I will give my verdict after I've seen it. Can't wait.

It's pretty hard to gauge this since the bias on both sides is staggering. Plus there are practically no even slightly unbiased mass media left.

That leads to an absurd situation having one candidate that, in a sensible world, would never even be considered given her track record in public office and outside of it.

Proven track record of disastrous foreign policy, in bed with big business, high probability of selling classified information and an overall history of shady backroom deals. Nixon and Watergate looks like a boy scout operation compared to her.

Then there is the other one who may be even too much of an alternative and whose style inevitavly causes that plenty of people simply won't ever like him.

But again the massive bias and die hard team mentality is what makes it very hard for most to even slightly accept anything even remotely objective about the candidate they don't cheer for.

You can see that on this board everyday.

Trump is 100% right on bringing jobs back to the West. Taxing imports is the way to level the field for companies who make goods in the Third Wolrd and sell in the First.

Relying on small businesses to replace the jobs big businesses exports is a failure and will only get worse.

He's right on stop and frisk. If the people in the lawless areas happen to be Black or Hispanic. Of course. the figures are going to show that more Black or Hispanic are being frisked. The anal retentive PC agenda needs to shut the fuck up on that. What those areas need are jobs that pay a decent wage, jobs that are currently leaving the US.

Trump is right on the US paying to protect other countries. Countries like Japan, S. Korea, Europe have to pay towards the costs.

To me, Hillary was promising to change what she's been a part of creating.

While there is a legit debate to be had about trade tariffs (there are a lot of people smarter than me who say Trump doing this would be terrible for the country as a whole and not really save jobs), stop and frisk is a horrible idea. Not only is is likely unconstitutional, it has yet to be shown to really work (there are plenty of stats that showed crime was going down in NY before they even started stop and frisk). I don't want to live in a country where a cop can just stop me and frisk me simply because he feels like it or thinks I look a certain way. Fuck that!. Helping to bring jobs into those neighborhoods and improving education so the kids can see that there is a future out there for them is how to fix many of the problems in these high crime communities. If you thought there was tension between the police and some black communities now, just wait until they start randomly stopping and frisking people. It will cause chaos.

"Hey, I'm pacing myself. No point bashing in Hillary in the first debate. America always loves the guy who comes up from behind against the establishment."

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I'm sorry to burst your bubble. But true oligarch and one of worlds biggest threats is George Soros, top sponsor of the Clintons. He is their puppetmaster.
The man is so extremely dirty, if you start digging you will be schocked how comprehensive this mans plans to destroy countries are. He comes closest to a real life 'world domination' supervillain we only know from comics. I didn't expect calculating world influencing criminals like this actually existed.

He buys governments all over the world for his own gain.
Few days ago it came to light that Soros wanted to buy the Dutch prime minister. Officially the deal didn't come to fruition, but our prime minister being a true slave to the establishment (like Clinton and Merkel) i would not be surprised if he is bought off the record. We as Dutch citizens tend to go against the establishment a bit more than our fellow European countries. He tried to disrupt democracy here by funding an aggressive and sickening (I have read the leaked docs - you thought "wag the dog" was bad) pro EU/Ukraine brainwash campaign. Luckily the citizens didn't fell for it.

"Divide and conquer" is his credo. Aside from paying his slave Clinton he also funds racist group BLM to create division in the US, which is getting more and more successful. He funds pro immigrant groups and ad campaigns in the EU, which has since grown to an invasion which is destroying our societies. I could go on and on.

Dig and you shall find. The things Clinton, along with handler Soros, is connected to is truly evil and makes Trumps negative things pale in comparison. A few bankruptcies, insults and not showing your tax returns are childs play and become completely irrelevant once you discover the Clinton cesspool.

You have to take your time and effort for the truth, which means investigate, read leaked documents, connect all the dots... and you have your real, objective news. Not a lot of people do this, they just repeat the propaganda headline at their favourite so called "news" channel.

