I've never seen a pay site give away free porn.

All other forms of commercial pornography available on the net are supported by one or more monetisation models, be it ads, affiliate offers or direct payment to pay sites.

TGP sites were supported by ads and affiliate offers that surfers were directed to.

Tube sites are supported by ads and premium memberships.

Porn Blogs typically wouldn't exist without some form of monetisation.

There's a lot of porn on Tumblr, Twitter and other social platforms that may not be directly monetised but apart from hobbyist activity does contribute to an overall monetisation model.

Even porn shared on illegitimate porn forums is monetised by the posters links to file lockers or image hosting websites, which in turn have their own monetisation models.

The moment Joe Public hooked into the Internet it was inevitable that porn would become somewhat commoditised, just as most other forms of content have been.

One of my mainstream businesses sells information products. One particular product that comes to mind is an ebook to help people stop smoking. All of the information contained in that ebook is readily available online and for free - but we still sell the ebook, about 20 - 30 a day at $10 a pop.

It all comes down to making something conveniently available to a potential buyer and getting to them at the right stage of the online research process. Sure you can find all the information you need online, but sometimes people just want it prepackaged for them.

The same applies to porn. Met Art and sites of it's ilk would not be able to produce the voluminous amount of content that they do and pay for the huge infrastructure needed to support it unless they were making significant income.

I think your problem with all this Paul is that you don't understand current business models or the concept of disruption. The entertainment industries have grappled with the same pains as the porn industry, things have inevitably led to consolidation, freemium models and all you can eat subscription models. Piracy aside, the commercial sector of all of these industries has had to change from the old business models - because the consumer demanded it.

Paul -- just fucking do it.

Don't tell me what to do.

Show me what you can do with your own resources.
Impress us Paul with deeds not walls of text telling everyone the right way to do business.

NO SALE!
Invest in your own business if you are up to it.
Who is going to inherit all the Markham real estate from your wife?
Yesterday's small time hero. Good for you.

We bought a registry a digital property (personal property) nation.
I think we will buy traffic and funnel to a company owned webcam tube. We have thousands of amateur videos that our models has said we could use.
We do things.

If you could generate such great converting traffic you would be doing it.

hahaha he got you guys good!!!!

Good summation.
Business models have changed and most of the old timer porn folks are out of business or just getting by.

What do you mean -- look at the page views.

We are just feeding the troll to our own purposes at this point:2 cents:

JT from rusefull cash was the biggest cheerleader on giving away free porn. He specifically mentioned make it longer, at least 10 minutes, unique, hd, etc. Etc. And upload it to manwin tubes so you could become a top studio on the tubes and become rich...

... then he sold to manwin.

Yep I got sucked in again :1orglaugh

So that worked then. Just proves what you can do if you push against existing business models. Also I don't think he sold to Manwin, last I heard Manwin just manage the properties while JT concentrates on building the business. That may have changed since last year but regardless, JT isn't going hungry now is he ?

It worked because he created youporn in 2005 and had his foot in the door since the beginning. It was his job to push the tube concept after he sold youporn to manwin. Just ask the Porn Nerd how much money he is making off of the tubes. He, and whoever he hires to upload, how much is he making? Can't think of a better candidate to answer the question. Remember, JT boasted that in his first year he broke 1 million in sales and it was all due to tube uploading. So maybe he was around 3 million per year or whatever. Porn Nerd, you doing 3 million a year from tube uploads? You have way more content then JT and you likely upload a shit ton more then he ever did.

JT got so much free tube space because of who he was, not because of his content. Having 100's of millions of eyeballs on your shit monthly made the sales. You cannot expand his succcess and replicate with others as it's not scale-able for the masses.

And JT was contracted to produce the content for whatever period of time and I'm sure that time is up and JT is completely out. Good for him, got in, got out, ventures on but likely not in adult as it's been trampled.

Oh.. there is money in adult for sure. But it ain't in a paysite model uploading to tubes for sales, that's for certain.

Best in the webcam business -- how do you know who is making what?

Show me P&L statements -- that is the only proof I will accept.

I already told you choose a cam website that has the Markham seal of approval and test the idea there. I could care less where.

