ninth floor of a high rise tower. It employs 17 local people and 12 offshore and that's growing. It's businesses provide services at both a B2B and Consumer level. It maintains a 24/7/365 call centre for three of the businesses that the company owns. Each business in the group has it's own website, it's own phone numbers, it's own staff and physically occupies two, soon to be three locations. It's all on my LinkedIn, so while I cannot prove on a forum that I make an income from it, it's demonstrable and verifiable that it all exists. The investment required to build that business didn't come from thin air and I've never inherited any substantial sum of money. Hard work and determination was the major investment that built that company from nothing to what it is now, in less than five years.

During the glory days from 1994/1995 I made a load of cash from online porn, some of it thanks to your content, however when I set up my first porn site you could make thousands of dollars a day just from a single site with a .htpasswd protected folder of a few hundred low resolution photos. My mistake with all that money and my relative youth was to spend it all. It was a hard lesson to learn, but being a pornographer didn't teach me that lesson, being business minded did. It's a mistake I just wasn't going to make again.

Admittedly you have an interesting past, but you've never demonstrated to anyone, that I have seen, that you've actually built something that will outlast you, that makes a difference or that is of tangible substance.

Pornographers, in the sense of the word you use it, rarely have the skills to turn their content into pure profit. That takes business people and contemporary business people understand the value of data driven strategies.

While you're taking the photos, the business people are testing, split testing, analysing, optimising until they have the right combination of content to make sales. Those sales are made based on careful analysis of what converts and what doesn't. Smart companies keep refining their processes until they can reasonably predict what will work, test it, prove it then implement it to turn profit.

Guys like CrakMedia have this down to a fine art. Mindgeek certainly do, they have so much data from Pornhub alone that they can test a campaign and know if it will work within an hour. Then they will squeeze every last cent out of the campaign making big big bucks.

You can tell the smart companies from the amateurs satisfying their personal little peccadilloes. The smart companies are big, employ lots of coders, designers, marketers, representatives, lawyers, accountants but where is the "pornographer" in all that ? He's not driving the success. Nobody will remember which guys photographed and filmed Bree Olson, but they'll remember Bree Olson. Why ? Because of smart companies marketing her.

You as the photographer know nothing except the couple of grand you might get for some exclusive content. However in your case it's being blown out by some wanker for $500 the lot. Some of it's on AdultCentro, which was a smart move on your part, because as critical I am of you even I have bought some - but as filler content - not as stuff that will make sales.

It's 2016 Paul, things have changed. You might have been a "pornographer" once but you have no idea what the Tinder generation want now. Even I don't profess to, which is why I make decisions based on the advice I seek out and the data I gather. Because frankly, data doesn't lie. You can have the most professionally shot content you can imagine and for some reason that emotion can't tell you it doesn't convert - but that data will tell you.

You got trolled son :2 cents:

Paul is a legend in is own mind.

No one knows what any private business' revenues or net income is.
You can only speculate -- so what the fuck is the point?

Show me the 10K or STFU
10K (is a quarterly US security exchange filing, other countries other names -- same thing )

Yep, I did. My bad. :1orglaugh

Paul, MFC isn't making the girls go naked. That's actually an absurd statement. It's the current race to the bottom global capitalistic system that's doing that, forcing most companies large and small to deliver more and more "value", while pricing remains constant.

Folks we have a winner!

Now get naked so you can add more value to this post. :)

This is where having a kid has benefited me greatly in knowing the communication methods / platforms that are trending and the ones going out of style and why. The days of getting sales through the old porn supply chains were gone for me years ago, yet people still pay for traffic, not knowing the source, & aggressively court affiliates to pay them half their profit, amazing.

Agree I made loads of money shooting for a part of the industry that made enough money to pay well for the product. I have no webmastering skills, I'm hopeless at all the links thing and putting up free porn, what else does a webmaster do?

No big secret I had a successful Content Store also.

Now that you finished with the hater, what else can you offer?

I see what you're saying and agree.

For 16 years the race has been on to see who can give away the most jerk offs for free. While the porn sales continue to decline and online non-porn sales grow.

I'm trying to discuss changing what we sell.

The girlfriend experience?

Examine who's advertising on Tubes to see who can monetise the traffic. How many are pornsites independent of the Tube owner. Affiliate sales are paid after the join and Tubes do need the best content to keep traffic levels higher than their competitors. Win-win for the paysite company and Tube owner.

