Originally Posted by NewNick (Post 21205132)

Nonsense.

A disruptive business model or technology provides solutions in existing markets or creates new markets which render existing products services and businesses obsolete.

Trump does none of that.

He sits on the side calling names and pandering to the insecurities and fears of your average Joe.

And thats the problem with the average Joe. He is fucking average. Life has not dropped Joe into a fabulous Job, with a beautiful wife, Joe's life story is not sung by David Byrne. Of course Joe wonders where it all went wrong and Trump gives him a focus for his dissatisfaction.

Trump is doing the easy but - pointing out that life for Mr average is not that fucking great. Well no shit.

Life is nasty brutish and short. Trump does not get any prizes for working that out. Unfortunately neither does he offer any solutions. Its easy enough to put the blame on minorities and foreigners. Easy enough to castigate the political elite for failing poor old Joe.

But what the fuck are you going to do about it Trump ?

And please please please dont give me that "bring the jobs back bullshit".

US consumers like their German and Japanese cars. They like their electronics built in Asia, and they certainly like it all at the right price.

US industrial output is 4 times the size it was in 1960, yet it employs 1 third of the people it did at that time. That is why Joe does not have any job security. The Jobs have not gone to Mexico or China, the jobs have been lost to technology - and is Trump going to squeeze the Genie back into the bottle ?

Originally Posted by Joshua G (Post 21205366)

you could save yourself a lot of time & energy, just writing "im a dumbass" rather than writing 10 paragraphs that convey the same exact message.

:1orglaugh

Originally Posted by Joshua G (Post 21205366)

you could save yourself a lot of time & energy, just writing "im a dumbass" rather than writing 10 paragraphs that convey the same exact message.

:1orglaugh

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 21205411)

you are really the most stupid person to ever hit this board - and that says a lot.

Originally Posted by NewNick (Post 21205132)

Nonsense.

A disruptive business model or technology provides solutions in existing markets or creates new markets which render existing products services and businesses obsolete.

Trump does none of that.

He sits on the side calling names and pandering to the insecurities and fears of your average Joe.

And thats the problem with the average Joe. He is fucking average. Life has not dropped Joe into a fabulous Job, with a beautiful wife, Joe's life story is not sung by David Byrne. Of course Joe wonders where it all went wrong and Trump gives him a focus for his dissatisfaction.

Trump is doing the easy but - pointing out that life for Mr average is not that fucking great. Well no shit.

Life is nasty brutish and short. Trump does not get any prizes for working that out. Unfortunately neither does he offer any solutions. Its easy enough to put the blame on minorities and foreigners. Easy enough to castigate the political elite for failing poor old Joe.

But what the fuck are you going to do about it Trump ?

And please please please dont give me that "bring the jobs back bullshit".

US consumers like their German and Japanese cars. They like their electronics built in Asia, and they certainly like it all at the right price.

US industrial output is 4 times the size it was in 1960, yet it employs 1 third of the people it did at that time. That is why Joe does not have any job security. The Jobs have not gone to Mexico or China, the jobs have been lost to technology - and is Trump going to squeeze the Genie back into the bottle ?

Originally Posted by TampaToker (Post 21202744)

So i should vote for a lying, pandering, flip flopping con artist that has has been in politics for 35 years. I have to vote for one of these two running cause if do't then i aint no better the 57.5% of eligible voter's that didn't vote in 2012 that constantly bitch about the other party and what they did bla bla

The message is to the establishment left and right fuck you we are not falling for your bullshit no more. These fuckers work for us not the other way around. Seriously its 2016 and these are the best 2 candidates we could come up with to run for president? I don't give a fuck who bill clinton fucked or who trump called a fat slob. I compared both of there policy's and i agree with Trumps over Clintons. Now will either of there policy's be put in place as history shows once they get in those policy's goes right out the window. But if you do not vote you do not have a right to bitch:2 cents:

Originally Posted by Seth Manson (Post 21202750)

Writer doesn't know the difference between affect and effect, so his opinion doesn't matter.

Originally Posted by Joshua G (Post 21202783)

more evidence that the OP only hears what he wants to hear.

Originally Posted by Joshua G (Post 21202783)

i think its safe to say the OPs source is severely biased,

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 21202786)

You really should quit portraying Hillary Goldwater Girl

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 21202786)

I didn't know what the C stands for Clinton in a negative way.

