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j3rkules 08-03-2016 01:51 AM

Post more details, proofs.

vano 08-03-2016 03:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jerkules (Post 21078082)
Post more details, proofs.

http://i.imgur.com/gzi8Y6Wh.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/ihdNFh5h.jpg

After i transferred the domains to them i haven't heard back, despite numerous tries to contact them. My account is still disabled.

brassmonkey 08-03-2016 03:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vano (Post 21078193)
http://i.imgur.com/gzi8Y6Wh.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/ihdNFh5h.jpg

After i transferred the domains to them i haven't heard back, despite numerous tries to contact them. My account is still disabled.

you should not be bringing this shit here till the legal side is done. :2 cents::2 cents: you worried about rebills while they are trying to put out the fires you started! :helpme:helpme

vano 08-03-2016 04:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 21078208)
you should not be bringing this shit here till the legal side is done. :2 cents::2 cents: you worried about rebills while they are trying to put out the fires you started! :helpme:helpme

There is no legal side, it was all bullshit to terminate my account and pocket the rebills.

Once they had my domains they just stopped replying. I never received the DMCA copy despite numerous requests. It's been more than 2 weeks now since last correspondence.

Bladewire 08-03-2016 04:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog (Post 21078052)
What shady history? - You keep on with this shit - Even accusing me of stealing your content...

Keep your gob shut or I will dig that up and stir some shit - OK?....

See, you're shady as fuck :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:thumbsup

woj 08-03-2016 06:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kane (Post 21077770)
I've been around long enough to know that when one of these threads pop up typically we are not getting the entire story.

:thumbsup

without knowing the url it's impossible to know what actually happened here...

but using copyrighted content is no joke... it isn't quite "I'll use whatever I want, then when I get a DMCA notice, I'll take it down"... DMCA only applies in certain pretty narrow cases, it's easiest and cheapest way to get infringing content down, that's why it's most popular...

but when dealing with deep pockets like mr skin, sueing or threatening to sue is 100x better... now mr skin has to pay $750/hr lawyer to prove that DMCA / fair use / etc applies in this case... so no wonder they are a bit displeased...

DVTimes 08-03-2016 06:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kane (Post 21077770)
I've been around long enough to know that when one of these threads pop up typically we are not getting the entire story.

My thoughts too.

vano 08-03-2016 06:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by woj (Post 21078355)
but when dealing with deep pockets like mr skin, sueing or threatening to sue is 100x better... now mr skin has to pay $750/hr lawyer to prove that DMCA / fair use / etc applies in this case... so no wonder they are a bit displeased...

woj, you got it all wrong.

It was ME who was allegedly using copyrighted content. Not MrSkin.
So if the lawsuit ever came forward it would be ME under fire, not MrSkin.
And the DMCA should have been directed at ME and not MrSkin (like i said, i doubt very much there ever was one).

They even got this covered in their terms, that in any possible event the affiliate takes all blame:

http://i.imgur.com/0vZZKS3.png
https://www.mrskincash.com/terms

Anyway, when I was sending them shitloads of traffic they didn't have any problems. They would say "please remove this" or "please remove that". They only got butthurt to the point of closing the account when I stopped sending them traffic and was getting rebills (which they didn't want to pay).

DVTimes 08-03-2016 06:37 AM

Can people stop jumping to conclusions.

Some have stated MrSkin steals content. Non of us know his deal with the film firms, and I do not think we have the right to ask MrSkin to post hiss business dealings. To be honest its not of any of your business. Promote MrSkin or not, its up to you. I do and I get sales.

Just because you may or may not promote MrSkin does not give you the right to talk about how he does business with film firms.

Lets be honest, IF he was stealing the film firms would have shut him down and sued him for Zillions. Lets put it this was in Leeds a pizza owner many years ago had a pizza joint named after his favorite film. They made him change the name. So if they can find a tiny pizza shop in the middle of no place (and that was before the internet so they were not googling his name) I am more than sure the know about MrSkin.

