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The Porn Nerd 08-05-2016 07:57 PM


All I can focus on is Shannon Elizabeth's big ol' big ol's. Wow.

:thumbsup

Spunky 08-05-2016 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kane (Post 21084736)
A bump for the truth.

You can't handle the truth!

AmeliaG 08-06-2016 12:32 AM

Why don't you contact the shooter you infringed, given that Mr. Skin gave you the info? I totally understand a program being concerned about potential pending legal action, so you should really try to clear that up first.

Edit: never mind, just got to page 2.

vano 08-06-2016 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam - Mr. Skin (Post 21083917)
I've been in New York for Affiliate Summit and just finally have had time to address this...

This will be my one reply to this thread. I'll provide the facts and our perspective on the matter and the fine people of GFY can make their own decisions. I think our 17 years in business and stellar reputation with affiliates speaks for itself. Do some digging in the GFY archives and see what you find.

We were implicated in a copyright infringement claim due to the OP using glamour photography of celebs to promote MrSkin.com. To clarify, it wasn’t a DMCA notice, but a straight cease and desist letter from the photographer’s lawyer

More lies from Mrshitskin scumbags.

You told me it was a DMCA report. Here's a screenshot. (and after numerous requests you never showed me a copy of it.

http://c2n.me/3AXcYfd.png


Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam - Mr. Skin (Post 21083917)
On his site, as you can see in the screenshot below, the OP was (and still is) insinuating that we had scanned photographs on our site which we don't. We only post screencaps and clips from film and television.

I didn't insinuate anything. Any webmaster promoting celebrity niche is using celebrity photos from various sources from the internet. Everyone knows this. You didn't have problems with it for years while i was sending traffic your way. And you don't have problems with obviously dubious content on high traffic websites and tubes when you spam them to promote you. I already posted a photo of you soliciting it.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam - Mr. Skin (Post 21083917)
We only post screencaps and clips from film and television. He is also using our trademark on these pages, giving the impression that we own the website. Both of these actions clearly violate our terms.

So you are "borrowing" someone else's work/content to promote your website. How is it any different from what i did? Double standard hypocrites.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam - Mr. Skin (Post 21083917)
He is also using our trademark on these pages, giving the impression that we own the website. Both of these actions clearly violate our terms.

Of course i was using your "trademarks" to promote YOUR program EXCLUSIVELY. That's the whole point, to make a gallery look similar to the paysite that you promote. What planet are you from?


Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam - Mr. Skin (Post 21083917)
Once we dug into his account we also found out that he was sending traffic from domains which contained our trademark which is another blatant violation of our terms.

Again, this only became a problem when i stopped sending you traffic. You didn't give a shit about this for years. And the domains had exclusively MrSkn galleries, which promote only your website. Terminating an account because of that is stupid. You could have just asked to transfer the domain (which we did same day after your requested it).

You aslo gave false hope (hinted) that transferring the domains to you would solve account lock problem. And after i promtly pushed the domains same day you just left me standing with my dick in my hand:

http://c2n.me/3AXdXbT.png


Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam - Mr. Skin (Post 21083917)
The OP did transfer the domains containing our trademark, obviously hoping to get his account unbanned as has been mentioned in this thread. However, he has failed to remove all infringing content, including on the specific page in question.

How could I remove all content? I have hundreds of galleries built over the years. I removed the one with the name mentioned. I couldn't remove the other one because i didn't know what it was. I asked you numerous times to send me the copy of DMCA report so that i would know the URL and which content exactly was in violation. Every request got conveniently ignored by you. You weren;t interested in fixing anything, just wanted a reason to can the account and keep the rebills.



Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam - Mr. Skin (Post 21083917)
he's blatantly disregarded our terms, abused our trademark for his profit

I used your promo tools to exclusively promote YOUR FUCKING SITE, FOR YOUR PROFIT.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam - Mr. Skin (Post 21083917)
and since being contacted and banned has done basically nothing to truly rectify the problem.

I removed the only instance of the mentioned celeb name i was able to find the moment i received your first email. You never even mentioned an infringing URL until in this thread. I asked for a copy of DMCA to know better what to look for, so that i could remove it. I cooperated fully and pushed the domains to you the same day. I promty did EVERYTHING to rectify the problem. You just werent interested in rectifying it.


Hopefully people make a good note on your "policies" and how you are able to terminate an account and keep all the money with any made up reason. Nice Terms & Conditions you have to fully protect yourself in any situation and fuck over any affiliate at a drop of a hat.

God damn scumbags :321GFY

vano 08-06-2016 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AmeliaG (Post 21085018)
Why don't you contact the shooter you infringed, given that Mr. Skin gave you the info? I totally understand a program being concerned about potential pending legal action, so you should really try to clear that up first.

Edit: never mind, just got to page 2.

That's the problem, they never gave me any info. I didn't even know which gallery URL was infringing. I asked for a copy of the DMCA report many times but never received one.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ianmoone332000 (Post 21084067)
Vano you got owned ( BTW your site is fucking hideous ) haha

Yes, i did get owned. By fucking thieves.

I hope other people don't make same mistake. Because by their logic (and terms) even using a MrSkin banner to promote their site is grounds for account termination for "trademark infringement". (when it suits them)

And if by site you mean the gallery, i guess it does suck, it been made 10 years ago or so.

ianmoone332000 08-06-2016 10:54 AM

And if by site you mean the gallery, i guess it does suck, it been made 10 years ago or so.[/QUOTE]

And i bet it still makes more money than my site that i have spent a lot of money on

EddyTheDog 08-06-2016 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Speigelau (Post 21079549)
"I see nothing wrong with AFF stealing affiliate traffic, they are a solid company..."

I never said anything like that - Ever...

Bladewire 08-06-2016 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Speigelau (Post 21079549)
"I see nothing wrong with AFF stealing affiliate traffic, they are a solid company..."

EddyTheDog saying stuff like that seems so shady smh :disgust

Klen 08-06-2016 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by EddyTheDog (Post 21085699)
I never said anything like that - Ever...

Not even with your previous nick which was banned :upsidedow

Bladewire 08-06-2016 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris (Post 21085846)
Not even with your previous nick which was banned :upsidedow

Which nick was that?

Klen 08-06-2016 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21085855)
Which nick was that?

Damian MaxCash

xXXtesy10 08-06-2016 12:27 PM

sam must love getting it up the ass. fuck you skin sam

Bladewire 08-06-2016 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris (Post 21085858)
Damian MaxCash

Damian=Sambo=EddyTheDog
Banned=Banned=backagain

Thanks for that :thumbsup

EddyTheDog 08-06-2016 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21085906)
Damian=Sambo=EddyTheDog
Banned=Banned=backagain

Thanks for that :thumbsup

Sambo is banned? - news to me...

EddyTheDog 08-06-2016 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris (Post 21085846)
Not even with your previous nick which was banned :upsidedow

Under any nic...

Speigelau 08-06-2016 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog (Post 21085699)
I never said anything like that - Ever...

Your Damian nick said something very similar, at least that was your attitude once it was exposed that AFF was hijacking their own affiliates traffic. All because you were making your money from them. It really doesn't matter as that was so long ago, but many here know the stance you took then, which was shady to say the least.

Bladewire 08-06-2016 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog (Post 21085915)
Sambo is banned? - news to me...

Yeah you have 2 banned nicks and you're still posting here no wonder you're always so sneaky & secretive.

http://i.imgur.com/uVRH44k.jpg

EddyTheDog 08-06-2016 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21085951)
Yeah you have 2 banned nicks and you're still posting here no wonder you're always so sneaky & secretive.

http://i.imgur.com/uVRH44k.jpg

I didn't know/remember sambo was banned - As far as being secretive is concerned you will find that I have mentioned being both NICs on a number occasions...

When will you post the proof of your accusations about me stealing your content btw?....

You are the one being shady - It's fairly obvious to most people here...

Bladewire 08-06-2016 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog (Post 21085978)
I didn't know/remember sambo was banned - As far as being secretive is concerned you will find that I have mentioned being both NICs on a number occasions...

When will you post the proof of your accusations about me stealing your content btw?....

You are the one being shady - It's fairly obvious to most people here...

I'm not trying to get you banned again if that's what you're insinuating. Why do you keep bringing up you stealing my content? Its like you did something and are constantly rubbing it in my nose and bragging about it by posting about it over and over again. So shady :disgust

EddyTheDog 08-06-2016 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21085993)
I'm not trying to get you banned again if that's what you're insinuating. Why do you keep bringing up you stealing my content? Its like you did something and are constantly rubbing it in my nose and bragging about it by posting about it over and over again. So shady :disgust

Are saying I did steal your content?..