Streamray has had a studio in Las Vegas since day 1 c. 1996? The studio operating statement is part the consolidated case filed with the US Bankruptcy court showing the expenses and revenue for one month for that studio. Oh yeah, they were a profitable part of the FFN Ch11 -- if you want some idea of what you are getting into -- retrieve the documents at Pacer: Case 13-12434-CSS. Streamray Studios, Inc Case 13-12435-CSS

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You really are clueless. I know all that and have stated it over and over again. I'm suggesting that instead of selling what everyone is giving away for free. We sell the person in the sex scene rather than the sex act. It won't appeal to everyone, but it will appeal to some.

Your problem is you're just a webmaster. I cannot see the owner of a large company being this clueless and certainly not wasting time trolling on a subject he's clueless about. Stick to webcasting and programming.

What I'm proposing is a new development in the webcam business. You're the one sticking to yesterday's model of webcamming.

As for most of the old timers out of the business, yes we were able to make enough to retire. As for getting by. You don't have a clue about my income. I can see by the different quality of porn what attracts the most people. By the quality of models, I can tell who makes the most.

You couldn't make enough to keep your US studio open. So had to go to the Third World where wages were lower. Even so, 90% of your girls only get to share 20% of the sites income and have to work for other webcam sites. These are you words.

The statements you're making are doing you no good at all. Stop saying you can't do what others are, 90% of your girls don't earn much, they came and go with the wind, can't convert Tube traffic, can't make it pay with Western Models, etc. People are reading this and thinking you're not the site to promote.

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For a tiny few Tubes are a great business. The vast majority scrape by or are leaving mainstream porn. The entire porn industry has lost. But that's business. I'm suggesting people expand on a method that's already working. Barry and Porn Nerd and a few more can't do this, AK is trolling he has nothing to do with porn content. He claims to own a big business, but spends time looking like an affiliate webmaster.

Wrong again Paul.

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Best for the consumer. Who already have the idea.

So you're saying the idea of webcam sites making enough money to pay Western girls is wrong.

That could be right. The concept of Western girls earning enough when freelance is flourishing.

So why can't your style of studios make enough to hire and run a better class of product?

Prove it. And before you reply you have nothing to prove to me, this isn't a private conversation.

I see you with sites that don't look like they're from a CEO of a big business, asking for solo girls sites with affiliate programs with lots of content, so you do have something to do with content. :1orglaugh

A Search Engine with no clue how to get people to use it and a poor reason for them to leave Google and use yours.

None of these will make the money the CEO of a large company wants. You spend a lot of time trolling me, a CEO hasn't got the time to waste, an affiliate does.

You definitely don't understand the concept of changing a marketing ploy to attract a sector of the market, that wants more than a 20 jerk off for free. If you claim it doesn't work, then you don't understand the porn or adult business.

I have nothing to prove to you and this is not a private conversation :1orglaugh

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Testing me AdultKing Search tool. Found a lot more interesting posts.

https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...ute-teens.html Blasts from the past. How many are left?

Thanks for all the page views and affiliate program sign ups Paul -- this thread was gold -- throw the troll a cookie.

You don't know what I have planned Paul.

But FYI, we send out 7 figures in payments to affiliates/models and studios every month -- Some studio's paychecks in 2 weeks could buy your house/apt -- WTF? Furthermore, we don't send you a dime. But, thanks for the free advertising you have been trumped.

301 reasons bullshit shows.

No one knows what you send out unless you can show your audited account.

I asked a very important question which you ignored.

Why is it so hard for the webcam studio model, to earn enough to pay Western girls?

We know Western Girls are webcamming, we know the sites with them are getting more traffic, we know they want more than Third World girls. So why can't you afford them?

Thanks for proving me right, I couldn't be bothered.

I have been licensing and having custom content created for my sites since 1995. So for you to suggest I don't deal with content is just stupidity on your part. Especially when I have licensed content that I have purchased from you in the past and more recently from you via AdultCentro.

As always, you just end up contradicting yourself.

Because it is not 1999 and the prices of a private are $4-$6/min.
The easy pickins are gone.
Running a porn business in the USA is problematic from the point legal requirements. Free-lancers is the only way to go in the USA or Canada. As far as other native English speaking countries I will defer to persons in AU GB NZ etc.

Why don't you return to the UK and open a studio?
Or open a studio in Prague where there is a large population pool that will work for 1/3 of the wages in the USA or Western Europe -- teach your models better English. Build cubicles that are separated with hollow walls and install windows -- light them correctly for the correct time zones you want https://gfy.com/images/icons/lightbulbdg.gif

Boom -- that model looks like she is in California, London or Sidney. If she talks the talk and looks like she is in the right place --WTF-- we sell fantacyland anyway.


