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NewNick 08-24-2016 05:35 AM

Freedom of speech at work right here.

dannyz-zbuckz 08-24-2016 05:42 AM

Assange is certainly no hero. Outing gay people and aiding in the persecution and possible murder of them in Saudi Arabia.

WikiLeaks outs gay people in Saudi Arabia in ‘reckless’ mass data dump · PinkNews

ilnjscb 08-24-2016 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by dannyz-zbuckz (Post 21120559)
Assange is certainly no hero. Outing gay people and aiding in the persecution and possible murder of them in Saudi Arabia.

WikiLeaks outs gay people in Saudi Arabia in ?reckless? mass data dump · PinkNews

Oh wow, so a man that 75% of governments want dead did something bad? How odd! He seems to have done something that might create the potential for risk among certain populations. Saudi Government and anti-gay people will do the bad act, but he may have given them some information.

Among all the actors, he has done the least. The people that behead gay men? The Saudi government? They're the bad guys. Not information, not truth, and not Assange.

noshit 08-24-2016 11:50 AM

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NewNick 08-24-2016 12:04 PM

Yeah Assange is a real hero - holed up like a coward too scared to face his accusers in that hotbed of facism Sweden.

The only one abusing his power here is Assange.

dannyz-zbuckz 08-24-2016 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ilnjscb (Post 21121297)
Oh wow, so a man that 75% of governments want dead did something bad? How odd! He seems to have done something that might create the potential for risk among certain populations. Saudi Government and anti-gay people will do the bad act, but he may have given them some information.

Among all the actors, he has done the least. The people that behead gay men? The Saudi government? They're the bad guys. Not information, not truth, and not Assange.

Oh, for fuck's sake. Handing a person their death sentence does not make it okay because they weren't the ones to chop the head off.

Your argument is ridiculous. In addition to outing the Saudi gay men, they have published the names of teenage rape victims, medical records, financial data, and information relating to paternity disputes, custody fights, and other family concerns. Where is a person's right to privacy in your world? The argument against governments, and for hackers spying into people's private emails and information so they can release it to the world is pretty fucked IMHO. Sounds like you'd love the Orwellian world of 1984.

Oh, and let's also point out that the hackers are probably rich western white heterosexual men of privilege, just like the millionaire Assange. No big shit to them if some gay people die, or how many families they destroy in their quest for power and money.

DrJsn 08-24-2016 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by dannyz-zbuckz (Post 21122365)
Oh, for fuck's sake. Handing a person their death sentence does not make it okay because they weren't the ones to chop the head off.

Your argument is ridiculous. In addition to outing the Saudi gay men, they have published the names of teenage rape victims, medical records, financial data, and information relating to paternity disputes, custody fights, and other family concerns. Where is a person's right to privacy in your world? The argument against governments, and for hackers spying into people's private emails and information so they can release it to the world is pretty fucked IMHO. Sounds like you'd love the Orwellian world of 1984.

Oh, and let's also point out that the hackers are probably rich western white heterosexual men of privilege, just like the millionaire Assange. No big shit to them if some gay people die, or how many families they destroy in their quest for power and money.

Releasing info about the governments abuse of power and their corruption, is a good thing. We have a right to know whats going, and we have a right to privacy. It seems like the governments are trying to make the world like 1984. The hackers shouldn't spy on regular citizens or steal, and especially they shouldn't put regular people's lives in danger. But if they are finding info, about our government and its leaders, that sheds light on what's really going on then it's doing good.

dannyz-zbuckz 08-24-2016 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DrJsn (Post 21122401)
Releasing info about the governments abuse of power and their corruption, is a good thing. We have a right to know whats going, and we have a right to privacy. It seems like the governments are trying to make the world like 1984. The hackers shouldn't spy on regular citizens or steal, and especially they shouldn't put regular people's lives in danger. But if they are finding info, about our government and its leaders, that sheds light on what's really going on then it's doing good.

Notice in my post, I attacked him for releasing emails of *private citizens,* not the government or governments. Assange may have started out with some good intentions going after governments and their leaders, and if that's all he targeted I agree it would be a good thing. Unfortunately, he ended up becoming a totally egocentric ass-wipe in his quest for attention, money and power. By breaking into and releasing emails and personal data of private citizens, he's just as bad if not worse than the governments he's supposed to be exposing.

LAJ 08-24-2016 10:20 PM

She'll get it done. I have faith.

ilnjscb 08-25-2016 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by dannyz-zbuckz (Post 21122365)
Oh, for fuck's sake. Handing a person their death sentence does not make it okay because they weren't the ones to chop the head off.