I found this interesting.

Judging on what's liked the most on Tubes, what the top companies produce, the "Tinder Generation" want the same as their Dads did.

Does a credit card give the age of the buyer? If not it's impossible to pinpoint what an age group buys all we have is vague evidence. In 1990 we believed older men liked teens, leg sex, big tits, younger men bought Milf. Most liked amateur. It directed the way we shot the porn.

I suspect the Tinder Generation like free porn, does anyone have evidence of otherwise? Like more than 1% actually buy porn?

My approach now is guided by marketing data. 99.99% who want a quick jerk off won't pay for it. There's a portion of the market that wants more than a jerk off, we have to deliver the right product to that market.

Those who have replied so far are bent on slinging abuse, have nothing else to offer and need to be ignored.

Spot on.

As best as an online pre-recorded porn can offer.

A relationship with the model rather than the sex act.

No --100% on that.

Virtual prostitution? Well, cybersex for money is a more ''pc'' term ... :upsidedow

Translation: Smarter people than Paul Markham have explained why he is out of date and out of touch and those people have nothing to offer :1orglaugh

Tough job for anyone trying to identify the "Tinder Generation" and their porn consumption tastes.

I've seen little change in what people consume in the porn world. Apart from the quality of the image and the ability of micro niches to find an avenue to market. What I have seen is the decline of sales.

I see people in porn who need to see data to tell if a scene's any good. Have run out of new ideas and if they have nothing to offer, offer abuse and bullshit to stifle any kind of discussion.

Not according to some. Do I have an answer, well none of the abusers have a better one. Even with their data-driven ability.

The problem is that data from one's own site only tells them what they are doing. Their data is a record of what they have that works, it can't tell them what they need to change, only add more of the same. Every marketing man knows that and so would THE OWNER OF A BIG BUSINESS.

Should the big guys look at other site's data?

chaturbate.com - Alexa Rank History

http://traffic.alexa.com/graph?o=lt&...chaturbate.com

Global Rank 287
Rank in United States 249

myfreecams.com - Alexa Rank History

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/myfreecams.com

Global Rank 985
Rank in United States 578

Now examine the product.

https://chaturbate.com/teal_targaryen/

MyFreeCams.com - The #1 adult webcam community. Free live webcams and video-chat.

flirt4free.com Site Overview

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/camsoda.com

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/streamate.com

Just a few examples it needs more so maybe someone would like to find which site has the most talking models. Compared with sites that have none, these ones are streets ahead. Do we need to see the traffic of Third World Studios?:winkwink:

We do know that girls are earning more on these sites. Is that the fewer deductions or the more conversions? A pornographer can look at a scene and know which ones are the best, we have to before we pick up a camera and lay down money.

Which sites offer the best "Girlfriend Experience" for the viewer?

An essential part of marketing is testing different ideas of delivering a product. Obviously, people like free. Especially when it's better than what's paid for. So to coninue along those lines nothing will stop the decline.

No they haven't explained, they just say I'm out of date and touch.

I agree we don't have top site owners or pornographers in here explaining why the "Girlfriend Experience" will sell less. We do have a lot of nobodies just throwing abuse. Few have signatures.

bump.xxx Site Overview

http://traffic.alexa.com/graph?o=lt&...340&u=bump.xxx

Global Rank 12,984,133

pornblogs.xxx Site Overview

http://traffic.alexa.com/graph?o=lt&...=pornblogs.xxx

Global Rank 979,298
Rank in United States 587,700

http://bbspics.com/images/2016/07/24/facepalm-ernie.jpg

You seem to be very out of date and a number of people have pointed out where you're getting it wrong - but all of their opinions are irrelevant to you because they disagree with you.

Not sure what you're trying to prove there.

BUMP.XXX is a new site - obviously it will have no traffic.

Node.XXX is a new site - same as above.

PornBlogs.XXX main domain is really only visited by adult webmasters, so it will have little traffic. All of the traffic to PornBlogs.XXX is split between all the subdomain blogs on the platform and the top level domains which are pornblogs.xxx, pornblog.xxx, pornblogs.net, blogfap.com, pornblogs.sexy, myblog.xxx, myblog.sexy, pornblogs.sexy.

Considering there are hundreds of blogs each with their own subdomain of those top level domans you wouldn't expect the branded PornBlogs.XXX to have a high Alexa ranking because the only people who really visit that site are people setting up a blog on the platform.