So I suppose all that shit about landing on the moon in the sixties, the aliens and spacecraft at Area 51, and the Kennedy assassination never happened? Almost forgot 9/11 too. And now this Soros is on the brink of taking over the entire planet? I did not know this.

When you say "He established himself" you mean "he got over ten million dollars in loans from his daddy" then sure.

We have this concept of "the establishment" but Trump is all about the establishment. This is a man who dominates Wall Street. He pulls the strings. Trump has already told us he buys and sells politicians.

i have no idea how you come up with all those topics that have nothing to do with what i said. Are you saying that when I try to educate myself with various sources and come to a conclusion based on facts, you push me in the conspiracy theorist corner?

Because I am not judging things on simplistic propaganda headlines like primates like you, but am interested in the underlying facts before i form my view, you somehow see that as a bad thing... You're insane.

I didn't think he did too bad at the beginning. Then he started to unravel. When she started talking about him not paying taxes and replied over her saying "That makes me smart".

Dumbass thing to say.

Lemme let you in on a little secret. No one that hasn't already made up their mind a long time ago cares. Hillary better be coming up with a way to convincingly pretend to be anti-establishment or she is fucked.

heres an LOL for you - everything you link to is liberal bias...

so why would something with a bias bother you? you bathe in wilfull ignorance.

clinton cash...still waiting for you to inform yourself that you are voting for a felon.

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LOL! coming from a CNN cock gobbler.

anyone who links to CNN should not be allowed to debate politics online.

what a fucking dullard, to hear you whine about bias.

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michael moore is on the money. i respect a liberal that knows what a load of horseshit his own party is selling.

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At least you got one thing right.-

Hillary obviously "won" meaning she did a better job and actually answered questions

People voting in these supposed polls would vote for their candidate no matter what happened

That's not why he's worried. He's wholeheartedly cheerleading for the democrats. The reason he is nervous, despite anything that can be said about the man, is that he has a firm understanding on how the poor and working class think. He knows they don't think very highly of Hillary Clinton and they are out for establishment blood.

This does not bode well for her.

his tweets obviously went over your head

He is worried about complacency costing the dems the election

A lot of people haven't made up their mind yet.

We can argue about who is anti-establishment or part of the establishment until we are blue in the face, but the reality of this is.... We need someone with experience. Trump has zero experience with any of this. Trump understands business, how to build a building or run a resort; He no idea what is involved with a treaty like TPP. He will have no idea how to nominate a Supreme Court Justice, no less how to fix the VA.

You pick a name out of a hat that republicans approve of. Saying a man who made a billion dollar company unable to pick a justice is laughable at best.

What I don't understand about the debate is when trump was getting drilled about not paying taxes he could have said...

Hillary, you are filthy rich and have created nothing. You are a professional politician that lines your pocket with pay to play money. To the tune of millions and millions of dollars. Who cares if you give back some to the feds... you are a crook at the expense of the American people. We don't want you anymore!

Bam... done. Trump would have clobbered her.

The people ain't voting for any of that shit. They are voting against the standing political order.

You can talk about what we need all day and none of it is going to matter.

Hillary is a terrible candidate I agree and coming off 8 years of a dem president history shows 12 years of one party is very unlikely.

Trump will either lose to her or god forbid win by the slightest of margins

that tells you all you need to know about your awesome candidate/movement

actually dipshit, he wrote a lengthy 5 point article about why he thinks trump will win.

point 1, hilary & neo liberals are on the wrong side of trade.

point 2, dumb boilerplate about fake white racism...

point 3, hilary is the problem (something your too dumb to see)

point 4, the party is out of touch with real liberals

point 5, voters will take chances.

maybe your should read it & not sound so fucking dumb next time. :1orglaugh

Does anyone really believe that we can put someone with no experience in office and they will be able to do better? LOL.

he wrote at length how the party is on the wrong side of trade & that hilary is out of touch with the base & nobody is excited to vote for her. all of this is true & contrary to the load of bullshit that comes from liberals in the media & their lying polls. moore is one of the few liberals that has clear eye glasses.

