Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21304927)

My comment was more aimed towards our new god. He does all this with only his partner. Do gods need partners?

Originally Posted by Roald (Post 21304951)

We're an old company with many affiliates, much less active than in the old days but still substantial.

I have not much doubt about GE generating this with just his partner since he is not the only one doing it. Just because you don't know about them doesn't mean they are not out there. Making money flying under the radar selling a mediocre product that's just really well packaged and presented.

carry on :2 cents:

Originally Posted by OldJeff (Post 21305353)

Paul, you know I really do like you, and I am still pulling for your GFY HOF induction (see sig) but really:

You have never had success selling memberships, you had reasonable success selling content.


Allow me to answer all of your questions to GE

What are your sites?

None of your business.

Where do you get your traffic?

None of your business.

Why do you have a partner?

None of your business.


Google Expert, I hope to meet you one day (If I haven't already) maybe we can do some mutually beneficial business, if not that's OK too, I like to talk to intelligent people.

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 21305434)

Interesting how some people define *successful* :2 cents:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21305422)

If he was normal for people driving traffic. The business wouldn't be running down. You certainly can't do it as you're an employee.

Carry on :2 cents:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21305455)

I
If he was the norm, or even amongst top 10% of people. He wouldn't be showing those numbers. If he's extra exceptional then he can do those figures with an average site, content, product. What the rest of us can't do is try to match him.

Originally Posted by Google Expert (Post 21305659)

I
I don't know why you constantly create your preaching threads without having anything to show for yourself..

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21305455)

It started to be my business when he posted in a thread I started about Starting a new business successfully.

If he was the norm, or even amongst top 10% of people. He wouldn't be showing those numbers. If he's extra exceptional then he can do those figures with an average site, content, product. What the rest of us can't do is try to match him.

You've been at it a long time, can you do those figures or even have a clue how he does selling memberships with nothing great?

I'm saying GE is the exception of the best. Because if these were achievable by mere mortals. Porn would be flourishing.

Originally Posted by Google Expert (Post 21305659)

I'm not exceptional. I'm not even out of the ordinary. What i'm kind of decent at is generating traffic - and this is what always brought me money.

I used to be a regular affiliate for years, but then I got tired of getting fucked over by programs and by companies going out of business and not paying, so i decided to create my own paysites.

I didn't know anything about starting or running paysites. I had zero experience in billing, i still don't know any programming or design. I hire people to do all the work for me.

I basically copy what other people do in this business. That's what always worked for me - you find a successful business model and copy it, making improvements along the way.

Reading all your threads - you're always fixated on negativity, with your way of thinking you are set out for a failure from the start. You are sure that everyone around you are either exceptional and out of the norm or that something is over-complicated and impossible to achieve.

I don't know why you constantly create your preaching threads without having anything to show for yourself. You constantly make points that you can't back up, people tell you that you are wrong, but you don't listen and continue to post/recycle your drivel.

Originally Posted by OldJeff (Post 21305902)

Yes, I can and do, do those kinds of numbers.

I have no clue how he does them.

Originally Posted by cocksucker mcgee (Post 21305839)

You stupid brah?

Markham is legend. He make enough $$$ to buy HIS OWN HOUSE in East Europe. Also too, he has state pensioning he makes. And also he retire, but from sell content's on adultcentro and sigwhoring's.

Originally Posted by Google Expert (Post 21305659)

I basically copy what other people do in this business.

Reading all your threads - you're always fixated on negativity,

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21306352)

If you did that traffic and convert like he does, you would be telling us. Also the industry wouldn't be winding down and people looking for brokering deals on already cheap content.

This is assuming he's doing the norm porn paysite and not something else.

Originally Posted by OldJeff (Post 21307570)

http://takeoldjeffsmoney.com/reserve.jpg

10% reserve released on Nov 1, from 1 company

And no, I wouldn't be telling anyone, I do not exist to educate the terminally irrelevant in the business.

Originally Posted by OldJeff (Post 21307570)

http://takeoldjeffsmoney.com/reserve.jpg

10% reserve released on Nov 1, from 1 company

And no, I wouldn't be telling anyone, I do not exist to educate the terminally irrelevant in the business.

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21306382)

You're exactly the same. You mostly post put downs and pointing finger posts. I was shocked to see this post of yours with thought and introspection, but then, of course, it turns into you insulting & degrading Paul, sentence after sentence, as if you yourself weren't a shitstain of negativity yourself :thumbsup :1orglaugh

The irony that you use the word expert in your name yet blatantly say all you do is copy other people smh

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21307855)

To remind people what my thread is about.