Originally Posted by nico-t (Post 21202951)

And here we go again with the racist remark. Do you have any facts to back up that statement? Aside from the many minorities he created jobs for? What a racist!

If you seriously believe Trump is a racist you're completely insane.

And please don't even mention 'liar'. His opponent is Hillary Clinton. Enough said.

Originally Posted by nico-t (Post 21202951)

And here we go again with the racist remark. Do you have any facts to back up that statement?

Originally Posted by nico-t (Post 21202951)

And please don't even mention 'liar'.

Originally Posted by ********** (Post 21205537)

I'm not bitching. But there is all kinds of evidence out there that Trump is unfit to be Potus. If you had trouble breathing one day, would you go to a plumber to fix your heart?

Originally Posted by Speigelau (Post 21203602)

I'm really glad the famous Mr Prince makes all these threads telling us what to think.

Originally Posted by Sly (Post 21203620)

LOL. The Atlantic, never in 1 million years, would have endorsed Trump. It's readers are not waving Trump signs either. This is not shocking, nor is it a blow.

Originally Posted by Joshua G (Post 21203752)

the libs understand he is a disrupter -

Originally Posted by Joshua G (Post 21203752)

& the liberal PC agent smith drones are on a crusade to destroy him. with mark prince/rochard crockett drones that blindly post their PC bullshit on GFY.
:1orglaugh

Originally Posted by poncabare (Post 21204589)

Baffling why you care about another country's politics.

Originally Posted by woj (Post 21205558)

if you wanted to fix the economy, who do you think would be better... businessman with a degree in economics or a lawyer? :winkwink:

Originally Posted by ********** (Post 21205582)

Trumps answer to this : he would "Print Money"

Donald Trump: U.S. will never default 'because you print the money' - CNNPolitics.com

there's also this:

Trump Clarifies His Debt Default Comments, Then Suggests Printing Money : NPR

A closer look at Donald Trump's comments about refinancing U.S. debt | PolitiFact

He also threatened to default on the national debt:

Great, Donald Trump Threatened To Default On The National Debt | Huffington Post



What an incredible fucking dangerous scary idiot Donald Trump is.

This is why the whole world is paying attention. And things like this make him incredibly unfit to be President.

Originally Posted by woj (Post 21205558)

if you wanted to fix the economy, who do you think would be better... businessman with a degree in economics or a lawyer? :winkwink:

Originally Posted by woj (Post 21205606)

it may all sound nuts, but that's the reality of the situation, one day something will have to be done... Obama increased the debt from $10T to $20T, there is zero reason to believe Hillary wouldn't continue that trend...

so while everyone else ignores the issue, he calls it like it is, if nothing gets done, we will eventually reach tipping point on the verge of default and something will have to be done, either print more $$, renegotiate the debt, etc...

it's not like your side has any decent solutions, your solution is basically: we'll spend like a drunk sailor, and we'll let the next guy worry about it... just like we've seen done by Obama... if he wouldn't have doubled the debt, this whole national debt debate wouldn't even be an issue at all now...

so Obama fucks things up, Trump proposes unpleasant solutions, he is labeled nuts or "scary idiot".. :error

Originally Posted by C H R I S (Post 21205717)

Trump is getting his ass handed to him ....

His current odds of winning election are 13.5%

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/...-forecast/#now

I guess when he loses he loses HUUUUGELY

Originally Posted by NewNick (Post 21205672)

Obama took office mid financial crisis.

All of the western economies saw their deficits double or treble in the period after 2008.

It really is quite ridiculous to say Obama fucked things up and caused the deficit.

Originally Posted by NewNick (Post 21205645)

50 orange faced twats "fixing" the economy ?

Well firstly Trumps credentials as a businessman are very suspect. There is plenty of evidence that suggests the Trump empire is a rather shaky house of cards built on not paying the little guy, plenty of bankruptcies to shed debt, and enough losses to ensure he never pays any tax.

Then you look at what he thinks is wrong. If he thinks that building walls and ceasing international trade is going to "fix" the economy then he is dreaming.

As I said before technology is destroying jobs for the middle and working classes. Tech might create a few highly paid jobs for the highly skilled and educated. But not for "Joe".

And now we have the tech giants in a race to develop driverless vehicles. Now Joe cannot even get a job driving a truck or a cab. Who is Trump going to blame for that ?

