I am a trump supporter and I wanted him to do well tonight, but he didn't. He had moments where he did well, but every time he had the chance to bury her he missed. The part he fucked up the most on was the concession. Why couldnt he say that he would support the fair decision of the American people and leave it at that. To me he sounded way out in left field and would not accept anything other than victory. It's not the way it works.

I would have like to have seen him tie together the emails/clinton foundation/quid pro quo so people could understand how clinton is a criminal. I think this is the strongest argument why she should not be president. Point out that while she was suppose to be SoS she let 4 people die so she could extort money from her position.

He could have plainly said "Clinton says I encourage violence at my rallies, but operatives from her campaign were sent to my rallies to instigate violence". He mentioned tapes, but it was not very clear to me what his point was, even though I knew about the footage already.

Lastly, I wish he would have looked into the camera at the end when he had the last say, and talked to the American people. He should have said "if you are happy with the path america is heading, vote for Hilary, she is offering more of the same. If you think our foreign policy is right, immigration policy, trade policy, government health care, attack on the constitution, appointing of radical judges, tax policy, economy, jobs, crime and race relations are where they need to be in 2016, vote for hilary. If you want real change from someone that does not owe his presidency to big cash donors and political favors, someone that owes his presidency to the people of the USA, please vote for donald trump. I will make you glad you did."

:(

and to add, I wish he would have tried to connect with the tv audience at the end. to me he seemed like a bitter old man



PS 50 fuckups

Pretty easy. Let me give you a personal example. I went to vote for Obama 8 years ago. A clean cut white guy in his 30's who lived in a gentrified liberal neighborhood. I got screened and turned away from voting because "they couldn't find my name on the list" and was told I needed to take it up with the commission even though I had my ID which showed my address was within that precinct and my voters registration card. Somehow I got purged. That began my dislike for Obama and full on hatred when he picked Hillary as Secretary. When they emailed me asking for more donations later I would always respond back with "I want my first donation money back" eventually I stopped receiving them :)

Another example: Dead people have been voting for years in many places that have been looked at. Also, illegal immigrants

Dead People And Illegal Immigrants Are Being Registered To Vote All Over America

There have been some very detailed articles about how Trump supporters are manipulating the online polls. You should check them out.

It doesn't really matter, though. The only people that matter right now are the few undecided voters that live in battleground states. Somehow I doubt an online poll saying Trump won will convince any of them to vote for him.

I agree too. He did a good job.

Hillary was... losing it. I kept yelling at the TV : "Don't engage, don't engage!" but she did anyway. Every time Hillary sinks to Trump's level and throws an insult or brings up some shit not related to policies, she loses a point to me. All she needed to do was answer questions about policy, then shut up. Leave all the mudslinging to Trump because that's all he knows and all he can do. Trump would have buried himself had she not kept taking the shovel for herself.

Then again, Trump was Trump. He did an ok job for the first 20 minutes or so, but then turned into.. himself.

My conclusion: Both lost. Trump was trumpy and offered no surprises to me at all. Hillary was good for the most part but she kept slipping in talking points, and did a really stupid pivot when asked a direct question. Goddammit.

I still think Hillary will win, but what sucks the most is that this presidential race shouldn't even be this close.

Trump had some great opportunities, but he got in the way of himself. It was almost like he was just telling people to go look stuff up online. He was mentioning it, but no explaining it and most people aren't going to bother looking things up.

The Clinton Foundation was a disaster for him. He could have really hit her, instead he mentioned money from various countries going to the foundation and then she started listing all the great things they do with that money and she finished by slamming him saying he used charity money to buy a big painting of himself. Not only did he fail to connect the dots he set her up for a great moment and ended up taking one on the chin.

So Obama stole the election because you weren't allowed to vote for him? What you're describing is tough voter ID laws put in place by republicans in red states which notoriously favor republicans. The fact that the majority of states have republicans as their election officials would make it impossible for a coordinating of states to steal an election away from Trump. Trump is being killed in the polls, no stealing is necessary.

You would have had to be there to understand. The only person period in line that got the "let's check our list" everyone else, maybe 15 others were either female or black in the line showed their ID and card and went to vote. Not kidding one bit. The exit pollsters even knew what had just happened. They just looked at me as if it had been going on all day. Didn't even bother to ask.

I agree, this was really bad for trump. I am still going vote for him, but I dont think he can win now without a miracle.

He did miss several opportunities. He has in all the debates. As far as him not conceeding. Honestly I would do the same. I believe Bush Jr stole Florida an Al Gore should have fought it. Instead he took his golden parachute and ran. If he had fought it things would be very different. We wouldn't have gotten into Iraq and now be on the verge of WWIII for example.

He lost the 1st , 2nd and tonights debate.

He will lose the election.

Maybe Melania will leave him.

He'll be back though trumpers, wait for the TNN ... Trump News Network.

She baited him, it was surgical and methodical. Started with your daddy gave you 14 million and it all went downhill for him from there.

My bad, stumbled into a Trump cock sucking thread. Carry on girls. Sig spot.

What more could Gore have done? He asked for recounts, but ultimately the Supreme Court ruled against him and he was done.

She doesn't have fun. She only fake laughs.

The only times she has fun is when she helps rapists or kills soldiers and civilians.

I thought he had the better answers.

I agree. It's sad that so many people can still be influenced so easily by the propaganda machine... It's amazing that people are so blind to ask themselves WHY the media is bashing Trump 24/7. They don't think about the link almost all these companies have with the Clintons, direct or indirectly.

It's like a rat poison factory saying how delicious their poison is to drink, and everyone believes them. Digging your own graves without knowing it.


In a perfect Utopian world where the media would be 100% objective, Trump would be ahead in the polls by about 90%. Because the media would only tell you facts about both candidates.

Hillary didn't lose it like Trump, especially when Putin was bought into it. They say you have to play the same way to get your points across sometimes, this is all Hillary is doing & Trump doesn't like it.

& if Chris Wallace was the host, or negotiator, yes, he did an amazing job :thumbsup

http://i.imgur.com/07Id5jXh.jpg

Looks like Trump was the winner with undecided and independent voters.

You sound like the average stupid fucking American that is brainwashed. I'm not trump supporter but you're saying "oh he did not go and shake hands with the audience!" So you want him to act fake? You want him to do that corny fucking point and waive thing that killary does to act like she's friends with the audience? Fuck out of here, you and every other average American cares about the wrong things. You're all stupid as fuck and we are doomed.

Pbbc is going to relocate to Europe.

Trump slams her about her physical health and lack of stamina. He himself lacks the mental stamina to be president. The first 30 minutes he's ok, after that he goes off the rails!!

I guess he could do so much better. She was spouting out stuff that goes directly against anything that she ever did in the government or stated as her "private position" behind the closed doors.

He should have been much better prepared and counter more effectively as it was pretty much predictable what will she come up with. That she will try to mask her track record and positions by claiming exactly the opposite.

The good part is that she, with her Russian claims confirmed the actual authenticity of all the leaks. Not sure how many will actually realize that though.

The end message was strong - a polished fake political talk vs. "It can't go on like this anymore, you're either voting for someone who'll continue this or you'll vote for someone who's just as fed up with this as you are".

All and all, I am afraid the only thing that could save him now is the good old "voting the lesser evil". Since there's one that's heavily "promoted as evil" in MSM because he said something, and the other one that is proven to be evil because of what she actually did throughout her well documented life long career in politics aka. corruption, war mongering and double talk.

Not sure if that's going to happen though, the mass media power is very strong and the emotional response will likely again prevail over actual judgment.

Serious question for you:

When you say "the media", who are you referring to? Television news? Comics? Both?

Let's leave comics out of it for now. Of course they bash trump, its what they do. So instead, lets just talk about TV news for a minute.

Can you send me a link to a youtube video (or embed one here), of any TV news anchor, bashing Donald Trump, for something he did not say?

I want him to hammer her with the truth, not get defensive and go on incoherent rants. Anyone with a brain and a mouth could have had this lying crooked bitch on her knees and her smug wrinkled old face smirkless. The plain fact that he is so egotistical he handed the presidency to satan's grandmother. I dont want him to act fake, I want him to be fucking smart.

You ever stop and think that he's not acting fake, that this is the real Donald? Before running all you saw was controlled, polished, what he wanted you to see. Something that can't be done with this big of a spotlight shining on him now!

That's the problem, he is not acting. He has been told a thousand times by his handlers to make the debates about her and her thousands of flaws, not about his ego. She winds him up and then smirks and shimmies while he explains how tremendous he is. I dont want to hear that shit, and I am going to vote for him! I can imagine what an undecided voter is thinking as he rambles on about the same things. He is full of shit. Pisses me off that this old puss bag is going to continue to flush the country into the gutter because the idiot running against her cant handle an ounce of criticism or know when to keep his fucking mouth shut. This should have been a cakewalk against probably the most corrupt person to ever run for president, EVER! But no, this guy snatches defeat from the jaws of victory.

Came across this today. A 15 state survey/poll showing Trump ahead in all battleground states. It doesn't give actual method demographics though. SurveyMonkey 15-State poll - The Washington Post


Also 2 weeks out from 1980 election Gallup had Carter winning 47 to Reagan's 39 and Reagan won in a landslide. In '88 Dukakis was up 17 points over Bush in July

With the traditional poll sampling being heavily swayed towards democrats coupled with the fact Republicans record turnout in the primaries hopefully things will go the way they should.

Date of poll: October 8 - 16 :1orglaugh

relocation to Spain sounds good to me :thumbsup

well said. :2 cents::2 cents:

yes to me too, pbbc is officially relocating to natalie k's vagina.

Yes ended 4 days ago. I'm sure it takes a day or so to tabulate.. What so funny? Don't know what month you're in? Or did you think I meant it to be a post debate? No, I pointed out Reagan and Carter being way behind in the polls. Regan is actually the best example considering he was an actor and not a politician. Goes to show how the polls have been manipulated for a long time.

Faltering Nolts,

Trump Nailed it!
People are Wise to Her Jig ...He Let Her Talk Herself Right out of the Job

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It means approximately 50% of those were polled BEFORE 9 women came out and said they were assaulted by Trump. Also, 538 gives Surveymonkey a C- rating. But hey, if taking one outdated poll from an unreliable pollster and hanging onto it like its gospel makes you feel better so be it.

I thought he came off as personable, knowledgeable, straight shooting. She came off as... eh... a lying bitch.

Let's not forget that the first time ever trump put those rally sabotage videos into the spotlight and guess what... mainstream news still is not covering it. Headlines are... donald trump will rip America apart by the pussy if he loses...

Sad day for mankind.

... oh, anyone notice hillary didn't address bills rapes and accusations and her cover up even though it was directly asked of her?

Unreliable pollster? And you quote 538? lmao.. Sorry but your women vote isn't going to turnout. They hate Hillary too. They will stay home. Besides the claims are unsubstantiated. At least one can't even prove she ever met Trump. Another had an obvious resentment for him blowing off her invite just months ago. She didn't seem to have a problem with him before...

You don't understand, it's not black & white like that. Let me explain:

The media I mean are the ones with big corporations behind them who support Clinton, Like CNN, MSNBC, even shows like the Daily Show, which has such an obvious agenda, packaged as 'comedy'.

Here's an example: I, as an outsider, wanted to check if there was any big news in the world a few weeks ago. I thought, let's check CNN.com... The front page was literally 90% Trump topics, and they ALL head a negative headline.
1 topic about Clinton... and that one had a neutral headline.

Let me explain how propaganda works, in this case about Trump:
Yes, lots of times they pick things he did say.
Because propaganda isn't spouting blatant lies about someone, that's of course very inefficient. If a channel was purely making 100% up, nobody would watch it.

The way propaganda works is simply blowing up anything stupid, dirty or negative about Trump (how irrelevant or small it is doesn't matter) and repeat it constantly. Keep Reminding people 24/7 about it (indoctrination). And in many cases it's getting spun completely out of context as well, like the preposterous claim that Trump is racist, because he said something about ILLEGALS, NOT Mexicans in general. The 'machine' latches on to this, spins it, and breeds a fabricated idea with a juicy 'racist' triggerword loosely based on something that wasn't racist at all.

