Just a few questions for thinking on....

Why is it that we only had one god since about 300BC ? After the Hebrews were freed in Babylon by Cyrus the Great and took on the beliefs of the the Assyrians/Persians except for the one god theory they came up with themselves when wondering why the Gods had forsaken them.

Why is it when you look at all the religions, they all say the same things ?

Why is it almost all stories in the Bible have a root in the original Sumerian text's that are thousands of years older ?
(i.e. Creation Story, Flood Story etc)
Even the story of Mosses is suspect for as a infant, he was placed in a basket covered in BITUMEN and placed in the Nile. Well guess what, There is no BITUMEN along the Nile. But there is along the Euphrates river in Iraq where the Sumerians lived.

More can be understood about religion when you can trace the migration of Language, Culture, Arts and Customs of the people.
Much of which was spread around the globe by those we seem to know as the Phoneticians. Even though the Egyptians and Greeks like to take credit for it. But I think most of those Phoneticians were migrated descendants of what we call Atlantis.

History is written by the victor and there have been plenty of battles for not so good of reasons ! Probably plenty more in the name of religion in store for us. But it really is only a story about power and greed.

Do you believe in a god that's not part of any organised religion?

How did you arrive at that feeble conclusion?

Get your shit together or explain about you god.

Study evolution. It's all there.

Of course, if we bled to death on every cut, we would have never got further than single cells.

sadly, for grapesoda to rely on calling everyone dipships, he doesn't believe in a higher power yet...

he should have said "organized religions & extremists, governments and media hype can create a problem for people to believe in a god or be open to a faith".

Many here should believe in a God, considering they use the US money every day :2 cents:

"God" is a rather ambiguous concept, while I don't believe in the traditional idea of "God" and I have a certain disdain for most organized religion I do find the concept of "God" to be rather real, though you might call her "mother Nature" or something else...the whole idea of intelligent design (not the nonsense spouted by dinosaur deniers) intrigues me as having a good amount of merit.

But I think God is something different to everyone and have no desire for anyone else to think about it the same way I do...if you do good, if you dont good, but as soon as it gets "followers" it gets corrupted and perverted by those who would use it as a means to control others.

While I lean towards the likelihood that there is no God, I am not arrogant enough to assume I know for certain. None of us can know for certain until we die.

I try to be a good person and live my life in a positive manner. Perhaps one day I will see or experience something that makes me believe one way or the other, but until then I will stay on the fence.

weird concept you have there Paul... I have nothing to explain and I owe you no explanation of my interior landscape nor my relationships, internal or external. how dare you even demand an explanation? if your relationship with G_d sucks, then man the fuck up and fix it, strop crying like a baby on internet forums :2 cents:

good point, I stand by dipshits though, I'm not longer 12 step although stopping my time at 26 years after conversation with my sponsor does give me insight into the programs :)

You sound quite convinced there, my friend. But you offer no counter-argument with your disagreement? Do you dispute the science behind the double-slit experiment / delayed choice quantum eraser? Do you dispute the big bang, and the instantaneous creation of all matter? Do you dispute that something has to exist in order for matter to be created entangled with it?

Or if its just a pile of shit because its all so far over your head that you can't even begin to comprehend it...ok, fair enough. No one expects counter-arguments from helmet-wearers. :thumbsup

By the way Paul, thanks for the thread. Lots of interesting discussion and viewpoints here.

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Paul I'm teasing you :winkwink:

This was only ever aimed at the Gentiles. He expected THEM to stop believing in God, because gentile gods from a Jewish perspective are idol worship.

I don't believe in god, but I'm becoming increasingly respectful of traditional Christianity as a means of resistance.

That's a long time to be with a sponsor & still be in business! You obviously have a knowledge of how to make things happen & create further performance :thumbsup

I would certainly believe you're a good guy & should believe there is a god above. Yes we create our own paths, but to stay strong & continue our path, we have to have faith & perseverance. Thus, there's something higher than just the persons we are to be this strong.

With what Paul's been through, to be here with us now, I'd have hoped he'd know that there's good and evil, another good man stands here with us :2 cents:

Interesting. I've never thought of it this way. I believe in something too, but I don't call it God. But hey, if my ultra-religious aunt is going to feel better by praying every day, going to church, etc, then why not, I'm fine with that if it is making her less depressed.

hang on, that's white blood cells creating skin which is nature...

yes incredible, but not a miracle, it's science.

science is not god, fact, science is the big bang, there fore there is no god, which is also a fair enough fact, point & believable existence.

There is good and evil, there's strengths that we find in faith...

live life and enjoy people :thumbsup

The evidence of religions goes back to Hunter/Gatherer times. The Abrahamic religions are recent inventions. So were the early religions inventions, the later ones, or all of them?

We're discovering planets where life could exist and probably does or did. Is it intelligent life at the level of a dog, Homo Sapiens circa 1,000 BC or 1,000 AD when both those times the people thought they had discovered all there was?

Or did in the pursuit of wealth and over population wipe itself out?

Humans have only been able to leave the Earth for a tiny fraction of the 500,000 years we existed.

There's nothing governing, karma, god, devil, good & bad. We govern ourselves.