Your argument is ridiculous. In addition to outing the Saudi gay men, they have published the names of teenage rape victims, medical records, financial data, and information relating to paternity disputes, custody fights, and other family concerns. Where is a person's right to privacy in your world? The argument against governments, and for hackers spying into people's private emails and information so they can release it to the world is pretty fucked IMHO. Sounds like you'd love the Orwellian world of 1984.

Oh, and let's also point out that the hackers are probably rich western white heterosexual men of privilege, just like the millionaire Assange. No big shit to them if some gay people die, or how many families they destroy in their quest for power and money.

WOW! You're going to fall back on "white privilege" as an argument? If you were on the ground, like that poor woman in the video, screaming and crying for your life, you wouldn't be worried about a hacker, you'd be worried about the guy with the machete about to cut your head off.

Information is NOT the same as killing, my friend, killing is killing. The person who makes the choice to carry out a crime based on information is still a criminal.

In the US, in court, if an accused murderer says, "X told me Y was gay so I killed Y", the murderer would and should still be fried, and X is not culpable at all. But you want a different standard of justice for Saudi Arabia so that they can continue to kill gay people, Jews, people who aren't Muslim, or people who break their stupid religious rules?

Don't blame the whites, buddy, blame people like you who encourage killing of gays and dissenters by giving Saudi Arabia a pass.

When Tim Cook, CEO of Apple, announced he was gay, was he executed? No. The information that he was gay was not harmful in itself at all.

Your argument is a strange, pointless, liberal mish-mash that even I, a democrat who defends Clinton, am ashamed of. To top it off, you probably are white, yet when your argument fails because it has no logic you reach for "white privilege"? Very sad.

Truth is never bad. Transparency in government is never bad. Assange is one man who has done more than you or I ever will to get truth to the people. How would you advocate he carefully edit gigabytes of information while being hunted around the world with false accusations? And he's arrogant, I hear? So was Einstein. And information Einstein gave to Fermi and the world led to the development of the nuclear bomb! You really should think things through.

porndumpme 08-25-2016 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 21117685)
Other than the fact that he gave every government the key to read every secret the United States has ever had..... No reason.

Good.

America and its leaders are whats wrong with the world.

Millions dead. Murdered. Blood on your hands for being so fucking stupid and gullible, fuck you yanks are fucking dumb.

Those are the people who should be in jail.

Not the people EXPOSING WAR CRIMES.

OMG your so dumb..

plaster 08-25-2016 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by porndumpme (Post 21124606)
OMG your so dumb..

You're. ...

noshit 08-25-2016 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by LAJ (Post 21122485)
She'll get it done. I have faith.


Pain in my side... I Need to Dump a Turd! ...How about You??
You're so Damn Disgusting..!

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dannyz-zbuckz 08-26-2016 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by ilnjscb (Post 21123763)
Assange is one man who has done more than you or I ever will to get truth to the people. How would you advocate he carefully edit gigabytes of information while being hunted around the world with false accusations? And he's arrogant, I hear? So was Einstein. And information Einstein gave to Fermi and the world led to the development of the nuclear bomb! You really should think things through.

By your argument all truth and transparency is never bad, and Assange is a hero. All should be forgiven when he recklessly releases personal information on private, law abiding citizens, it's the price we pay for Assange exposing governments. Great! Please give everyone on here the log-in to your email and put your money where your mouth is! :thumbsup

ilnjscb 08-26-2016 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by dannyz-zbuckz (Post 21125347)
By your argument all truth and transparency is never bad, and Assange is a hero. All should be forgiven when he recklessly releases personal information on private, law abiding citizens, it's the price we pay for Assange exposing governments. Great! Please give everyone on here the log-in to your email and put your money where your mouth is! :thumbsup

LOL at "recklessly released information". Is that the best you can do? And then another non-sequitur accusation followed by an unrelated recommendation.

Information is not action. Action is action.

Since you seem to only be able to think in pictures, imagine a woman with a short skirt. Imagine she is drunk. She "recklessly" goes walking late at night. Does she deserve to be raped? Answer me, if you can, with a yes or no. Then you'll have done my work for me.

dannyz-zbuckz 08-26-2016 11:28 AM

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Since you seem to only be able to think in pictures, imagine a woman with a short skirt. Imagine she is drunk. She "recklessly" goes walking late at night. Does she deserve to be raped? Answer me, if you can, with a yes or no. Then you'll have done my work for me.
Sorry, but you are comparing apples and oranges. We clearly just have a difference of opinion. I believe in the right to privacy, you, Mr. Assange, and a lot of governments don't. His own quote is that "Privacy is gone, and it will not come back, short of a very regressive economic collapse which reduces the economic capacity of civilization." Therefore he is able to justify releasing any personal, private information he sees fit regardless of the consequences.


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