Bladewire 08-06-2016 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog (Post 21085996)
I did steal your content

Without provocation you bring up you stealing my content at least 3 times a week since you got out of the loony bin, multiple times today, for no reason, it's like you're bragging. Shady :disgust

Is the banned member asking for proof or ban? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

EddyTheDog 08-06-2016 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21086032)
Without provocation you bring up you stealing my content at least 3 times a week since you got out of the loony bin, multiple times today, for no reason, it's like you're bragging. Shady :disgust

Is the banned member asking for proof or ban? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

OK - Yes, you accused me - Proof or ban - It feels like being back at school but this is gfy...

Theo is around - Shall we do this now?....

Bladewire 08-06-2016 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog (Post 21086062)
OK - Yes, you accused me - Proof or ban - It feels like being back at school but this is gfy...

Theo is around - Shall we do this now?....

You have been banned twice and are posting on your third fake nic!

If you didn't violate your ban you wouldn't be here wasting my time, or Theo's time :2 cents:

Tip: you should adjust your meds

EddyTheDog 08-06-2016 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21086074)
You have been banned twice and are posting on your third fake nic!

If you didn't violate your ban you wouldn't be here wasting my time, or Theo's time :2 cents:

Tip: you should adjust your meds

You attacked me not the other way - I'm not going to bother Theo - You have multiple fake nics and I am too old to get into crap with some troll like you...

My meds are fine - Thanks for your concern.....

xXXtesy10 08-06-2016 02:18 PM


Bladewire 08-06-2016 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog (Post 21086104)
You attacked me not the other way - I'm not going to bother Theo - You have multiple fake nics and I am too old to get into crap with some troll like you...

My meds are fine - Thanks for your concern.....

You we're viciously attacked & you're only trying to defend your good name and spotless reputation of your 2 banned nics & current fake nic. :1orglaugh Suck it :love2suck

Quote:

Originally Posted by xXXtesy10 (Post 21086125)



:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

EddyTheDog 08-06-2016 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21086134)
You we're viciously attacked & you're only trying to defend your good name and spotless reputation of your 2 banned nics & current fake nic. :1orglaugh Suck it :love2suck



:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I can't be bothered and my tablet is nearly out of batteries, sleep well...

/end

AmeliaG 08-06-2016 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vano (Post 21085684)
That's the problem, they never gave me any info. I didn't even know which gallery URL was infringing. I asked for a copy of the DMCA report many times but never received one.


Yes, i did get owned. By fucking thieves.

I hope other people don't make same mistake. Because by their logic (and terms) even using a MrSkin banner to promote their site is grounds for account termination for "trademark infringement". (when it suits them)

And if by site you mean the gallery, i guess it does suck, it been made 10 years ago or so.


They gave you the name of the complainant, the original copyright holder. Why don't you contact the photographer whose work you used without permission and, unlike Mr. Skin, without promoting him?

kane 08-06-2016 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vano (Post 21085672)
More lies from Mrshitskin scumbags.

You told me it was a DMCA report. Here's a screenshot. (and after numerous requests you never showed me a copy of it.

http://c2n.me/3AXcYfd.png



I didn't insinuate anything. Any webmaster promoting celebrity niche is using celebrity photos from various sources from the internet. Everyone knows this. You didn't have problems with it for years while i was sending traffic your way. And you don't have problems with obviously dubious content on high traffic websites and tubes when you spam them to promote you. I already posted a photo of you soliciting it.



So you are "borrowing" someone else's work/content to promote your website. How is it any different from what i did? Double standard hypocrites.


Of course i was using your "trademarks" to promote YOUR program EXCLUSIVELY. That's the whole point, to make a gallery look similar to the paysite that you promote. What planet are you from?



Again, this only became a problem when i stopped sending you traffic. You didn't give a shit about this for years. And the domains had exclusively MrSkn galleries, which promote only your website. Terminating an account because of that is stupid. You could have just asked to transfer the domain (which we did same day after your requested it).

You aslo gave false hope (hinted) that transferring the domains to you would solve account lock problem. And after i promtly pushed the domains same day you just left me standing with my dick in my hand:

http://c2n.me/3AXdXbT.png



How could I remove all content? I have hundreds of galleries built over the years. I removed the one with the name mentioned. I couldn't remove the other one because i didn't know what it was. I asked you numerous times to send me the copy of DMCA report so that i would know the URL and which content exactly was in violation. Every request got conveniently ignored by you. You weren;t interested in fixing anything, just wanted a reason to can the account and keep the rebills.