There's been 231055 unique visits to the top level domain PornBlogs.XXX this month.

I think this is just another classic case of where you're demonstrating that you just don't understand how things work.

Paul that etch-a-sketch you're shaking isn't an iPad.
It won't reboot that way. :(

I expected more from you than that, really disapointed. Never knew you'd stoop so low.

What can I offer? Traffic, money, 21 years of success.

Your idea of 'loads' of money is probably quite different than mine, and if you have no skills and you know you have no skills, why the fuck don't you ever shut up?

Also, webmasters do a lot more than putting up links and free porn, and again, if you have to ask what more there is to it, then maybe you should be asking questions and trying to learn instead of trying to teach.

Because they're not trying to sell you anything and don't consider the $7.00/mth they might make off a signature worth the effort. You had to be told that?

If you spend $500 to $1000 a month like we do you can buy data (publicly compiled) on website comparative; age, location, income range, bounce rates, page views, time on site, organic and ad traffic, brand type in-traffic, domain link backs, and more -- the trick is YOU PAY for it like we do ;=).

I know the ratios for all my competitors by; ads, link ins, direct and social media. When you have looked at enough stats like I have -- you are able to trend and interpret the data. You think I got to to where I am because I don't have a fuckin' clue -- have you taken up smoking medical marijuana?

These very limited free stats you get Paul are very deceptive. They prove out nothing -- pure supposition.

A site can have gigantic traffic from 18-24 y.o. logging in from school and the site has shit for sales -- but LOTS of traffic -- oh WOW!

Bottom line, you can only guess at the profitability of a private company unless you have hacked (or had access to) their records or have some sort of other insider information. I try not to count the money in the next guys pocket because a lot of the time you will find you are very wrong.

Comparing public stock companies and trending them is a lot easier and can be very profitable too. A friend of mine plays the E-mini S&P 500 Futures for 2 to 5 minutes a day for 6 figures margin money. Some days he makes over $10K in a few minutes or he cuts and runs when things don't go his way. That is understanding the underlying trends :2 cents:

When I grow up :1orglaugh that is what I want to do too :thumbsup

Just was shocked at how such a big man would make a pathetic bunch of sites.

Yes you can offer all that by putting up a link to what you have.

OK put these stats up so we can see them.

Saying Chaturbate makes less money Xlovecam, is irrelevant. Millions are consuming on Chaturbate because they don't like Xlovecam. This has a huge effect on Xlovecam's income, also on the income of affiliates and the models. This makes your post nonsense.

So with all your data, tell us who gets the most traffic, what is different about the product that attracts people and why other sites are losing traffic.

What you do know from experience is the Xlovecam style of site can rarely earn enough to attract Western Models, models on Xlovecam have to work for different sites because one site can't provide enough, 90% of the girls have to share 20% of the revenue, after everyone else has taken a slice, the turnover in those girls is horrible. Number one reason is they don't earn enough. Number two is you can't or won't filter out idiot abusers.

With all your kickass data Xlovecam should be looking at replicating what others are doing. Because.

https://gfy.com/21059827-post1.html

Social media is booming, a new generation is addicted to viewing other people's lives like never before. Some Camsites have adapted away from the Third World Studio model. Those who are stuck with it can't pay Western Models enough to lure them in.

Sites that churn out anonymous porn similar to all the free videos on Tubes are finding it harder to convert. It seems every week we hear of more companies folding or not paying. Most definitely it's getting harder to sell pre-recorded anonymous porn. Because its main buying benefit, jerking off, is now free.

Cam Sites with girls talking to viewers are getting so much traffic, the Thirls World Studios have to be losing it. Because the constant growth of porn customers stopped 4-5 years ago. There's little more traffic growth inthe West, the new generation are more likely to be freeloaders than buyers. One doesn't need detailed stats to know the porn industry is declining and only those who do it right are going to survive.

Can people sell a model consumers empathise with easier than a model consumers have no clue about?

The composition of that picture is better than anything I've ever seen from you.

Because in addition to zero skills as a webmaster, you have no skills as a surfer and can't use a search engine, look at post history or find a profile page? Do you have to be spoonfed every simple step of the way?

It's similar to a standard pose I had to shoot for magazines. The ironic thing is, it's better than anything you or Manfap ever shot. LOL

You might as well say David Bailey is a better photographer than me.