Before I turned to porn I was a professional Salesman and Sales Manager and trained in the real world about Marketing.

Marketing, as you know, is about emphasising the benefits of a product and getting the product seen. Often by emphasising those benefits. Marketing can't sell the product if the product is crap. Salesmanship can't sell shit twice. This is why some sites have 100,000s of members or retained visitors and some 10s.

What far too many rely on is getting traffic. And they fail. Even in selling porn. Because porn itself no longer guarantees a sale. It has to be bloody great porn today.

You want analytics?

https://www.similarweb.com/website/p...teendreams.com

One in surfers view is great, the other not so.

Back in the day, when people were amazed, there was porn online. Sales relied on just getting traffic, now people have become far more discerning.

I make 40k profit revenue per month on an adult subscription-type website that i started couple years ago.

What do you make besides recycling your posts on a daily basis?

Do you have anything to show that would back your rants up?

Agree.

Using this argument and applying it to porn, is wrong. since when were porn consumers neglected?

The question was.

So, you need to understand why people spend their money on other products/services and not yours... Why do they pick others? Why are others asses and boobs on display are better than yours?

Is it because they serve videos with more quality? Their site is more flow? No chunking?

Why do you choose to post here, buy the car you bought, buy Prime Beef instead of offcuts?

People buy because they're lied to or want/need what they buy.

As for more quality. A webcam site is a level playing field, the consumer picks the best quality girl for his needs, or moves to another site. Image quality and flow are problems that should always be fixed.

There's another way of marketing girls to consumers before they arrive a site. That's making a marketing video of her. Howard Stern would be a good place to start getting inspiration from. Saying it can't be done isn't an option.

I have a lot to show for it. Enough money to retire on with no money owed, no debt and enough pensions to tide me over till I die.

Obviously, you have no clue who I am. I was in porn before a lot of you were born and retired because at 58 my wife and business partner had a disastrous accident 6 months later and she was back walking. I discovered I had cancer. Two years late I had beat it and for 30 months neither of us worked. We lived off the money we have.

Google my name + porn.

Can I google you or will you show us you site making $480,000 per year.

I don't care what you say, ask anyone on this board - you come off like a really miserable fuck.


No, you can't google me for obvious reasons, but here you go, this is 2016 so far. Would you like NATS guys to verify it for you?

http://i.imgur.com/SwXPTHH.png

actually my specialty is handling returnable bottles :thumbsup

Why would you return bottles for a nickel each when homeless people can get them for free? :pimp

i paid out the deposit to anyone who returned them - including homeless people :winkwink:

I always knew you were a stand up guy!

You're the real money artist. Where did you get the initial 500k+ to make a mill and have 500k+ for yourself?

I started out with probably no more than $5k

That's the magic of the internet. Instant access to a market of billions of people is where it's at. You can become a millionaire starting out with a couple hundred bucks.

Only when talking to dickheads.



Who should I as at Nats. I would be furious if they gave out my earnings.

Do you get all that traffic from Google, is that bought traffic or SEO?

Agree. We doubled then tripled our income by just putting content, we had already shot, online and reselling it.

That was back in 2000. Today the market is changing for most. For most Tubes sucked the life out of porn. Cams don't make the money they used to before and Dating is going to the big boys. Even Apps like Tinder are killing sales for sites like Match.com

With 159,000 raw uniques a day, you're either the God of SEO or buying traffic.

I see you have affiliates in there as a cost. So why not a link to this site?

Interesting

The trick is most people suck at that. And your making it up with the only $5k starting capital only proves you're rather exception not a rule. The scaling, rinse and repeat, automation things are hard to maintain :)


Be my mentor, show me how to grow my $5k up to 100k in a year. Please.

Uhhh...yeah, Google. That's why he paid out $383,000 to affiliates.

http://studionorth.co.uk/wp-content/...fused.com_.jpg

This is a funny thread.

Classic GFY. Someone shares numbers, are accused of lying. They share a screenshot, and now everyone wants to pick apart the business model as to discredit them.

Stop trying to find reasons why other people "got lucky" and get to work for fucks sake.

Yes a lot of his traffic come from affiliates. I'm not disputing that.

How does the rest come, SEO or Bought?

What are the costs of his site, what is he selling?

My point is a site has to make traffic stay and buy and on 1-1,000 his ratios are good. Maybe he has a site that makes surfers stay and buy.

He's disputing what I say and in fact, maybe he should be backing me up as he has a good site.

The traffic numbers are too high to come exclusively from his SEO work. Unless he runs a brand name site. Think about what you see.