Why don't you spend $500 and buy credits on various cam sites and report back to us here? See what you are charged and who and what you get for your money?

You might begin to understand what you are talking about instead of shooting your mouth off with no factual knowledge. If $500.00 is too much for you to invest in exploring a business' viability -- you are hopeless.

Why don't you do something if you think you can reinvent the wheel?

Just showing your claim about running a big company is bullshit.

As for buying content for failed paysites making you an expert on porn content. :1orglaugh

At last you admit it's better for English Speaking girls not to join studios.

When will you get it that I have no need to work? Unless that's a standard reply to avoid the proper one.

Wxactly so building the fantasy beyond the cubicles you have girls in. Will sell more.

I don't need to buy time with porn models to know what sells to the guys looking for fantasy.

I know for fact girls who speak the language of the customer will earn more your Third World girls, you just confirmed it. Thank you for answering my question about why you can't attract First World Girls.

Are webmasters better off doing deals with select freelance models to spearhead their promotion and bring in more whales than Third World studios? Or is it so easy the First World girls can do it themselves?

You are working running your mouth off.

Clueless. :2 cents:

This is why we shouldn;t listen to webmasters when they lecture us about porn.

We've now established that girls who can and do talk to their customers sell better than those who don't. It follows that the more one knows about those girls, the more she will appeal to viewers. More than some girl from let's say Russian doing the same porn scene every other girl does.

I learned this 25 years ago when selling porn the UK. Because the girls who couldn't talk well to camera were harder to sell than those who could do it well as this is a good way to involve the viewer into the action happening on screen.

There are many ways to expand this by getting the model or someone posing as her to tweet, post on FB about their life. What;s essential is the model must create content outside her porn scenes about herself and her life. She's creating herself into a personality. Consumer recognition starts and grows the more successful the marketing is.

This isn't for everyone and that's the best thing about it, if everyone does it, it's the norm. Imagine being the only site with HD porn. Those who can't, so what.

For webcams, this is essential for those who want the big money customers. For paysites, it just means more joins. For affiliates, they have content that's superior to those who don't do it. It's not jerk off material, it's marketing material.

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And the bigger the experience the more the sales.

See, smart fella that AdultKing. He was saying in 2003 what it took Paul Markham until 2016 to start a seven page thread about - with one exception - he said it's the webmasters who need to build the experience for the surfer, which is still true today.

Without the Internet marketers or the webmasters you can have the best content in the world and nobody will get to see it because people like you don't know how to get content in front of the surfer.

When Paul Markham tried to step in to the role of webmaster this is what happened:

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I was never a webmaster, the pay's too low.

I was marketing products long before I got into porn, while in porn offline and carried on marketing online.

You claimed to own a big Australian company and now been exposed as a loser webmaster/programmer.

You're now trolling thread about a subject you think is good. So not very good at trolling.

The bonus of this method is few can use it, the people who do win, the rest lose.

Affiliates can pre-sell a model rather than a site. The webmastering part of getting the traffic remains the same. What webmasters must not do is get involved in the creation of the product and stay out of all discussions on it. It will and always has been a problem keeping trolls out of threads where they have nothing of worth to add.

The improvement for affiliates is when a surfer lands on their site, he sees more than the usual stuff everyone else has. These are suggestions, an interview with the model or interviews explaining who she is, what she does, why she likes it, and so on there are so many things she can talk about. Behind the Scenes stuff of her, selfies at work, selfie videos after a great day or scene.

I was using this as a marketing tool back in the 90s. Shoot a small clip of the girl after the day's work is done telling people what fun it was. Compile a sample video and sell it to old customers and new ones.

There's nothing revolutionary about this. The change is you're actually selling the girl in a better way than text, picture or video of her fucking.

It's also making the site more appealing and will increase bookmarking numbers. The sites using this method have more reasons for surfers to return to. More reasons to stop to look and listen to the girls. Or guys. Even if they don't lie the first girl, they might like te second one and so on. Those who want a 20-minute jerk off aren't the target market.

There's no great skill in creating the content, the more real it is, the better. A little direction from a marketing man who understands his market, customers and models is essential. So no good for Barry who thinks he needs to employ me because he can't do it. :winkwink:

This can be done for webcam models as well. All they need is to speak good English.