Spirituality is a 'quality' of human interaction, without at least 2 people there is NO spirituality, you may have spiritual dialog with yourself however it is only through interactions that spirituality can manifest. just like love, love is a verb not a noun. doesn't matter what anyone says only what we do.

if Paul is pissed at G_D, that's for him to repair. it's none of my business just like my inner negations with 'the universe' are none of Paul business. Paul's only concern with me is how I treat him, nothing more. and honestly Paul is a bit of boob. always has been in the 13 years I have known him. Paul could have repaired his relationship though his struggles or tuned his back on the universe... obviously Paul chose to ignore the possibilities and remain ignorant about the true nature of life.... too bad for Paul, that's the road to bitterness and envy, which in the years I have seen Paul here at GFY, seems to be the case. we all have choices, we can move together or remain isolated and bitter... loudly proclaiming there is NO GOD.

My life is awesome, problematic yes, yet amazing beyond belief. would I give that up, deny G_D, just so a bunch of boobs on a message board will think I'm cool? not a fucking chance...

300BC? Try 6000BC. The god christians and muslims worship, DEUS, from ZEUS, Jupiter, and DYEUS PITAR (father god) all go back to the thunderer in the sky that scared the indo-european horse lords.

They say storms on the steps are awesome spectacles, you can see the lightening strike, and the thunder is a huge explosion. They're sitting there cowering and hoping the next bolt doesn't fry them. That is Dyeus Pitar. As they kicked the shit out of everybody, they displaced the moon goddesses and 9 headed dragons and such with DEUS who is god today. And of course allah and elohim come from the same root.

you really are a dumb ass aren't you? you do realize the implications of your argument correct? since a bronze age tribe didn't understand modern physics, G_D is false... you seriously going with that?

you really struggle with there being no connection between religion and G-D don't you...?

well Paul put your big boy pants on a sort it out will ya? gezz what a dope...

I stopped my time after my 26th anniversary, Dec 27th. I was on Norco's for pain resulting for injuries and the resulting operation. I had screws set in the bone, 4 ligaments reattached, bicep reattached and bone spurs ground down, 2.5 hours under the knife and grinder. put me down pretty hard for about 6 months. still working to recover financially.

I decided after much thought and conversation with my sponsor to drop the pills and go to weed. if I stop the weed I'll start my time back up... I'm pretty happy smoking weed :winkwink:

two words Aurora Borealis :1orglaugh

there are definite rules Paul, and definite actions and reactions. you may chose to ignore these and do it all yourself :1orglaugh

there are definite rules Paul, and definite actions and reactions. you may chose to ignore these and do it all yourself

here is the issue, you seem to be unable to pull the fairy tails out of the mix to see what's really going on. there is a saying that covers this where I come from: Paul, you can't tell shit from beans.

bingo! :thumbsup

Not sure exactly what your mean here. But whether you believe in god or not I don't believe the existence of science or the big bang is the deciding factor in whether there is a god.

One could argue that god was the creative energy that sparked the big bang and also the engineer of the laws of math and physics.

I guess my point is, the logic behind your point doesn't make a proper argument. The existence of science and the big bang doesn't disprove god. Noone and no thing can prove or disprove the existence of god based on what we know now.

There has never been anything that can prove there is a god, except that life exists, now is that a good enough proof? For some they believe on faith and others need more. Each of us has to make our own belief system based on our observations.

wow, you've seriously been through hell and back!

Has the pain gone now? Have you scars to deal with or are you secure in yourself?

I have several scars on the back of my leg and on my arms from when I was put through a glass door when I was a young girl. I laid on my bed bleeding, thinking I'd be in so much trouble with my parents, it happens when you're young.

How did you have such a brutal accident?

this is possible :thumbsup

“I am the punishment of God...If you had not committed great sins, God would not have sent a punishment like me upon you.” -- Genghis Khan **taunting the vanquished ...

My relationship with god or any supreme being is the same as my relationship with Harry Potter or Robinson Crusoe or any other fictional character.

Your version of god is the same as a few more here. It's a simple explanation for those who don't have a decent level of knowledge on evolution.

It took 100,000s of millions of attempts by evolution to arrive at the species now on Earth. And evolution is still happening today, it never stops.

You're right about having nothing to explain. Go do some studying and see why you have nothing.

You're welcome. I'm amazed that 1/3 of the people here believe in a god. Most of them use a god figure to cover their ignorance. Everything is explained up to the Big Bang. Did god do that?

Then is he a god or scientist or a kid playing with a box of matches and explosives? :1orglaugh

Then who created one of them? :1orglaugh

Sure i believe in god.its gives you Faith and peace on your soul

I was once told,
"It is better to believe in something than not to believe in nothing at all"

Stressing and losing sleep over what others do or don't believe in is a symptom of intellectual deficit.

Yeah until they show up and burn you to death, or beat you to death, or torture you to death, or whatever + to death.

https://evogeneao.s3.amazonaws.com/a...-life_2000.jpg

For me this disproves the idea of a supreme being. This isn't intelligent. It's hit and miss. With billions of dead planets and a tiny handful possible of life. Where the intelligence? You could throw a million darts at a darts board while drunk and blind and still get a better hit ratio than life.

this is the point I was making. This is science & not a god.

as DrJsn says "I guess my point is, the logic behind your point doesn't make a proper argument. The existence of science and the big bang doesn't disprove god. "

Because god could have triggered the whole big bang :2 cents:

Many people tell that they don't believe until there is something bad happened with them or their family/close friends. I think, that I'm the same person. :uhoh