I used your promo tools to exclusively promote YOUR FUCKING SITE, FOR YOUR PROFIT.

I removed the only instance of the mentioned celeb name i was able to find the moment i received your first email. You never even mentioned an infringing URL until in this thread. I asked for a copy of DMCA to know better what to look for, so that i could remove it. I cooperated fully and pushed the domains to you the same day. I promty did EVERYTHING to rectify the problem. You just werent interested in rectifying it.


Hopefully people make a good note on your "policies" and how you are able to terminate an account and keep all the money with any made up reason. Nice Terms & Conditions you have to fully protect yourself in any situation and fuck over any affiliate at a drop of a hat.

God damn scumbags :321GFY

Two quick thoughts

1. You should be able to remove content on all URLs. You should know what is on every URL of your sites. It is called doing business and being responsible. If you don't know what is on every URL on your sites you should take a little time to go through your server and document this stuff so you do know. Ignorance is not an excuse.

2. You rail against them being dishonest, yet you are knowingly using content you don't own and admitting to doing so. That makes you a thief. Maybe take a minute to look in the mirror before you start talking shit about other people.

wehateporn 08-06-2016 05:33 PM

Looks like an honest guy, but fair play for knowing how to make $600+ per month from them


Bladewire 08-06-2016 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 21086296)
Looks like an honest guy, but fair play for knowing how to make $600+ per month from them


He's cute! Who is that?

charlie g 08-06-2016 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by celandina (Post 21079243)
We shoot the content, run the site where it is sold from and the ONLY people who peddle our shit are thieves, pirates and those like you who think that they are entitled to make money of others people creativity ......and that DOES include Mr.Skin.

fuck off you punk piece of shit. i dont steal nothing from nobody... i am not a webmaster.

plaster 08-06-2016 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21086134)
You we're viciously attacked & you're only trying to defend your good name and spotless reputation of your 2 banned nics & current fake nic. :1orglaugh Suck it :love2suck



:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Shut the mother fuck up you turdless fucking cum collecting waste bin of loud, obnoxious hissy fit fuck you bullshit that constantly comes out of your stinky fucking pie hole.

Just go drown yourself in the ocean you failure.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....

Bladewire 08-06-2016 06:57 PM

Banned user Beaner drunk again posting as Plaster following me through every thread daily *yawn*

I've had him blocked forever but you know he's drunk because like clockwork 9-10pm Eastern time he starts up. Sad

He's obsessed with me.

plaster 08-06-2016 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21086401)
Banned user Beaner drunk again posting as Plaster following me through every thread daily *yawn*

I've had him blocked forever but you know he's drunk because like clockwork 9-10pm Eastern time he starts up. Sad

He's obsessed with me.

Ummm... if you had me on ignore how'd you see my post?

You're such a failure of epic proportions and your antics on this board of humiliating people far more successful then yourself are numbered. :2 cents:

Why don't you go find some men at your local hot spot and do a little of...

:sleep:sleep:sleep:sleep:bigears

... which is your forte

vano 08-07-2016 12:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kane (Post 21086260)
Two quick thoughts

1. You should be able to remove content on all URLs. You should know what is on every URL of your sites. It is called doing business and being responsible. If you don't know what is on every URL on your sites you should take a little time to go through your server and document this stuff so you do know. Ignorance is not an excuse.

2. You are knowingly using content you don't own and admitting to doing so. That makes you a thief.

1. I have THOUSANDS of galleries from the TGP days. If they don't even tell me the URL, I can't know where the problem is. When someone sends you a DMCA report, one of the requirements is to describe which work is in violation and where it is located. Skin never showed me the complaint (i wonder if it even exists).

2. Skin uses content they dont own. What does that make them?

At least I have contact info for dmca reports on my websites to quickly remove content if someone complains, and i don't pocket other people's money because i'm a greedy asshole.

vano 08-07-2016 12:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AmeliaG (Post 21086143)
They gave you the name of the complainant, the original copyright holder. Why don't you contact the photographer whose work you used without permission

Why should I contact anyone? I'm not violating any copyrights as far as i know. I never received any notifications. Just because Skin says so doesn't make it true. Why wouldn't skin show me that notification?


