Originally Posted by Coup (Post 21261946)

No. Not really. My only point is that people a fucking completely fed up with experienced politician bullshit. That is why half of this country has flocked to him. That was my point.

Originally Posted by Coup (Post 21261946)

Personally I think Trump won't make for a very good president either. But I, like most Americans, am sick of the lies and bullshit. If that means electing Trump will be a step away from that shit, it's a step in the right direction.

Originally Posted by flashfire (Post 21263404)

These candidates are both historically terrible...he has run a terrible campaign. With everything that has happened he is still not winning lol

ANYONE else from the primary would have this in the bag

Originally Posted by CourtneyR_FFN (Post 21264037)

Not voting for Hillary over here. My views fall more in line with the Green party.This will be the second time in a row Jill Stein gets my vote.

Originally Posted by JesseQuinn (Post 21263701)

I get where you're coming from, and agree that Trump is a result (or less neutrally, a symptom) of larger legitimate issues, one of which is disdain and revulsion for the status quo where the same uber-privileged benefit regardless of whether the whitehouse goes blue or red.



I kinda agree with you. If so much wasn't at stake it would be kinda fun to see Washington in a panic if Trump was elected. All of their precious little power networks messed with? would be hella fucking entertaining.

Thing is though, Trump doesn't offer anything to remedy the issues that cause people to flock to him; he's the demolition candidate. Destruction can be necessary evil in furtherance of better, more constructive aims to follow, or it can be nihilism.

With Trump it is the latter. A Trump win won't resolve gerrymandering, it won't change the electoral college system. It won't bring back the middle class or decent-income working class jobs (another central foci amongst his base). He has no viable plan for any of this and his off the cuff opining in place of concrete, well-thought out plans would serve only to further stratify and fracture american society along class, citizenship and social race lines.

It also won't take the insanely high volumes of cash out of the nomination process, arguably one of the fundamental causes of all this.

For those who see appeal, not knocking you. I do see where you're coming from. To a point. either way I get an easy out as I don't have to vote.

I just honestly don't see the logic in electing a belligerent buffoon who, if he wins, will do so because of the money/media hype in the form of advertising dollaz for 24 hour news channels he brought to the table. aka the shit that helped get y'all here in the first place

Originally Posted by CourtneyR_FFN (Post 21264037)

Not voting for Hillary over here. My views fall more in line with the Green party.This will be the second time in a row Jill Stein gets my vote.

Originally Posted by GspotProductions (Post 21264319)

the problem is, the green party aren't going to win. So your vote will be wasted.

Originally Posted by GspotProductions (Post 21264319)

the problem is, the green party aren't going to win. So your vote will be wasted.

If you want Trump as a role model for your country, continue to vote for who you decide. If not, realize Hillary does care for the people, elderly & youth. Paying her contributions & not demeaning women or people :2 cents:

Originally Posted by Coup (Post 21264325)

A vote that was cast is never one that was wasted. IMO. I admire people that stick by their convictions... even in the face of hysteria.

Originally Posted by GspotProductions (Post 21264319)

the problem is, the green party aren't going to win. So your vote will be wasted.

Originally Posted by GspotProductions (Post 21264319)

Hillary does care for the people, elderly & youth. Paying her contributions & not demeaning women or people :2 cents:

Originally Posted by Coup (Post 21264325)

A vote that was cast is never one that was wasted. IMO. I admire people that stick by their convictions... even in the face of hysteria.

Originally Posted by CourtneyR_FFN (Post 21264481)

I know she will not win, but it is my vote. I am choosing to vote for who my views align with. This is the first year where the green party will be on enough ballots to mathematically win, that is a big step in the right direction.

Originally Posted by Coup (Post 21264184)

Ultimately, it is my hope to see the Democrat party unfuck itself within my lifetime. I'd like to see it be cleansed of the donna brazile's, the huma abedin's, tim kaines and hillary clintons along with all of their tired old sold out and corrupt ways. The only way I see that happening is if they suffer a devastating loss to someone as shitty as Trump. Allowing Hillary to take the win guarantees they won't even do at least a little bit of soul-searching.
I'd like to see it move in more of a Bernie Sanders, jill stein sort of direction... not just pay lip service to it.

If Trump wins I don't think he will fix much, But the Democrats may fix themselves.

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21264517)

Sanders is way to far left though don't you think?

Originally Posted by Coup (Post 21264325)

A vote that was cast is never one that was wasted. IMO. I admire people that stick by their convictions... even in the face of hysteria.

Originally Posted by CourtneyR_FFN (Post 21264481)

I know she will not win, but it is my vote. I am choosing to vote for who my views align with. This is the first year where the green party will be on enough ballots to mathematically win, that is a big step in the right direction.

Originally Posted by JesseQuinn (Post 21264514)

in the current state of affairs, agreed. see equal merit in Courtney's strategy as well though.

Originally Posted by ianmoone332000 (Post 21264547)

You guys have got 2 bad candidates this time though i would vote for Trump. Rather have a clown than the devil

Originally Posted by altmman (Post 21263311)

Or we'd rather give the keys to someone who knows what she's doing vs a guy who has no idea what he's doing and doesnt know how to drive this thing.

Originally Posted by JesseQuinn (Post 21263701)

I get where you're coming from, and agree that Trump is a result (or less neutrally, a symptom) of larger legitimate issues, one of which is disdain and revulsion for the status quo where the same uber-privileged benefit regardless of whether the whitehouse goes blue or red.



I kinda agree with you. If so much wasn't at stake it would be kinda fun to see Washington in a panic if Trump was elected. All of their precious little power networks messed with? would be hella fucking entertaining.

Thing is though, Trump doesn't offer anything to remedy the issues that cause people to flock to him; he's the demolition candidate. Destruction can be necessary evil in furtherance of better, more constructive aims to follow, or it can be nihilism.

With Trump it is the latter. A Trump win won't resolve gerrymandering, it won't change the electoral college system. It won't bring back the middle class or decent-income working class jobs (another central foci amongst his base). He has no viable plan for any of this and his off the cuff opining in place of concrete, well-thought out plans would serve only to further stratify and fracture american society along class, citizenship and social race lines.

It also won't take the insanely high volumes of cash out of the nomination process, arguably one of the fundamental causes of all this.

For those who see appeal, not knocking you. I do see where you're coming from. To a point. either way I get an easy out as I don't have to vote.

I just honestly don't see the logic in electing a belligerent buffoon who, if he wins, will do so because of the money/media hype in the form of advertising dollaz for 24 hour news channels he brought to the table. aka the shit that helped get y'all here in the first place

Originally Posted by Coup (Post 21264325)

A vote that was cast is never one that was wasted. IMO. I admire people that stick by their convictions... even in the face of hysteria.

Originally Posted by C H R I S (Post 21263491)

Women's Right To choose
Marriage Equality
Supreme Court
Experience
Temperment
etc
etc
etc

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21263425)

You haven't voted yet? Why wait?