For all we know MrSkin may pay a licence fee, or its just great publicity for the film firms. But its none of our business.

But as for Vano. I cannot be bothered to read your posts. BUT......

This is a BIG BUT....

If you have misused pics or vids or a domain name from a film star, then to be honest you bloody stupid and no wonder your account on MrSkin was shut. Do you think they are going to risk upsetting film firms are film stars who provide him/his site with content just to keep you happy? Of course not.

If I was running a business and my best mate or a family member was working for me, but I found out they were being a prat and put the business at risk, I would get rid. You just cannot risk things.

Also in your first post you stated it had MrSkin in your domain name!!!!

That's rule 1 of promoting any site is you DO NOT USE there domain name in any way. That alone would get your account shut. If you had done that with playboy, I suspect not only your account shut but you would be sued too.

If I was MrSkin, I would be showing his lawyers your post and see if there were grounds to sue you for slander. If I was you I would think carefully before you post any more about MrSkin.

Google Expert 08-03-2016 06:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DVTimes (Post 21078394)
Lets be honest, IF he was stealing the film firms would have shut him down and sued him for Zillions

I know, right? Same as porn producers shutting down the Tubes that constantly steal content. Oh wait...


Quote:

Originally Posted by DVTimes (Post 21078394)
For all we know MrSkin may pay a licence fee

What a tupid motherfuck you are

:1orglaugh

vano 08-03-2016 06:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DVTimes (Post 21078364)
My thoughts too.

I would gladly hear their side of the story, but so far their silence is deafening.

Even though they've been monitoring this board since yesterday.


Quote:

Originally Posted by DVTimes (Post 21078394)
But as for Vano. I cannot be bothered to read your posts. BUT......

Then shut your gob.

woj 08-03-2016 06:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vano (Post 21078382)
woj, you got it all wrong.

It was ME who was allegedly using copyrighted content. Not MrSkin.
So if the lawsuit ever came forward it would be ME under fire, not MrSkin.
And the DMCA should have been directed at ME and not MrSkin (like i said, i doubt very much there ever was one).

They even got this covered in their terms, that in any possible event the affiliate takes all blame:

http://i.imgur.com/0vZZKS3.png
https://www.mrskincash.com/terms

Anyway, when I was sending them shitloads of traffic they didn't have any problems. They would say "please remove this" or "please remove that". They only got butthurt to the point of closing the account when I stopped sending them traffic and was getting rebills (which they didn't want to pay).

it sounds like you were using domain confusingly similar to mrskin, for example mrskinblog.com, full of mrskin links, banners, etc on it... the copyright holder probably assumed mrskin owns it, that's why mrskin is taking heat, not you...

also, if lawsuit came forward, it would be mrskin under fire, they are indirectly participating in all this and making money from it, plus they are the ones with $$$, not you... it would be pointless to sue you...

vano 08-03-2016 06:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by woj (Post 21078424)
it sounds like you were using domain confusingly similar to mrskin

No, it was completely unrelated domain. The domain with "mrskin" in it came up later, when they started digging for what could possibly be used to terminate my account.


Quote:

Originally Posted by woj (Post 21078424)
ialso, if lawsuit came forward, it would be mrskin under fire, they are indirectly participating in all this and making money from

No. I was infringing the alleged copyright, not them. I was making money off of that allegedly copyrighted content.

Also, I already pointed out their terms. Affiliate is always to blame no matter what.

DVTimes 08-03-2016 06:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vano (Post 21078382)
woj, you got it all wrong.

It was ME who was allegedly using copyrighted content. Not MrSkin.
So if the lawsuit ever came forward it would be ME under fire, not MrSkin.
And the DMCA should have been directed at ME and not MrSkin (like i said, i doubt very much there ever was one).

They even got this covered in their terms, that in any possible event the affiliate takes all blame:

http://i.imgur.com/0vZZKS3.png
https://www.mrskincash.com/terms

Anyway, when I was sending them shitloads of traffic they didn't have any problems. They would say "please remove this" or "please remove that". They only got butthurt to the point of closing the account when I stopped sending them traffic and was getting rebills (which they didn't want to pay).