Quote:

Originally Posted by AmeliaG (Post 21086143)
and, unlike Mr. Skin, without promoting him?

Oh, this is comedy gold. Now Skin is promoting him? The copyright holder? In what way?

Do you just make shit up on the go, no matter how dumb it sounds, just to support Skin? Did they buy you a drink at one of the conventions? :1orglaugh

kane 08-07-2016 01:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vano (Post 21086659)
1. I have THOUSANDS of galleries from the TGP days. If they don't even tell me the URL, I can't know where the problem is. When someone sends you a DMCA report, one of the requirements is to describe which work is in violation and where it is located. Skin never showed me the complaint (i wonder if it even exists).

2. Skin uses content they dont own. What does that make them?

At least I have contact info for dmca reports on my websites to quickly remove content if someone complains, and i don't pocket other people's money because i'm a greedy asshole.

I won't comment on what they have or have not given you and just take your word that you didn't know what content they were speaking of. That said, They did provide a URL in their reply and, well, you still have illegal content on there as of my typing this.

The difference between what you are doing and what they are doing is simple. It is called Fair Use. You see you are taking content you do not own in order to make money. You haven't changed it in any way or done anything that would alter it from it original format (other than maybe size and compression ratio etc.). Mr. Skin provide commentary and reviews about the movies, the scenes, and the people in them. When they do this it creates a fair use situation. Imagine it like this: If you have TV show like At the Movies where you review movies and play clips from them. You are allowed to show those clips because you are also providing a review of the movie, hence, fair use. If you just took those clips and uploaded them to YouTube or some site you likely would be hit with a complaint.

If Mr. Skin were really breaking the law do you not think a big, powerful movie studio would have hammered them into the ground by now? It s a big site, that has even been mentioned in some movies and the owner goes on major radio shows like Howard Stern to promote it. If they were breaking the law they would have had their asses handed to them a long time ago.

The odds are they hadn't really paid much attention to you as an affiliate until you had lawyers contacting them about your sites. Had that not happened I have a feeling your account would still be open and everything would be fine.

This is the game you play when you decide to make money using stolen content. At some point that money might go away.

kane 08-07-2016 01:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vano (Post 21086662)
Why should I contact anyone? I'm not violating any copyrights as far as i know. I never received any notifications. Just because Skin says so doesn't make it true. Why wouldn't skin show me that notification?

Did you shoot the pictures?

Did you pay someone a licensing fee for the pictures?

Did you get permission to use the pictures?

Unless you answered yes to one of those you are violating the copyright on every one of those pictures.

vano 08-07-2016 01:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kane (Post 21086668)
I won't comment on what they have or have not given you and just take your word that you didn't know what content they were speaking of. That said, They did provide a URL in their reply

Yeah they did. In this thread. 3 weeks after terminating my account. And only because I created this thread. The conveniently ignore all my request to point out the content in question.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kane (Post 21086668)
and, well, you still have illegal content on there as of my typing this

According to who? You? Or Skin, who also dont own the copyright? You can't pass that judgment. What if I had a deal with the photog and he let me use his content?


Quote:

Originally Posted by kane (Post 21086668)
The difference between what you are doing and what they are doing is simple. It is called Fair Use. You see you are taking content you do not own in order to make money. You haven't changed it in any way or done anything that would alter it from it original format (other than maybe size and compression ratio etc.). Mr. Skin provide commentary and reviews about the movies, the scenes, and the people in them.

So they found a loophole in the law and are exploiting it. By same token I could write a line of text next to my gallery and claim it as fair use. But that still would be profiting from someone else's work. How is it any different from tubes who are also using stolen content and are hiding behind legal loopholes?


Quote:

Originally Posted by kane (Post 21086668)
Did you shoot the pictures?

Did you pay someone a licensing fee for the pictures?

Unless you answered yes to one of those you are violating the copyright on every one of those pictures.

Can you answer yes to all these question regarding a photo in your sig?

http://www.freakydink.com/boobs.gif

Anyway, the legality of content or fair use is not the point of the thread. The point is that MrSkin will gladly take all your traffic, not matter how clean or dirty it is. But they will fuck you over when they are not profiting from it anymore (i.e., when you stop sending them traffic and just collecting rebills money). It's a question of affiliate program's integrity. MrSkin has none - they will throw you under the bus at a drop of a hat.


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