You :2 cents: are :2 cents: clueless :2 cents: :2 cents:

Where do you think the investment came from to build Node.XXX ?

How do you think dozens of servers are paid for every month ?

What makes you think you know what websites I own and what I don't ? How do you measure my footprint in adult when only a few of my properties are openly advertised ?

And just because I won't directly link to my mainstream enterprises from GFY doesn't make you the expert on my business affairs.

I've been starting, running and selling adult businesses since the late 1980s. I've been involved in service delivery, physical adult product sales, magazines, mail order, video sales, brothels, dating, phone sex and websites.

While you might have linked to some examples where I have been exasperated at the state of the industry at various times, I'm still in it - unlike you who flunked out years ago. :2 cents:

Your legacy in porn is your whole content library available for peanuts.

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For webcams, this is essential for those who want the big money customers.

We have customers that have been customers for years and have spent 1000's. But the Great Paul Markham says we don't know what we are doing -- generating millions of euros a month is nothing compared to a GFY broke-dick shooting his mouth off -- isn't the Internet fun?

The is nothing stopping affiliates from creating compelling marketing referral content -- we provide a lot of content that is taken from our website -- this is what the models and studios make available.

As far as speaking English -- they should study English to a more advanced level if their native language is Romanian or Spanish -- if the want a better foothold in that market.

Most understand basic English and the customers' chat is not usually that complex. I have heard the Czech girls speak English LOLZ and I am sure your Czech models spoke perfect English ...

It is not my job or obligation to pay for contractors' English lessons. If studios want to to have the service of the Markham Marketing System they can pay for it out of their own pocket (*revenue-share).

Go talk to some studios or herd your own cats and teach them your way -- you can be a disruptive sales and marketing program innovator -- but I would expect you to fall flat on your face because you think you know it all and as my Uncle once said to me "If you build your house on sand the foundation will not last long."

Bottom line, keep yapping you are hitting on some points like 10% the rest is total bullshit -- typical Markham.

Paul let me ask you a serious question: how uch money do you think a "webmaster" makes selling porn? How much do you think I make selling porn?

You always say being a Webmaster doesn't pay enough yet how do you know HOW much a Webmaster makes?

Personally I think you just think everyone in this thread is NOT successful so you can feel better about your arguments. It's rather silly Sir.

Not as much as a pornographer.

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We had customers that were customers for years and spent $1000's. Edited to show what happens to those who don't adapt. Happens to every.

Agree there's nothing stopping affiliates creating great content. What's stopping you from doing it? The stuff you give affiliates is poor.

And from here on I know I'm dealing with a rep who has no power or someone who's so stuck in yesterday's model. It makes me look like the progressive and you a dinosaur.

The business is constantly evolving. The new webcam model is the present and will be the only one in the future. Affiliates who send get traffic will soon know if what content gets the best customers and what sites convert bes.

Which takes us back to the loyalty question. How loyal will old customers and affiliates be once they find something better?

So adapting is paramount. Once we see those stats fall we have to analyse why they're falling. Look at where the traffic is going because overall porn traffic does nothing but grow as populations grow. Webmasters is a term I used for those who have no real knowledge of porn, porn consumers or the people creating it. I can look at a site and see why it converts great, or why it fails miserably. I had to as a producer who spent money a lot of money up front. With no guaranty "traffic" would lead to a profit. 2003 if one couldn't make a paysite work, one was a fuck up.

Stats will tell you a site is getting less popular, not converting like it used to why the site's failing. Why more traffic that doesn't buy isn't the solution. Getting a better mousetrap is the solution once one knows how to drive traffic. There's the problem, that requires knowledge and money and some webmasters don't know enough or earn enough. To get a bettre mouse trap.

See that right there is a snarky answer Paul. It was a serious question and you could not answer it.

According to Paul Markham the only people who understand porn are pornographers.
There are not any 'pornographers' left except....Paul Markham!!

Convenient circular logic.

THIS is why no one truly respects your views and will not hire you as a Consultant. You pontificate without any real knowledge or data and when asked a serious question you act like a teenager in the schoolyard.

A porn Webmaster can earn low-to-mid (to sometimes high) six figures a year (or more). That is more than you make now, made then or have EVER made in your entire working life Paul.

Bye.