Now look at Clinton. Her sins are much, much bigger than Trump on the scope of human rights, wars, and having a government job but cashing in and doing things big corps pay her to do. Trump said 'grab em by the pussy'. Clinton orchestrated wars to replace dictators who didn't wanna work for the US anymore, so they get replaced by a US puppet. Death, destruction, refugees. Clinton Cash. Benghazi. Emails. Wikeleaks reveal how she hates 'everyday people' etc.

These extreme things, 100 times worse than anything Trump has done, gets mentioned 1 time with a neutral headline. Nothing more.

That's the difference, and that's how propaganda works.

I think it should be pointed out that Hillary made herself look like a monster to a huge portion of Americans when she jumped to the defense of late-term abortions.

I'm kind of relieved to read a response from this side that isn't just pure lunacy, thank you for that. I think most of us here would welcome a candidate that challenged the old garb that keeps getting elected from both sides and pushed around and manipulated by their corporate backers. This would have been the perfect time to take them down, as hillary, essentially, is a weak candidate overall. But the failures to produce a republican candidate lies with the fault of the party more than just trump here. Trump played the hand he was dealt perfectly to get the nomination, but if they put up some REAL candidates in the first place he wouldn't have had a chance and the republicans would walk away with this election. So now, win or lose, someone is going to get elected that is not what the american people want or need and they will be elected by 'team sport' loving fanatics instead of people who want legitimate changes moving forward.

Also, it didn't help that trump has lunatics championing his name so loudly the way they do--it's kind of political suicide. If anything, he should have had his people quiet them down, distance himself from them and just push specific IMPORTANT issues instead. A perfect example is this board. The local insane asylum opened up wide here, so guys like you get over shadowed by people talking about election rigging, conspiracy nonsense and racial rants instead of actual issues.

Honestly, I'm going to agree that he did not handle every opportunity with perfection. I'm also going to point out that every single debate I've seen him in, I would not say he won by knock out blows and talking points. Here's the thing though...

It's what made him the republican nominee. It's what is going to make him potus. All he has to do now is his rallies and buy commercial slots which include, and not limited to

Open borders statement
Video footage of dnc trump violence
Her screaming in benghazi hearing
Her screaming about 50 points ahead.
Each video follow with past trump statements that just make fucking sense to most people

That is enough.

Actually the MAJORITY of the population is pro-choice

Trump knows he is gonna lose, that is why he doesn't campaign anymore he just makes excuses for losing. If you think that debate shifted the electoral vote you are in for a rude awakening.

This isn't even remotely true. There is a very sharp divide currently on the pro-life/pro-choice argument.

http://i.imgur.com/Px7izAm.png

Abortion | Gallup Historical Trends

Factor in that if you describe the procedures that are done to actually perform a late-term abortion you will be pretty hard pressed to find people that would support the practice.

https://lozierinstitute.org/the-real...on-procedures/

Hillary looked like shit in the debate and was in tinfoil hat mode spouting about Russia, completely ignoring her own actions. She never answered for taking money from countries like Saudia Arabia and Qatar when she pretends to be a supporter of women and gays and she never answered for her campaign being caught inciting violence at Trump rallies.


Nice concern trolling.

Are you trying to say you are not pro choice as well? It is ONLY the extreme religious faction behind this, and nobody here is going to believe you are that in any form. I would hope politics can't corrupt THAT far..

Disgusting establishment puppet.

Must be funny explaining to the puppets how exactly are they being manipulated :)

I wonder if they will go after Hillary for stating the response time of our nuclear capabilities. I know that this information has been out there, but it was speculation, coming from a ex secretary of state is different!

I'm not what some would describe as "pro-life" and I don't believe that to be entirely true. Pretty much everyone I personally know and have met are either pro-life or take issue with it. I don't hang out with bible-thumping religious extremists. Most of these people haven't stepped foot in a church in years.

The whole argument about "majority of america" being pro-choice is a fantasy. What is true is that either people want it outright banned or used only in limited circumstances. (rape, incest, protect life of mother for example) This is what available evidence shows.

http://i.imgur.com/cb0DzP7.png

Abortion | Gallup Historical Trends

Did you ever stop and think that she is acting fake, that this is not the real Hillary?

All you see is controlled, polished, what she wanted you to see.