Paul I'm teasing you :winkwink:

This was only ever aimed at the Gentiles. He expected THEM to stop believing in God, because gentile gods from a Jewish perspective are idol worship.

I don't believe in god, but I'm becoming increasingly respectful of traditional Christianity as a means of resistance.

That's a long time to be with a sponsor & still be in business! You obviously have a knowledge of how to make things happen & create further performance :thumbsup

I would certainly believe you're a good guy & should believe there is a god above. Yes we create our own paths, but to stay strong & continue our path, we have to have faith & perseverance. Thus, there's something higher than just the persons we are to be this strong.

With what Paul's been through, to be here with us now, I'd have hoped he'd know that there's good and evil, another good man stands here with us :2 cents:

Interesting. I've never thought of it this way. I believe in something too, but I don't call it God. But hey, if my ultra-religious aunt is going to feel better by praying every day, going to church, etc, then why not, I'm fine with that if it is making her less depressed.

hang on, that's white blood cells creating skin which is nature...

yes incredible, but not a miracle, it's science.

science is not god, fact, science is the big bang, there fore there is no god, which is also a fair enough fact, point & believable existence.

There is good and evil, there's strengths that we find in faith...

live life and enjoy people :thumbsup

The evidence of religions goes back to Hunter/Gatherer times. The Abrahamic religions are recent inventions. So were the early religions inventions, the later ones, or all of them?

We're discovering planets where life could exist and probably does or did. Is it intelligent life at the level of a dog, Homo Sapiens circa 1,000 BC or 1,000 AD when both those times the people thought they had discovered all there was?

Or did in the pursuit of wealth and over population wipe itself out?

Humans have only been able to leave the Earth for a tiny fraction of the 500,000 years we existed.

There's nothing governing, karma, god, devil, good & bad. We govern ourselves.

Spirituality is a 'quality' of human interaction, without at least 2 people there is NO spirituality, you may have spiritual dialog with yourself however it is only through interactions that spirituality can manifest. just like love, love is a verb not a noun. doesn't matter what anyone says only what we do.

if Paul is pissed at G_D, that's for him to repair. it's none of my business just like my inner negations with 'the universe' are none of Paul business. Paul's only concern with me is how I treat him, nothing more. and honestly Paul is a bit of boob. always has been in the 13 years I have known him. Paul could have repaired his relationship though his struggles or tuned his back on the universe... obviously Paul chose to ignore the possibilities and remain ignorant about the true nature of life.... too bad for Paul, that's the road to bitterness and envy, which in the years I have seen Paul here at GFY, seems to be the case. we all have choices, we can move together or remain isolated and bitter... loudly proclaiming there is NO GOD.

My life is awesome, problematic yes, yet amazing beyond belief. would I give that up, deny G_D, just so a bunch of boobs on a message board will think I'm cool? not a fucking chance...

300BC? Try 6000BC. The god christians and muslims worship, DEUS, from ZEUS, Jupiter, and DYEUS PITAR (father god) all go back to the thunderer in the sky that scared the indo-european horse lords.

They say storms on the steps are awesome spectacles, you can see the lightening strike, and the thunder is a huge explosion. They're sitting there cowering and hoping the next bolt doesn't fry them. That is Dyeus Pitar. As they kicked the shit out of everybody, they displaced the moon goddesses and 9 headed dragons and such with DEUS who is god today. And of course allah and elohim come from the same root.

you really are a dumb ass aren't you? you do realize the implications of your argument correct? since a bronze age tribe didn't understand modern physics, G_D is false... you seriously going with that?

you really struggle with there being no connection between religion and G-D don't you...?

well Paul put your big boy pants on a sort it out will ya? gezz what a dope...

I stopped my time after my 26th anniversary, Dec 27th. I was on Norco's for pain resulting for injuries and the resulting operation. I had screws set in the bone, 4 ligaments reattached, bicep reattached and bone spurs ground down, 2.5 hours under the knife and grinder. put me down pretty hard for about 6 months. still working to recover financially.

I decided after much thought and conversation with my sponsor to drop the pills and go to weed. if I stop the weed I'll start my time back up... I'm pretty happy smoking weed :winkwink:

two words Aurora Borealis :1orglaugh

there are definite rules Paul, and definite actions and reactions. you may chose to ignore these and do it all yourself :1orglaugh

there are definite rules Paul, and definite actions and reactions. you may chose to ignore these and do it all yourself

here is the issue, you seem to be unable to pull the fairy tails out of the mix to see what's really going on. there is a saying that covers this where I come from: Paul, you can't tell shit from beans.

bingo! :thumbsup

Not sure exactly what your mean here. But whether you believe in god or not I don't believe the existence of science or the big bang is the deciding factor in whether there is a god.