I know everyone reads stuff and swallows without thinking.

Not true. No one has said he's lying. In fact, a lot just believe anything they see, at face value.

GE started by saying concentrating on getting traffic to the site is more important than the site. 1-1,000 stats $383,000 to affiliates shows to me he's got a site that's pretty good. Would he get, convert that traffic and keep affiliates with a crappy site? In 2016!!!!!!!

The days of selling average porn at 1-1,000 are long gone. There's no "got lucky" in that. I suspect he's really a supporter of what I said and already has a good site.

Well, without knowing what sort of site it is, let's assume he's doing 50% revshare, and that in common with a lot of NATS based sponsors he splits processing fees with affiliates. If you work the numbers out it means his affiliates brought in somewhere around $890,000 out of the $1,125,000 total, that's 79%. Assuming all his traffic converts uniformly, then 79% of his traffic comes from affiliates. It's quite possibly higher than that but these are a lot of assumptions.

Oh and 1:1000 is good but not exceptional. I'm doing 1:600 so far this year.

we are registered in our own system as affiliate as well and we are our biggest affiliate. food for thought!!!

There is that.

What's the purpose of doing that just out of interest?

We do it for tracking purposes and just mark it as in-house accounts. Not sure how NATS handles that though.

The first thing to succeed is stop thinking negative. There simple sites that make very good money with a simple wordpress theme. You start, learn, involve, make something new, adjust, be creative and make more money. And the Nats stats look great.

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Actually, we don't have affiliates. This is an in-house account used to track different traffic sources. I do have a partner though, who i split profit with.

Affiliates used to be a good thing in the past, when they actually had traffic, but nowadays affiliates don't matter much since very few have their own traffic sources.

P.S.
My initial argument to Paul Markham stands: it doesn't matter that you sell what is already available on 100 other sites. What matters is that your site gets shown to surfers first, so out of 100 similar sites they buy yours because they see it first. Traffic is king, always has been.

This.

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Exactly. Without more info we can only assume. Then it comes down to personal levels of acceptance. I*n business I've been taught the hard way to not accept anything at face value.

1-1,000 is good on that traffic volume. If he's doing it all himself he's a genius, if he's buying traffic which would explain the volume, it's good.

Still maintain that the site has to be good.

A simple site can still be good to surfers.

Of course showing it matters. showing surfers something they want to buy is more important. Your stats prove that.

Traffic has to be second to Content these days. Because sending 58 million (158,000 a day) people to a site that offers nothing 100s of others offer. Doesn't convert at 1-1,000.

Getting that much traffic in a year is also an indication you buy traffic. Which makes it even better stats.

Of course simple to just show the site. I'm sure many here know it if it's so great.

Of course, if I'm wrong and you get that traffic any other way. You are indeed a god among men. Not sure everyone here will agree that affiliates don't have traffic. I tend to agree with you that most are a waste of space.

So you do have other affiliates.

No matter how much traffic a site can get. People are no longer buying mediocre because they landed on your site.

If they were, we would all be a lot richer.

Experienced people know that while getting traffic is important the difference in ratios between what can be achieved with Content like my crap and Met-Art level are poles apart. The hard part is affording to buy or being able to create what the top tier of professional producers ask for.

This is the same in all fields and not exclusive to porn. Prime Aberdeen Angus Burgers vs Macdonalds, Rolls Royce vs Ford, etc.

No one sends traffic to a site that doesn't convert. Redwhiteandblue gets 1-600, that's good. Never assume everyone can get 1-600 on any old site with any old site. Affiliates need to feed in more than 600 to their sites or promo content to send 600 people. And there's the clue Content is King.

How does an affiliate attract a surfer to click on a link? With average promo or the best, he can manage?

How does he keep surfers attention? With average promo or the best, he can manage?

How does he convert surfers? With average or the best, he can manage?

All through the process surfers are free to leave, you're not herding sheep, you're herding cats and the best way to herd cats, is offer them a juicy fish they want. Then they will go where you want them to go.

And never ever underestimate the power of satisfied return customers. They're gold.

If you want to keep arguing just so that you can feel better about yourself and feel right - go ahead.

But i don't lie when i say that i sell below average content that can be found on the net for free.
Traffic and marketing is king.

Then you are a god amongst men and no one should try to copy you. My comments are for us mere mortals.

Oh holy one, please show us your below average content ads, landing pages and sites so we can come and worship at your feet. You have no fear of us mere mortals competing with such a god.

of course.

My comment was more aimed towards our new god. He does all this with only his partner. Do gods need partners?