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like obama? LOL! his community organizing & harvard schmoozing & absentee voting in the senate was just the experience a president needs, right?

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If "fixing" what currently exists was the issue neither of those people would have been on that stage last night.

And yet here you are about Soros. The rest of everybody must have missed that. Not seeing Soros as a threat in the media. Is that a sidebar somewhere? Anywhere? You're a Trump supporter, we get that. You hitched your wagon to the wrong star, but sometimes life's like that. You'll learn more when you get into your twenties.

and obviously the whole thing has also went over your head...not suprising


Anyway I am not a fanboy of either of these turds...of course Hillary is a problem she is a terrible candidate. To be proud that he MIGHT win by the slightest of margins after 8 years of a dem president tells me everything.

To be such a fan of this clown...what exactly do you do? why are you on here? what is your connection to the industry? honestly who the fuck are you?

cool it with the antisemitism

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i feel like you're talking to your ignorant self... let me know when you wake up :thumbsup

And this is the problem - What's "wrong" and why do we need to fix it?

We do this every four years. "We need change". Why? Unemployment has been dropped in half. The US poverty rate is falling. Income is up. What more do you want?

Oh, the deficit is up. WTF did you expect? The last administration left us in a massive recession. But clearly the next Republican administration will fix it, right? Just like the last administration, right? Bullshit - This is what they say every four years. They complain about the deficit, promise to fix it, and never fix it.

Clearly what we need is someone with no experience.

the country is full of morons...nobody is going to solve all the problems

"make america great again"

when was it great in the first place? and for whom?

This is the last time I'm going to stake out my position to you and I will try to present it as clearly as I possibly can.

People are massively dissatisfied with their government. Most want massive change at any cost. The only candidate that represent any change what-so-ever is Donald Trump

Policy DOES NOT MATTER. Logic DOES NOT MATTER. EVERYTHING YOU'RE CONVINCED MATTERS COULD NOT MATTER LESS. Only the dismantling of the current political order does. The people are just about pissed off enough to get what they want.... for better or worse. This is why I'm convinced Trump is headed for a win.

Again.. NOTHING YOU THINK MATTERS DOES.

IMO, OP

Trade tariffs would raise a lot of taxes, make imported goods more expensive. The people telling you they're a bad thing are the pro-globalisation lobby funded by the rich.

Stop and frisk has reduced crime in more than NY. The problem is the crimes are committed in areas of poverty which are also areas of ethnic minorities, so the PC crowd hate it. I wouldn't want to live in an area where people are free to carry guns.

Yes bringing jobs back to the poor will reduce crime. Start by taxing imports from companies who are removing jobs from those areas.

The only chaos it will create is among those who are likely to be found to be carrying guns. Stirred up by the PC crowd. The people who live in areas of high crime are black and Hispanic. They need their community to be safer by making it harder to carry a weapon. I've been stopped and frisked many times because I once fitted the wrong profile. But I see you assume it will be black people rioting.

Why is the only one with a plan to change things, the empty suit?

Trump offered plans, Clinton offered no change. Not that she can, she's been part of the problem for 26 years.

Trump's not great, but he has put the fear of god into the establishment.

Look at incomes again. Then look at what jobs have been created.

Bill Clinton created the bubble that burst.

But you're right you do this every four years and those with the richest backers get in time after time. And there's why the richest are the only ones to see their incomes rise over the last 20 years.

What the US needs is people not on the leash of billionaires. How much did the people like the Koch Brothers and big banks donate this time?

100% spot on. The only thing that will bring change is voters not voting for the same again. Clinton is the same again.

I don't think there is any question who are the idiots in these Trump threads. Every time you and your lot post anything it certainly isn't an original thought because you have evidenced no intelligence in anything yet. That you can be swayed by a Barnum & Baily snake oil salesman like Trump says everything about you morons. You are the one that needs to wake up. You should have paid more attention in school. That you want to sit at the feet of a buffoon billionaire like he's going to toss you a burger now and again is awesomely tragic.