So god only triggered the big bang, to achieve what?

God is an invention by people to control people and cover ignorance. There were so many different types of gods created we're left with this idea that one exists to explain what we don't know yet.

Consider this. Not one of these invented gods told the people, who claim he spoke spoken to any version of god. An ounce of truth. All those people came back with lies that made them more powerful. As a marketing concept, it was brilliant and why religion spread so well.

And still 33% of the people here who are bright enough to use the Internet believe in something that has no foundation.

Yes, people will grab at straws, even when they're imaginary straws. Dying men scream for their Mother. Knowing she's 1,000s of miles away.

let's not forget "god", or gods, if you believe in mythological as many do.

I was saying it is possible "the big man" could have created a big bang. Allowing the creations to form & those creations to act, grow, evolve & create as they do.

The devil, if this were true, was an angel, his wings cut because, naughty Lucifer did something bad & god sent him to look after all the bad people after many millions years of creations, our kind were here, destroying the world that had been created.

I don't think you can say "god is an invention" as you or I, do not know or can prove either way. Interesting to hear your side and hear you don't believe in faith & higher lords or wishes. You think God is an invention as I believe in higher spirits.

Pleased to say, good and bad, god and the devil, at least doesn't change who we are & what we believe. As you're a nice guy & I am a nice girl. I sometimes think that God could have been invented to keep people from being bad, but this can't be the case, as this is down to morals. Even with god in the word, there's still bad people that continue to be harm themselves and others.

Gary made a wish on his birthday, 2 days later my mother was released from hospital after undergoing chemo, a week before, nearly on deaths door. She was diagnosed with Cancer, a very bad, aggressive one, Maybe similar to you. She wasn't mean't to be well even on his birthday, then, by miracle, was well with in a day. He said nothing, and his wish was for my mother to be home to see her family, nothing selfish.

I believe in god or the fairies... has to be one or the other.

Anyway, how about raising the odds on this thread? Maybe this can add to all the interest of "is god real"

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flat earth :winkwink:

More proof there is no god.

World?s oldest fossils found in discovery with ?staggering? implications for the search for extra-terrestrial life | The Independent

Would a god with all those infinite powers bother with a Big Bang, send matter hurtling across the Universe then on a very select few. Create the building blocks to trigger life. Like making another piece of matter hit the Earth to create the moon, make another piece of matter his the Earth to start life, then after a billions of years stir a soup to create one/two cell organisms, which slowly evolved into fish, which slowly evolved to walk onto the land, which slowly evolve into dinosaurs, then send a metorite to kill most off and start the process again with mammmals and descendents of dinosaurs.

Then after billions of years, an ape decided it was better walking on the ground upright.

A million years later, he revealed himself and told a select few that if they worshipped a god, through them of course, he would control life and death, hunting, and eventually after Man had discovered Farming, the success of crops, wars, and of course who could live and die at the hands of Men.

And through all this god loves us. So go kill those other god worshippers who don't adhere to your version of god and have a nice piece of real estate.

No way, a god of any power would have made a much better job of it. Nature is controlled by fuck ups.

If there's alien life, can there still not be a god?

Via negativa, baby. Proving the nonexistence of God can actually be a proof of the existence of God.

Did an entity cause the Big Bang? Is that a "god"? Saying it could be, doesn't cut it.

Here's the problem. Why is he so silent when so many people claim to "know" him. Or whatever entity he is to individuals. There's the big problem, previously we were told solid stories on what he wants. Now we have people claiming he's not and that he's something else. Inner thought explains that.

Here's what we know. Everyone claiming to talk for or to him is a liar. Unless they're fooling themselves by talking to themselves. That's called prayer and has no basis in fact.

We know many claim to talk to him and come back telling the rest of us to do something for the messenger.
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What is proven is, it's never done anything for anyone they haven't done for themselves. Or made a lot of other people do for them. Or nature did and took a long time doing it.

It's impossible to prove something doesn't exist. It's easy to prove the myth of a god as taught to us.

Can I prove it's not speaking to people and they are in fact just talking to themselves? That has to be done by them telling us what he said. You'll find it's just self-motivation.

Yeah well... Try cutting of your head and see how that works out...:1orglaugh

Heavens No :2 cents:

I don't believe in god. But just like no one can prove that one does exist I can't say for certain that one doesn't.

But just look at what these "enlightened" individuals have to say about related matters:

Neil deGrasse Tyson thinks there?s a ?very high? chance the universe is just a simulation

We are ?almost definitely? living in a Matrix-style simulation, claims Elon Musk

They are basicallly saying they believe in a god or creator because someone or something had to create the simulation and that someone or something is effectively "god".



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?Now it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so mind-bogglingly useful could have evolved purely by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as the final and clinching proof of the non-existence of God.
The argument goes something like this: "I refuse to prove that I exist,'" says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."
"But," says Man, "The Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED."
"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.
"Oh, that was easy," says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing.?


― Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

I love how you have assigned task to a god you don't believe in... he did this but not this lol!! Paul and I are in email confab.. great fun

Ma, you prefer to use bronze age physics and a moral/social tale with historic liberties written 2600 years ago to stop the allowance of god? that's fuckin awesome! :1orglaugh

yup the more you think about it the weirder and more convoluted it gets :1orglaugh

the latest thoughts on the big bang are: it happened because it could. where did all the crap come from that blew up? over my paygrade :2 cents:

you are having a serious issue here Paul, you are repeating the words of men and blaming god for saying them... never stand up in court that's a fact :2 cents: and nature runs exactly as it has been designed to do. and I use design in terms of finished product, not in terms of a project to complete.

Personally I can separate church/religion and God.

If you can do that realizing that man creating religion in order to control other people vs. a alien being who assisted in creating life and is there ongoing. That in itself is extremely probable. Talking to my dad who is deeply religious I simply asked, "by definition God is an alien" which my dad admitted is accurate.

So in the end - try not to take religion and say it's God. It isn't.

For a long time I've always said, "in the beginning God created man -- later man decided to return the favor". Understand that concept and start there in your search for who God is.

i have absolutely zero idea what you are trying to say here


but here's another Douglas Adams quote:

call it morphogenetic field, spirit or whatever, there is this global force existing which people are mostly able to connect when they unite with others in name of purposes that are serving life or when they connect with the natural matrix / help it's quality improvement in any possible way... right now what you see happening in the world is the exact opposite, right now we are generating desert out of the whole planet with that Cain & Abel mentality, so most of the people serve death these days... but since the timeline of life is mostly about cyclically repeating ups and downs, the humanity probably need to experience this kind of hell in order to gain even more experiential/spiritual knowledge

A person can believe in God without being religious. Throughout history Religious texts have been manipulated to suit the ends of their leaders at the time. I don't think its right to let the worlds religions taint "God"

You can't blame God for everything bad that religion has done and the mixed messages they send or the books man wrote.

You also can't say because evolution is one-in-a-billion chance of happening or that because there are infinite amount of dead planets, that there can be no God.

The universe could be like a Rube Goldberg Machine. It was set in motion and now its just got to play out. Without interference from any gods.

There are theories about the Multiverse, which is multiple universes at the same time, an infinite amount of universes. Our concept of space and time is so limited that we can't even begin to understand what's really going on. Maybe each universe is a unique "experiment" Does that mean there can't be a god?

Perhaps one day science will be used to prove the existense of God. God may not be an entity or being the way the religions depict "him". God may be a force energy or field of consciousness of some sort that is more scientific than religious.

Just thing about the Big Bang. All the energy and matter that has ever existed and will ever existed sprang forth in a great explosion of light. Science says you cannot create or destroy energy, and you cannot get energy from nothing.

All that energy and matter came from somewhere, where did it come from and why?

Don't tell nobody...I have it from a good source it came from Ikea.

Just like Ed Norton found out in Fight Club.


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Let's assume some entity outside the natural world created the Universe. Obviously, they didn't have much more to do with it after that. Other than watching it develop for itself.

As for the Earth and Homo Sapiens. Zero evidence. So what is very provable is all the religions that have sprung up and our concept of a god-type entity is complete bull shit. So once you disprove the concept of a god. Why believe any god exists?As for a Matrix-style simulation. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

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Good point. I see god as a fictional figure. Invented to make money. :thumbsup

The myth of god goes back to the stone age. You will find that in a recent email.

You're using that myth to create your idea of a god. Madalton is pointing how logic destroys the myth.

Maybe you can tell us what god means to you, how he changes your life and if you go to a church which one.

The last part is the missing link. With roughly 1/3 of those claiming to believe in god. They're very reluctant to say what they believe.

They use the tactic of challenging logic and the obvious, to detract proving their argument. When faced with science, they dismiss it with a shrug and no counter debate. To keep making us prove what doesn't exist, doesn't exist.

So Grapesoda. Prove god does exist in any form you choose.

OK he exists as a fictional character. Got it.

As the only evidence of a god or gods are words of men. what else is there?

You are taking those words, which go back before the invention of writing and hanging a fictional character onto them. Where else would you get the concept of a god?

The amazing bit about this debate is the lack of posters who believe, explaining what they believe in.

It's easy to shoot down the religion when people state what they believe it is. Abrahamic religions are clearly Ancient Myths and it takes no time to prove the stories are based on falsehoods. Which is why so few say "I'm a Christian".

But when people say I believe in something, but don't say much about what that something is, other than the ability to talk to oneself via prayer.

Do they believe the good and bad things are the work of some power we don't know about? If so, explain.

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More than "we can never explain IT's actions" Because that's BS amnd uses the tool ancient rulers used to scare the peasants.