One could argue that god was the creative energy that sparked the big bang and also the engineer of the laws of math and physics.

I guess my point is, the logic behind your point doesn't make a proper argument. The existence of science and the big bang doesn't disprove god. Noone and no thing can prove or disprove the existence of god based on what we know now.

There has never been anything that can prove there is a god, except that life exists, now is that a good enough proof? For some they believe on faith and others need more. Each of us has to make our own belief system based on our observations.

wow, you've seriously been through hell and back!

Has the pain gone now? Have you scars to deal with or are you secure in yourself?

I have several scars on the back of my leg and on my arms from when I was put through a glass door when I was a young girl. I laid on my bed bleeding, thinking I'd be in so much trouble with my parents, it happens when you're young.

How did you have such a brutal accident?

this is possible :thumbsup

“I am the punishment of God...If you had not committed great sins, God would not have sent a punishment like me upon you.” -- Genghis Khan **taunting the vanquished ...

My relationship with god or any supreme being is the same as my relationship with Harry Potter or Robinson Crusoe or any other fictional character.

Your version of god is the same as a few more here. It's a simple explanation for those who don't have a decent level of knowledge on evolution.

It took 100,000s of millions of attempts by evolution to arrive at the species now on Earth. And evolution is still happening today, it never stops.

You're right about having nothing to explain. Go do some studying and see why you have nothing.

You're welcome. I'm amazed that 1/3 of the people here believe in a god. Most of them use a god figure to cover their ignorance. Everything is explained up to the Big Bang. Did god do that?

Then is he a god or scientist or a kid playing with a box of matches and explosives? :1orglaugh

Then who created one of them? :1orglaugh

Sure i believe in god.its gives you Faith and peace on your soul

I was once told,
"It is better to believe in something than not to believe in nothing at all"

Stressing and losing sleep over what others do or don't believe in is a symptom of intellectual deficit.

Yeah until they show up and burn you to death, or beat you to death, or torture you to death, or whatever + to death.

https://evogeneao.s3.amazonaws.com/a...-life_2000.jpg

For me this disproves the idea of a supreme being. This isn't intelligent. It's hit and miss. With billions of dead planets and a tiny handful possible of life. Where the intelligence? You could throw a million darts at a darts board while drunk and blind and still get a better hit ratio than life.

this is the point I was making. This is science & not a god.

as DrJsn says "I guess my point is, the logic behind your point doesn't make a proper argument. The existence of science and the big bang doesn't disprove god. "

Because god could have triggered the whole big bang :2 cents:

Many people tell that they don't believe until there is something bad happened with them or their family/close friends. I think, that I'm the same person. :uhoh

So god only triggered the big bang, to achieve what?

God is an invention by people to control people and cover ignorance. There were so many different types of gods created we're left with this idea that one exists to explain what we don't know yet.

Consider this. Not one of these invented gods told the people, who claim he spoke spoken to any version of god. An ounce of truth. All those people came back with lies that made them more powerful. As a marketing concept, it was brilliant and why religion spread so well.

And still 33% of the people here who are bright enough to use the Internet believe in something that has no foundation.

Yes, people will grab at straws, even when they're imaginary straws. Dying men scream for their Mother. Knowing she's 1,000s of miles away.

let's not forget "god", or gods, if you believe in mythological as many do.

I was saying it is possible "the big man" could have created a big bang. Allowing the creations to form & those creations to act, grow, evolve & create as they do.

The devil, if this were true, was an angel, his wings cut because, naughty Lucifer did something bad & god sent him to look after all the bad people after many millions years of creations, our kind were here, destroying the world that had been created.

I don't think you can say "god is an invention" as you or I, do not know or can prove either way. Interesting to hear your side and hear you don't believe in faith & higher lords or wishes. You think God is an invention as I believe in higher spirits.

Pleased to say, good and bad, god and the devil, at least doesn't change who we are & what we believe. As you're a nice guy & I am a nice girl. I sometimes think that God could have been invented to keep people from being bad, but this can't be the case, as this is down to morals. Even with god in the word, there's still bad people that continue to be harm themselves and others.

Gary made a wish on his birthday, 2 days later my mother was released from hospital after undergoing chemo, a week before, nearly on deaths door. She was diagnosed with Cancer, a very bad, aggressive one, Maybe similar to you. She wasn't mean't to be well even on his birthday, then, by miracle, was well with in a day. He said nothing, and his wish was for my mother to be home to see her family, nothing selfish.

I believe in god or the fairies... has to be one or the other.

Anyway, how about raising the odds on this thread? Maybe this can add to all the interest of "is god real"

http://www.amtvmedia.com/wp-content/...55-641x400.jpg

flat earth :winkwink:

More proof there is no god.

World?s oldest fossils found in discovery with ?staggering? implications for the search for extra-terrestrial life | The Independent

Would a god with all those infinite powers bother with a Big Bang, send matter hurtling across the Universe then on a very select few. Create the building blocks to trigger life. Like making another piece of matter hit the Earth to create the moon, make another piece of matter his the Earth to start life, then after a billions of years stir a soup to create one/two cell organisms, which slowly evolved into fish, which slowly evolved to walk onto the land, which slowly evolve into dinosaurs, then send a metorite to kill most off and start the process again with mammmals and descendents of dinosaurs.

Then after billions of years, an ape decided it was better walking on the ground upright.

A million years later, he revealed himself and told a select few that if they worshipped a god, through them of course, he would control life and death, hunting, and eventually after Man had discovered Farming, the success of crops, wars, and of course who could live and die at the hands of Men.

And through all this god loves us. So go kill those other god worshippers who don't adhere to your version of god and have a nice piece of real estate.

No way, a god of any power would have made a much better job of it. Nature is controlled by fuck ups.

If there's alien life, can there still not be a god?

Via negativa, baby. Proving the nonexistence of God can actually be a proof of the existence of God.

Did an entity cause the Big Bang? Is that a "god"? Saying it could be, doesn't cut it.

Here's the problem. Why is he so silent when so many people claim to "know" him. Or whatever entity he is to individuals. There's the big problem, previously we were told solid stories on what he wants. Now we have people claiming he's not and that he's something else. Inner thought explains that.

Here's what we know. Everyone claiming to talk for or to him is a liar. Unless they're fooling themselves by talking to themselves. That's called prayer and has no basis in fact.

We know many claim to talk to him and come back telling the rest of us to do something for the messenger.
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What is proven is, it's never done anything for anyone they haven't done for themselves. Or made a lot of other people do for them. Or nature did and took a long time doing it.

It's impossible to prove something doesn't exist. It's easy to prove the myth of a god as taught to us.

Can I prove it's not speaking to people and they are in fact just talking to themselves? That has to be done by them telling us what he said. You'll find it's just self-motivation.

Yeah well... Try cutting of your head and see how that works out...:1orglaugh

Heavens No :2 cents:

I don't believe in god. But just like no one can prove that one does exist I can't say for certain that one doesn't.

But just look at what these "enlightened" individuals have to say about related matters:

Neil deGrasse Tyson thinks there?s a ?very high? chance the universe is just a simulation

We are ?almost definitely? living in a Matrix-style simulation, claims Elon Musk

They are basicallly saying they believe in a god or creator because someone or something had to create the simulation and that someone or something is effectively "god".



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?Now it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so mind-bogglingly useful could have evolved purely by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as the final and clinching proof of the non-existence of God.
The argument goes something like this: "I refuse to prove that I exist,'" says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."
"But," says Man, "The Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED."
"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.
"Oh, that was easy," says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing.?


― Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

I love how you have assigned task to a god you don't believe in... he did this but not this lol!! Paul and I are in email confab.. great fun

Ma, you prefer to use bronze age physics and a moral/social tale with historic liberties written 2600 years ago to stop the allowance of god? that's fuckin awesome! :1orglaugh

yup the more you think about it the weirder and more convoluted it gets :1orglaugh

the latest thoughts on the big bang are: it happened because it could. where did all the crap come from that blew up? over my paygrade :2 cents:

you are having a serious issue here Paul, you are repeating the words of men and blaming god for saying them... never stand up in court that's a fact :2 cents: and nature runs exactly as it has been designed to do. and I use design in terms of finished product, not in terms of a project to complete.

Personally I can separate church/religion and God.

If you can do that realizing that man creating religion in order to control other people vs. a alien being who assisted in creating life and is there ongoing. That in itself is extremely probable. Talking to my dad who is deeply religious I simply asked, "by definition God is an alien" which my dad admitted is accurate.

So in the end - try not to take religion and say it's God. It isn't.

For a long time I've always said, "in the beginning God created man -- later man decided to return the favor". Understand that concept and start there in your search for who God is.

i have absolutely zero idea what you are trying to say here


but here's another Douglas Adams quote:

call it morphogenetic field, spirit or whatever, there is this global force existing which people are mostly able to connect when they unite with others in name of purposes that are serving life or when they connect with the natural matrix / help it's quality improvement in any possible way... right now what you see happening in the world is the exact opposite, right now we are generating desert out of the whole planet with that Cain & Abel mentality, so most of the people serve death these days... but since the timeline of life is mostly about cyclically repeating ups and downs, the humanity probably need to experience this kind of hell in order to gain even more experiential/spiritual knowledge