So far the snipers have had nothing to say except "I do it different" then post images that if I posted would be called fake. Has anyone met any of the detractors, know who they are in real life, done business with them?

Have we seen one thing to prove they do it the old way and make big bucks?

If the porn paysite business was making the kind of figures some claim. We would be going like it was 2006. Or these guys are bullshitting us.

Put up or shut up.

Originally Posted by Google Expert (Post 21304870)

If you want to keep arguing just so that you can feel better about yourself and feel right - go ahead.

But i don't lie when i say that i sell below average content that can be found on the net for free.
Traffic and marketing is king.

Originally Posted by candyflip (Post 21308464)

Could you sell Paul's shitty content? That there would be the true test. :1orglaugh:winkwink:

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 21299257)

I take issue with that statement and I'll tell you why.

1. Uber
2. PayPal
3. Twitter
4. Tesla -- Solar City
5. Amazon
6. Netflix

These are some examples of 21st Century (contemporary) marketing successes. They all involve a past-time business segment (transportation, retailing, finance,entertainment) where a neglected market segment was secured from the incumbent who had neglected this under served consumer segment. These usurpers captured their neglected market segment initially -- then have scaled out that segment.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21144154)

I'm prompted to write this because of all the threads I see from people who think starting an online porn business/site is easy.

It's the opposite and people should think long and hard about it. This is 2016 and we've had 20+ plus years of online porn.

For a business/site to succeed it has to bring something new and better to the table. Or just shave off a micro-layer from all the others doing the same. Because there are others who have been around for years, successful and have all the elements needed to keep going. Imagine opening a grocery store opposite a Tescos or Ralphs. With products they sell, but far fewer, same price and the same level of service. Will it succeed?

That's the situation every startup porn site faces. Your product has to be different and better than the competitions. How you do that is hard to answer with one rule for all. Because for most people, the solution is beyond their grasp. If it were achievable for all, everyone would do it and we would all be back at square one.

Myfreecam did come up with a new model of camming and made a killing. Then Chaturbate popped up, now there are more and the old model cam sites are dying.

Don't know the first porn Tube, but the same happened. One popped up, then a few more. now there are so many only the top tier make real money.

Same with Teen porn. Barely Legal magazine, then there were 20 in the US.

Girls getting fucked in cars, leg sex, big tits, gonzo, reality, POV, and so on.

The last thing the consumer needs is another site doing what 100s of other sites do.

Originally Posted by OldJeff (Post 21307972)

No one does it "the old way" that is the equivalent of opening a VHS rental store. You evolve or you die. Has been that way since the Earth was formed.

Selling "content" has gone the way of the dinosaur, selling "perception" now that is alive and well, Ask Microsoft, Apple, etc, etc, etc. Marketing of any kind is all about perception, people have not bought 250 million George Foreman grills because they are the best thing ever, they bought them because they were marketed well.

If sales were based on "The Best" the Mercedes would be the best selling car in America, not the mediocre Toyota Camery

Originally Posted by candyflip (Post 21308464)

Could you sell Paul's shitty content? That there would be the true test. :1orglaugh:winkwink:

Originally Posted by Google Expert (Post 21308482)

I'm not sure that I would be able to give it away for free.

Originally Posted by Internet Guy (Post 21308491)

Excellent post! Spot on. Many of those industries enjoyed oligopoly style control over their markets, and when you have this - what's the point of innovating (making your service better), they grew complacent and opened big windows for new players

I would add Banks and "Fintech" maybe even Fintech/Crypto Assets, that is an industry which is begging for a shake up - huge profits, dominated by a handful of giants (in my country anyway) - and slow but steadily, they are seeing a new system crop up which is designed not to fight them, but build something new and simply walk around them and their antiquated ways. I just noticed, you actually did write "finance" in there, haha. Posting anyway ;)

ps. twitter hasn't even made a profit yet. Curious if they found somebody to buy the company yet? know they were/are looking.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21309061)

I still have customers who can sell it. They must be better at selling porn than you are.

Originally Posted by Google Expert (Post 21309109)

So is it easy to sell average content or is it hard?

Make up your mind already. You seem confused :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 21309160)

I wasn't talking about porn -- fuck that LOL

I am talking about peeing with the ''big dogs" internet broadcasting with the people sharing the loot.

IPO buddy -- not some small time sleaze.

Top feeding :2 cents: You are swimming in the muck at the bottom -- I am very tired of that shit. Besides there are less and less fish to eat at the bottom :winkwink: