An average citizen here earns the money in envelope and nobody knows the real amount. Haven't you ever asked yourself a question why "poor" Russians travel the world more than the "rich" Americans? I'm not talking about absolute numbers (your population is more than 2x times bigger than ours). I'm talking about relative figures (number of world travels per one citizen a year) - only Germans travel more than Russians. Also ask yourself why those "poor" Russian clerks drive Range Rovers and buy apartments in Moscow for many 100's of thousand dollars? Why 25% (according to Wikipedia) of those "poor" Russian families have at least two places of living: city apartments and a dacha house? I believe there is something wrong with your math ;)

In the States and in Russia you will face a jail time for selling illegal weed. Illegal taxi service is not a crime here. Max that the police can do is to fine you for a couple thousands of rubles, but first of all they have to prove it, which is nearly absolutely impossible. The personal tax evasion here is also not a serious crime. If caught, you may be fined up the the amount of the tax you didn't pay for the last 2 years (>2 years old tax evasion can not be prosecuted) and you won't got to jail for that. This is how the corruption works. Have I said that Russia is very corrupted? Yes, I'm saying it again and again. Do I like it? No, but the most of population is used to live this way. From your point of you it should look like anarchy, but it isn't. This game has very strict rules and everybody knows them. E.g.: selling drugs is a big "no", while doing an illegal taxi service is ok. The same rules apply to other spheres of economics here. If you know the rules and don't cross the line, you are fine.

:1orglaugh no no no genius, just checked the wiki link & it says Monaco not Malta :thumbsup


From the map, it shows the Monaco amount over north Italy :2 cents:


Saying this, then considering, yes it' an independent state, but still on the French south coast. Still a huge difference between France & Monaco, south France :2 cents:

oh, nico :321GFY :winkwink:

False. While most Americans don't travel internationally, they dominate in terms of traveling for leisure along with the Finns. The reason why Europeans travel internationally more often is because the continent is half the size of the continental US.

The world's most well-travelled nations revealed: Finns and Americans holiday 7.5 times a year... but Brits only take three trips | Daily Mail Online

Even according to that weird stats, Russians travel the World two times more than Americans as 0.4 vs 0.2.

How come? And why you say "false"?

Why I call that stats weird? That's because the world travels there are summed with the internal ones. The world travels are easy to count: once you crossed the borders of your country you are traveling. Now tell me what the internal travel is? Do I travel when I'm visiting my relatives in another city of the Moscow region every week? Do I travel when I'm visiting my friends in a city 1500 km away from Moscow? Who counts all those internal trips and how? What the internal travels are and how to count them?

So in my post above I said that "poor" Russians travel the world more often than the "rich" Americans, but you said it's "false". Provide the proof then.

Also I don't agree about Finnish tourists. When you go to any touristic country, you can see a lot of Germans, Brits and Russians there, but it's really hard to find the Finnish tourists. When you read the menu in some Italian, Spanish, Turkish, Caribbean, Chinese or Thai restaurant you can see the local language, English, German and Russian, but you won't find the Finnish one. If you wanna see a Finish tourist, go to St. Petersburg - they come there for a cheap vodka.

P.S. You haven't answered to my question: what's your personal tax rate?

what difference does it make if it's domestic vs international? Travel is travel, and US citizens travel 10x more than Russians...

getting in a car and going 200 miles from Germany to Austria or from Russia to Ukraine is somehow more "special" and should count more (because it's "international"), than going from Chicago to LA or Miami? :error :1orglaugh

traveling from Chicago to Miami is not any different than traveling from Moscow to some black sea resort in Ukraine (which until recently would count as "international" travel)... :2 cents:

perhaps look up population of Finland? :winkwink::error

Once again, I'm talking about World travels only - the rater expensive flights from one country to another, living in hotels etc. It has nothing to do with cheap ass trailer trips. As you can see, "poor" Russians can afford to travel the World twice more than "rich" Americans. The internal movement from one city to another is not a travel in my opinion at all and it simply can not be counted for the statistics.

Don't want to be an ass, but all those Ukrainian Black Sea resorts now belong to Russia (google for Crimea)... Also the Black Sea resorts are not so popular destination for Russians after the collapse of Soviet Union. The most popular ones are Turkey, Egypt, Spain, Italy, Greece, Cyprus, Thailand and Caribbeans (Cuba and Dominican Republic).

Good to know my Balkan brothers are sisters are earning those big bucks as usual :waaaaahh The only thing i learned from this is that I should move to Lichenstein apparently...alas for I am not of blue blooded European stock lol

Isn't the more accurate measure of determining income not based on averages but medians?

My god you're retarded. World traveling has nothing to do with cost. The cost is based on how long the flight is. That's why countries like Australia and New Zealand rank low on international travel. It's not because Russians have more money, it's because those countries are fucking far away. Let's take Italy for example. Flying from Moscow to Rome is 3 hours 45 minutes. Flying from NYC to San Diego is almost 6 hours. Your comment about Finnish travelers is also extremely stupid because they're a small country. You're not going to see a lot of them anywhere except Finland. It doesn't mean that they don't travel. It means that Finland is fucking small.

this is old info.. it has changed for the last 5 years :error

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Thank you professor for this wise comment. Have your mom told you are a special one? Jesus, this world would be so boring w/o idiots.

Try to get from Moscow to Vladivostok, clown. NYC to San Diego, my ass ))) When I'm speaking about world traveling, I'm speaking about fuckin' world traveling. It doesn't matter how big my country is (yours is too small to locate it one the map). I'm taking about people who can afford to travel the world and the people who can't.

Are you ready now to tell me about your personal tax rate? Mine is 6%, so go ahead - I hope you can surprise us with your own outstanding wage/tax index ;)

1700 euros as average salary in Spain or Italy ?
yeah, right

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Why not?

Lots of people going to Vladivostok for holidays right? Oh right, no one does that because its a shithole. Yes CZ is small, which makes it pretty easy to do "world travelling".

CZ has a flat personal tax rate of 15%. If you're not completely retarded you can get your burden lower than that, which means maybe you should just stay in Russia :D

Under the middle-class neo-liberal socialists, most Europeans are poorer. No need to give you proof it's everywhere.

The first World has to stop trying to solve the Third Worlds problems and making a few Third World leaders richer. That will take people who only care about Europeans.

I will now save my breath and wait for your detailed reply of the benefits of allowing millions with no skills to migrate to Europe while exporting working class jobs the migrants are fit for.

What did the middle-class liberal socialists ever do for us?

As usual. CyberSEO is on top of things. Operates with figures but still remains arrogant.

Russia fucking sucks

1000$/ pill rules :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Shhhh.... don't tell :costumed15 cyberseo :costumed15 he's still not a first world country.

Solving "first" world problems made him think he is.

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