Your jumping to conclusions.

The film company or whoever may have for all you know contacted MrSkin and stated they were not happy.

But as I say, if I was advising you, I would be saying that posting in a public forum that MrSkin are 'scumbags' and everything else you have stated they are (I presume they have your name and address on file too), is probably not a good idea.

Its one thing to ask us if we think you broke the rules or not, and if your account should be closed, but its another to post that the firm MrSkin is this and that.

As I say, I would think hard about your next posts.

DVTimes 08-03-2016 06:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Muad'Dib (Post 21078412)
I know, right? Same as porn producers shutting down the Tubes that constantly steal content. Oh wait...




What a tupid motherfuck you are

:1orglaugh

Are you this stupid?

Do you know how quick a film or TV firm can sue and get a site shut down.

And there is a difference between porn and film firms. One has millions of pounds to sue you and the other tends not to have.

DVTimes 08-03-2016 06:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by woj (Post 21078424)
it sounds like you were using domain confusingly similar to mrskin, for example mrskinblog.com, full of mrskin links, banners, etc on it... the copyright holder probably assumed mrskin owns it, that's why mrskin is taking heat, not you...

also, if lawsuit came forward, it would be mrskin under fire, they are indirectly participating in all this and making money from it, plus they are the ones with $$$, not you... it would be pointless to sue you...

And that's it.

vano 08-03-2016 07:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DVTimes (Post 21078463)
But as I say, if I was advising you, I would be saying that posting in a public forum that MrSkin are 'scumbags' is probably not a good idea.

Dully noted. Now piss off.

Go harass Gary or something. This thread is clearly beyond your comprehension.

DVTimes 08-03-2016 07:01 AM

Vano, just move on.

You made some money (great).

You fucked up by using MrSkin in a domain name (very few sites will let you do that), and your account was shut (again most firms would close your account and demand the domain name in that situation).

This feels like 2001, as I read the same stuff back then.

Almost each year something like this.

DVTimes 08-03-2016 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vano (Post 21078493)
Dully noted. Now piss off.

Go harass Gary or something. This thread is clearly beyond your comprehension.

Your right.

I am the one who was so stupid as to use MrSkin in a domain name and think I could get away with it, then when found out and account shut, cried on gfy.com.

Oh, right. That was you, not me.

I am the one who promotes MrSkin correctly and enjoys the re-bills.

Sucks to be you.

vano 08-03-2016 07:05 AM

woj: another point is that they shut my account down because i didn't exclusively use their äpproved" content.

Yet, they don't have any problems spamming high-traffic celebrity websites asking to join their program.

Here's a screenshot from when they spammed one of my websites:

http://i.imgur.com/77gT7dE.png


Quote:

Originally Posted by DVTimes (Post 21078502)
I am the one who was so stupid as to use MrSkin in a domain name and think I could get away with it, then when found out and account shut, cried on gfy.com.

It was a completely different domain, you fucking retard. Read the thread before you pull your :2 cents: out of your ass.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DVTimes (Post 21078502)
I am the one who promotes MrSkin correctly and enjoys the re-bills.

Sucks to be you.

Yeah, stop sending them traffic and see what happens to "your" rebills.

DVTimes 08-03-2016 07:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vano (Post 21078514)
woj: another point is that they shut my account down because i didn't exclusively use their äpproved" content.

Yet, they don't have any problems spamming high-traffic celebrity websites asking to join their program.

Here's a screenshot from when they spammed one of my websites:

http://i.imgur.com/77gT7dE.png



It was a completely different domain, you fucking retard. Read the thread before you pull your :2 cents: out of your ass.


Yeah, stop sending them traffic and see what happens to "your" rebills.

Well your smarter than me.

I am off now to have a bath in all the money I have made from MrSkin, and still make.

I end up not knowing what to do with all this cash as you get so much of it from MrSkin.

As you say I am a retard, but this retard still has his MrSkin account.

As I say, sucks to be you.

wehateporn 08-03-2016 07:38 AM

How much were the rebills worth?

woj 08-03-2016 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vano (Post 21078514)
woj: another point is that they shut my account down because i didn't exclusively use their äpproved" content.

Yet, they don't have any problems spamming high-traffic celebrity websites asking to join their program.

Here's a screenshot from when they spammed one of my websites:

http://i.imgur.com/77gT7dE.png

I don't really know the whole story and don't really care much either way, but like someone said earlier, generally affiliate programs don't shut down accounts for no reason...

based on what you said it sounds like they are taking heat, and so they need to throw someone under the bus to legally protect themselves: "that was an affiliate, we shut down his account, sorry"...

hopefully you can get this issue resolved with them though...

vano 08-03-2016 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 21078592)
How much were the rebills worth?

About $600 per month.

Quote:

Originally Posted by woj
based on what you said it sounds like they are taking heat, and so they need to throw someone under the bus to legally protect themselves: "that was an affiliate, we shut down his account, sorry"... hopefully you can get this issue resolved with them though...

Screw them. I've already written this off as collateral damage for working in a hi-risk niche.

I'm ust posting here to warn others what shady assholes MrSkin are. People can decide for themselves to heed my advice or not, i don't care.


Quote:

Originally Posted by DVTimes (Post 21078538)
Well your smarter than me.

Any 5'th grader who knows the difference between "your" and "you're" is smarter than you.


Quote:

Originally Posted by DVTimes (Post 21078538)
I am off now to have a bath in all the money I have made from MrSkin, and still make.

I end up not knowing what to do with all this cash as you get so much of it from MrSkin.

As you say I am a retard, but this retard still has his MrSkin account.

As I say, sucks to be you.

MrSkin can keep their rebills. I already got a deal with TabloidDollars.com that Jimmy suggested, and i'm getting $35 PPS with no hold, at x4 times better ratios.

Keep drinking the kool aid, bro.

celandina 08-03-2016 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by charlie g (Post 21078067)
please...

I shoot content and am not a webmaster so I dont have a dog in the fight. I dont care how many affiliates you fuck over, but I can tell by your tone you have little respect for the people trying to peddle your shit

.

We shoot the content, run the site where it is sold from and the ONLY people who peddle our shit are thieves, pirates and those like you who think that they are entitled to make money of others people creativity ......and that DOES include Mr.Skin.

Brian8377 08-03-2016 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DVTimes (Post 21078394)
Can people stop jumping to conclusions.

Some have stated MrSkin steals content. Non of us know his deal with the film firms, and I do not think we have the right to ask MrSkin to post hiss business dealings. To be honest its not of any of your business. Promote MrSkin or not, its up to you. I do and I get sales.

Just because you may or may not promote MrSkin does not give you the right to talk about how he does business with film firms.

Lets be honest, IF he was stealing the film firms would have shut him down and sued him for Zillions. Lets put it this was in Leeds a pizza owner many years ago had a pizza joint named after his favorite film. They made him change the name. So if they can find a tiny pizza shop in the middle of no place (and that was before the internet so they were not googling his name) I am more than sure the know about MrSkin.

For all we know MrSkin may pay a licence fee, or its just great publicity for the film firms. But its none of our business.

But as for Vano. I cannot be bothered to read your posts. BUT......

This is a BIG BUT....

If you have misused pics or vids or a domain name from a film star, then to be honest you bloody stupid and no wonder your account on MrSkin was shut. Do you think they are going to risk upsetting film firms are film stars who provide him/his site with content just to keep you happy? Of course not.

If I was running a business and my best mate or a family member was working for me, but I found out they were being a prat and put the business at risk, I would get rid. You just cannot risk things.

Also in your first post you stated it had MrSkin in your domain name!!!!

That's rule 1 of promoting any site is you DO NOT USE there domain name in any way. That alone would get your account shut. If you had done that with playboy, I suspect not only your account shut but you would be sued too.

If I was MrSkin, I would be showing his lawyers your post and see if there were grounds to sue you for slander. If I was you I would think carefully before you post any more about MrSkin.

clueless

noshit 08-03-2016 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vano (Post 21077995)
If they want to keep your rebills, they will make up a reason to terminate you. Here, their ToS basically say that they can terminate you if they feel like it:

https://www.mrskincash.com/terms

http://i.imgur.com/HTeidP9.png

All i did was promote them for years. Then some magical complain happened that they refuse to show. Then they terminate my account.

Ok, lets assume they don't want me promoting them anymore. But why steal my rebills money?

Well all I can say is they never screwed me, but now I will take your situation into consideration :thumbsup

.

CaptainHowdy 08-03-2016 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noshit (Post 21079531)
Well all I can say is they never screwed me, but now I will take your situation into consideration :thumbsup

.

Better safe than sorry.

Speigelau 08-03-2016 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog (Post 21078052)
What shady history? - .

"I see nothing wrong with AFF stealing affiliate traffic, they are a solid company..."

vano 08-05-2016 05:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy (Post 21079540)
Better safe than sorry.

This.

There are good alternatives to MrSkin (hell, anything converts better than MrSkin)

xxxpwnage 08-05-2016 07:55 AM

Shock horror shady goings on in pornland!

Seriously though any cunt that doesn't pay up should get flayed.

j3rkules 08-05-2016 08:01 AM

Surprised there is no response yet from mrskin team...

Sam - Mr. Skin 08-05-2016 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jerkules (Post 21083776)
Surprised there is no response yet from mrskin team...

I've been in New York for Affiliate Summit and just finally have had time to address this...

This will be my one reply to this thread. I'll provide the facts and our perspective on the matter and the fine people of GFY can make their own decisions. I think our 17 years in business and stellar reputation with affiliates speaks for itself. Do some digging in the GFY archives and see what you find.

We were implicated in a copyright infringement claim due to the OP using glamour photography of celebs to promote MrSkin.com. To clarify, it wasn?t a DMCA notice, but a straight cease and desist letter from the photographer?s lawyer (DMCA notices are only for user-generated content). On his site, as you can see in the screenshot below, the OP was (and still is) insinuating that we had scanned photographs on our site which we don't. We only post screencaps and clips from film and television. He is also using our trademark on these pages, giving the impression that we own the website. Both of these actions clearly violate our terms.

Once we dug into his account we also found out that he was sending traffic from domains which contained our trademark which is another blatant violation of our terms. As anyone who runs a large affiliate program knows, it's nearly impossibly to monitor every referring url which is why we weren't aware of these issues previously.

The OP did transfer the domains containing our trademark, obviously hoping to get his account unbanned as has been mentioned in this thread. However, he has failed to remove all infringing content, including on the specific page in question. The link and screenshot below prove that. At this point there is no reason for us to un-ban his account as he's blatantly disregarded our terms, abused our trademark for his profit, cost us legal fees, and since being contacted and banned has done basically nothing to truly rectify the problem.

If any affiliates would like any other questions answered, feel free to contact me or any of our representatives directly. We are always available and happy to help.

Jolene Blalock - Free Nude Celebrities at CelebSkin.net

https://s32.postimg.org/7ilx4as6d/Pa...4_05_37_PM.png

j3rkules 08-05-2016 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam - Mr. Skin (Post 21083917)
I've been in New York for Affiliate Summit and just finally have had time to address this...

This will be my one reply to this thread. I'll provide the facts and our perspective on the matter and the fine people of GFY can make their own decisions. I think our 17 years in business and stellar reputation with affiliates speaks for itself. Do some digging in the GFY archives and see what you find.