Originally Posted by woj (Post 21205765)

ok, I get it, Trump's solutions suck... so what is your side proposing that will make average Joe's financial situation go back to what it was 10 or 15 years ago?

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 21205783)

there is no going back for unskilled workers - you need qualification programs for young people and affordable higher education - just like almost any other industrial nation.

if anybody thinks Trump would make jobs come back to the US that Chinese do for 10 bucks a day, you need your head checked.

Originally Posted by woj (Post 21205804)

true, but that's not what "average Joe" wants to hear though... he wants to hear that jobs will come back, so he can go back to working as a welder for GM for $30+/hr... it's unlikely to happen, but there is at least a glimmer of hope that at the very least Trump could slow down the exodus of middle class unskilled jobs...

that's why Trump is appealing to him, while Hillary has nothing to offer...

Originally Posted by woj (Post 21205804)

true, but that's not what "average Joe" wants to hear though... he wants to hear that jobs will come back, so he can go back to working as a welder for GM for $30+/hr... it's unlikely to happen, but there is at least a glimmer of hope that at the very least Trump could slow down the exodus of middle class unskilled jobs...

that's why Trump is appealing to him, while Hillary has nothing to offer...

Originally Posted by woj (Post 21205606)

it may all sound nuts, but that's the reality of the situation, one day something will have to be done... Obama increased the debt from $10T to $20T, there is zero reason to believe Hillary wouldn't continue that trend...

Originally Posted by woj (Post 21205606)

so while everyone else ignores the issue, he calls it like it is,

Originally Posted by woj (Post 21205606)

if nothing gets done, we will eventually reach tipping point on the verge of default and something will have to be done, either print more $$, renegotiate the debt, etc...

Originally Posted by woj (Post 21205606)

it's not like your side has any decent solutions, your solution is basically: we'll spend like a drunk sailor, and we'll let the next guy worry about it...

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 21205831)

so you prefer when a politician is lying and giving false hope

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 21205855)

We've created fifteen million jobs since 2012. Unemployment is under 5%.

If you want things to continue to improve go with Hillary. If you don't like the improvements we've had in the past eight years, if you don't like having a 5% unemployment rate, roll the fucking dice, vote Trump, and pray that having someone in office who has zero experience in politics doesn't result in 10% unemployment like the last time we had a Republican in the White House, with people losing their jobs and houses.

We have this "thing" in the United States where we "want change" even when change is not needed. We do this every four years with the election cycle. We do this because the other side points out mistakes of the current administration in the past four years and says "they fucked up" and "we need change". But take a look at where we were eight years ago when Bush left office, and then compare that to where we are now - Which is better. (I'll give you a hint - eight years ago unemployment was 12% and now it's under 5% - which is better?) We can continue to have improvements or we can close our eyes and walk off a cliff and hope someone with no experience can do better.

The Republican party has completely fucked this up. They keep telling us how bad things are, when they are so obviously better. By doing this they are handing Obama a victory. Instead, the Republican party needs to say "Look how good our Republican Congress has done" and then say "If we had a Republican president, we could have done so much better".

Originally Posted by ********** (Post 21205888)

I'm not fan of Clinton really.

Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 21205732)

If huuuge loss was predicted his odds would be WAAAAY less than that.
Learn how statistics, probability theory works.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/...tion-forecast/ 20% is 1 red ball and 4 blue balls, get blinded and pick one. It would not be a huge surprise to pick red one, so yeah, his chances of winning are damn real.

Originally Posted by ********** (Post 21205888)

Don't say "my" side though.. I'm not fan of Clinton really. I just think Trump would be worse.

Originally Posted by woj (Post 21205900)

All those statistics only give illusion of things greatly improving, for example take a look at "labor participation rate" which shows percent of adults actually working:

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/w...te-425x255.png

so while the official statistics may show 5% unemployment, the reality is that they don't count the guys that used to make $30+/hr in manufacturing... and now said "fuck this, if I can't make the same $$, I certainly am not going to flip burgers for $8/hr, I'd rather collect unemployment benefits"... (he is not counted, cause he is not looking for work)

... and lets be real, Trump isn't gaining traction because of his offensive jokes, he is gaining traction because many people are frustrated with the status quo, which contradicts your theory of things being great...