Apparently not. If so why would you say this?
"More than half voted for Hillary"

I was referring to the overall public vote - I thought that was obvious...

You don't seem to get that I was refering the the opening post - Trump is president elect, I am over that and accept it.....

Look I'm not trying to beat a dead horse here but there are around 200M registered voters of which only 63M voted for hillary. That's not half.

But I am glad to see that you do except the result.

You understand that Trump is a businessman, and buys ALL of his products from China, RIGHT?

As a businessman he knows damn well Apple cannot make it's iPhones in the US. If they did the prices would double. If Trump slaps a tariff on the same iPhones, the only change is the products become more expensive for the general population, resulting in less sales.

Nwe can do simple math. The amount of welfare recipients in the USA has been pretty consistent for the last 40 years. Crime is down for the last 20 years. Growth may never come back due to demographics. The stuff that you whine about is not real or is caused by some really huge changes that are not politically controlled. I think that is the divide. You guys are super uninformed as a group so it makes it hard to discuss things.

Loud mouths demanding free shit is your big beef? Employment figures have never been this good. Initial Jobless claims. Unemployment. So you are mad at welfare? Food stamps? Social Security? Not sure what the real thing is.

the inner city slums voted for Hillary and her 'poor baby, have some money' policies. and yes the rest of the country is sick to death of loud mouth obnoxious assholes demanding respect... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

interesting stuff, I'm not whining about anything, tell telling you my opinion, this year that is legal. won't be much longer though..

Why do you lie? That's how people like you lose resoect, and your racism. It takes a special kind of ignorance to think you're superior due to a lack of melanin in your skin. So many blacks have a degree & own a home why don't you?

Eddie do you actually think it will take over an month to count the electrical vote!!! dude you are higher than a cows ass lol!! that count was in 30 seconds after the elections was called... wtf!!! you thinking it is some tard on a fucking horse riding around spreading the news lol!!!

More than a half don't work and/or are on the government tit. You guess which half voted for whom.

51 folks not getting it !

Funny ... because his votes comes from country sides and farm land, which is heavily subsidized by ... the government .... :1orglaugh

Weird how you leave out his fear and hate mongering as part of his platform. There should be zero tolerence or understanding of that shit

There you have it
Praise KEK

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"The Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) calculates the number of citizens in the Civilian Labor Force (persons classified as Employed or Unemployed) at 157,833,000 (49% of the U.S. population) and in the Not-in-Labor-Force citizens at 94,610,000 (29% of the population)."

The "Not-in-Labor-Force" is the highest it's been in nearly 40 years. As usual they just moved figures around to make the unemployment figures look good
http://cdn.cnsnews.com/styles/conten...te-chart-1.jpg

Notice that figures takes a huge dive during Obama's Presidency.

You and I know a lot if country folk out of work fake disability and stay on it for life working under the table to scam the system. Let's not pretend it's blacks & illegals cheating the system, or that they are the majority, they aren't ;)

Did I say black or illegals? I know a bunch of out of work college debt ridden white liberals. In fact I know A LOT more of them than I do government leeches.

I thought it was the fear and hate mongering... But this Country Folk under the table thing seems Much More Efficient..!

0 taxes under 40k income will really add to the cheating
That bad, Bad Trump

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You forget that those are good white, straight , christians who like to blame others for their problems

Student loans are evil and should all be erased and forgiven. Banks enslaving the youth, Anti American

Obama changed that so now it's government enslavement. And while many think it's a good thing but have a look here and see what happens when government gets involved http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/i...0508083923.jpg

why do you think loans should be forgiven? you don't see anything wrong with borrowing $$$ and then not paying it back? ...speaking of loans... can I borrow a $1000? :winkwink:

Dewd, seriously, if you got a penny for every time you posted on this crazy forum you'd be at $475.49, almost halfway to thousand.

http://i.imgur.com/KQuKYiS.png

A lot of those people will never get credentials that are worth a damn. I've got a hot liberal friend who is in her senior year that has over $70k in loans. Yuck!

a lot easier to just borrow a $1000 from some sucker, then get that loan "forgiven"... perhaps you are up for some short term $1000 loan yourself?

I didn't say loans, I said student loans, and you know exactly why, they're a bank scam. Unlike the Trump fanboys here (with multiple fake nicks) you're a Trump supporter that's smart and posts from your own knowledge and with thought. You're also a fiscal conservative like me, which I like :thumbsup

The privatized student loan problem started long before Obama and it's not a partisan issue.

It is a fact the reason college is so expensive is because of government grants. To receive the grants the colleges have to set the price of tuition higher and higher. Now government has taken over student loans and made the price even higher. The colleges themselves aren't hurting for cash and that's why tuition increases. Most of them are sitting on mountains of cash because of this. 10 Universities With the Biggest Endowments

why are they a scam? it's a loan like any other, only differences are that:

1. often interest rates are subsidized by the government
2. can't be discharged in bankruptcy (for obvious reasons)

and to put things in perspective, according to that chart someone posted earlier, average person graduates with $35k debt... which seems like a significant amount, but if you spread it out over your entire career, it works out to <$1000/year, which works out to <2% of one's income...

Do you have student loans? I'm thinking you're not talking from experience. There's a whole black market of "loan servicing" where loans are repacked & resold and you start paying a new company, sometimes at a new rate. When you ask to see the documents of your loan transfer it's near impossible. No authorization, No documentation from loan inception, old servicer to new servicer but the loan amount increases with no itemization. I've personally gone through this and I'm too chill right now to go into more detail and get stressed lol

It's a racket that benefits the banks & loan servicers. The only loan that can't be forgiven, give me win for the banks & interest builds on interest year after year so $40k turns to $60k Real quick :thumbsup

Why is it right for Trump, (all businesses actually,) to discharge his debts from his businesses and rip off lenders, creditors and shareholders but government debt obligations are forever?

Why is it right for an individual to discharge his private debts only?

Why is it right to rip off the public but not the government?

There should be something like a Chapter 16 bankruptcy for a citizen to have the courts reorganize his debt to the government. Not totally discharge his debt to the government but that his debt be made payable to some set percentage of his spendable income. Say this is reviewed annually ...

If equity in debt is negotiable-- then it is negotiable for all debts -- public and private -- debt equality.

Silly idea ... :1orglaugh

Of course, the taxpayer could fund higher education, his children (or the children of the society,) to benefit and not start out a career in debt.


But no! I want my leased Cadillac and complain while I make the payments ... the end

Most of them don't go that deep. For most Trump fanboys it's read talking point (usually by tweet) disperse amongst the masses, and repeat.

No thought or logic, just zombie regurgitation.

Yep ...

"...the rank and file are usually much more primitive than we imagine. Propaganda must therefore always be essentially simple and repetitious."
Joseph Goebbels

And why do you think that is?

The labor participation isn't based only on the economy. If it was, why did the labor participation rate peak in 2000 and has been in steady decline since then?

The large demographic of baby boomers are getting older and moving out of the labor pool. People are getting older, retiring, and moving out of the work force.

But it sounds so much better when you try to blame it Obama.

Nobody gets it but me

You are missing something.

We used to have an age pyramid like India - http://www.indexmundi.com/graphs/pop...ramid-2014.gif

Then we had 7 workers for every retire. The baby boomers aged and we are heading for 2 workers per retire.
https://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/char...14/chart36.gif

We are never going to have the participation rate we had. it is not possible. It is going to get worse.
Obama made it worse due to the recession and early retirement or people pushed out who could not get back in etc. But this is a huge trend that is not really fixable by the President. Some countries are asking people to make more kids. Japan, South Korea and China have done this. Not working so well but it is doable.

Here is our current age pyramid. - http://www.indexmundi.com/graphs/pop...ramid-2016.gif

We can argue short term flucuations but long term this is a mess.

And that's why we're not tough on illegal immigration :thumbsup

No, no, no.

Those figures for the Labor participation rate are based on ELIGIBLE people. NOT people of retirement age.

So 2008-16 everyone retired? There must have been a lot of fucking going on after the war. While I somewhat agree with baby boomers you honestly can't say that was the cause for that decline or increase depending on how you look at it.

" In addition, students, retirees, the disabled, homemakers, and the voluntarily idle are not counted in the labor force."

http://www.econport.org/content/hand...nt/Define.html

Retirees wouldn't be counted. I would imagine the same for Social Security. Basically anyone of retirement age most likely.

The figure is for people 16 plus in age. No upper limit is mentioned.

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

I copied the site in my other post. They share the criteria for their stats.
16 milion soldiers from the US. Rosy the riveter ring a bell? Men of a certain age were rare. The baby boom is a real thing and yeah it was a lot of fucking.