We were implicated in a copyright infringement claim due to the OP using glamour photography of celebs to promote MrSkin.com. To clarify, it wasn?t a DMCA notice, but a straight cease and desist letter from the photographer?s lawyer (DMCA notices are only for user-generated content). On his site, as you can see in the screenshot below, the OP was (and still is) insinuating that we had scanned photographs on our site which we don't. We only post screencaps and clips from film and television. He is also using our trademark on these pages, giving the impression that we own the website. Both of these actions clearly violate our terms.

Once we dug into his account we also found out that he was sending traffic from domains which contained our trademark which is another blatant violation of our terms. As anyone who runs a large affiliate program knows, it's nearly impossibly to monitor every referring url which is why we weren't aware of these issues previously.

The OP did transfer the domains containing our trademark, obviously hoping to get his account unbanned as has been mentioned in this thread. However, he has failed to remove all infringing content, including on the specific page in question. The link and screenshot below prove that. At this point there is no reason for us to un-ban his account as he's blatantly disregarded our terms, abused our trademark for his profit, cost us legal fees, and since being contacted and banned has done basically nothing to truly rectify the problem.

If any affiliates would like any other questions answered, feel free to contact me or any of our representatives directly. We are always available and happy to help.

Jolene Blalock - Free Nude Celebrities at CelebSkin.net

https://s32.postimg.org/7ilx4as6d/Pa...4_05_37_PM.png

:thumbsup

ianmoone332000 08-05-2016 11:20 AM

Vano you got owned ( BTW your site is fucking hideous ) haha

kane 08-05-2016 05:47 PM

A bump for the truth.

brassmonkey 08-05-2016 06:17 PM

go back and look at my post. i said they were taking the heat directly because they have the bigger wallet :2 cents::2 cents:

xXXtesy10 08-05-2016 06:51 PM


xXXtesy10 08-05-2016 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam - Mr. Skin (Post 21083917)
I've been in New York for Affiliate Summit and just finally have had time to address this...

This will be my one reply to this thread. I'll provide the facts and our perspective on the matter and the fine people of GFY can make their own decisions. I think our 17 years in business and stellar reputation with affiliates speaks for itself. Do some digging in the GFY archives and see what you find.

We were implicated in a copyright infringement claim due to the OP using glamour photography of celebs to promote MrSkin.com. To clarify, it wasn’t a DMCA notice, but a straight cease and desist letter from the photographer’s lawyer (DMCA notices are only for user-generated content). On his site, as you can see in the screenshot below, the OP was (and still is) insinuating that we had scanned photographs on our site which we don't. We only post screencaps and clips from film and television. He is also using our trademark on these pages, giving the impression that we own the website. Both of these actions clearly violate our terms.

Once we dug into his account we also found out that he was sending traffic from domains which contained our trademark which is another blatant violation of our terms. As anyone who runs a large affiliate program knows, it's nearly impossibly to monitor every referring url which is why we weren't aware of these issues previously.

The OP did transfer the domains containing our trademark, obviously hoping to get his account unbanned as has been mentioned in this thread. However, he has failed to remove all infringing content, including on the specific page in question. The link and screenshot below prove that. At this point there is no reason for us to un-ban his account as he's blatantly disregarded our terms, abused our trademark for his profit, cost us legal fees, and since being contacted and banned has done basically nothing to truly rectify the problem.

If any affiliates would like any other questions answered, feel free to contact me or any of our representatives directly. We are always available and happy to help.

Jolene Blalock - Free Nude Celebrities at CelebSkin.net

https://s32.postimg.org/7ilx4as6d/Pa...4_05_37_PM.png

" We only post screencaps and clips from film and television."

so you just admit steal. get the fuck out of here you fucking parasyte. what a fucking piece of shit.

Forkbeard 08-05-2016 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by woj (Post 21078601)
Igenerally affiliate programs don't shut down accounts for no reason...

I assure you that eating the rebills from a webmaster who isn't making a ton of new sales is most definitely "a reason" and not an uncommon one. It's happened to me many times as programs start feeling a cash crunch due to declining sales.


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