Originally Posted by RFremont (Post 21344455)

But if black people, such as black lives matters, are going to shriek and scream and riot because of some injustices, they cannot discriminate against only white vs black. They should look at the black on black crime/murder rate in cities like Chicago, and should be more appalled.... but no, that doesn't fit their professional victim agenda as a means to get more freebies, more passes, more benefits.

Originally Posted by Joshua G (Post 21344539)

some people? try an entire political party, the mainstream media, & college campuses across america, where you have a better chance being educated by a communist than by a republican.

how is it healthy to have our education system SYSTEMICALLY teach children that the country is MORE racist in 2016 than 1962...how is that happening? How are people with college degrees voting for gender politics during a great recession? bubble thinking?

Trump needs to flush the public education of this this lying cabal.

:2 cents:

Originally Posted by Joshua G (Post 21342385)

liberals

Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 21344554)

When someone perceives Obama as a Nazi, you can just assume they don't even understand what a Nazi is, and that they're most likely misinformed.

When a room full of people at an alt-right meeting are yelling "heil" and using the Nazi hand salute...well there's no mistaking that for what it really is. What hairs are there to split over that scene? It's a bunch of fucking Nazis unabashedly acting like Nazis.

The waters are not muddy here. Alt-right should be called what it is...white supremacy. Normalizing their speech is not the direction civilization is supposed to be heading, and Trump's election has seemed to embolden these ugly people. Every news outlet should stop calling them the "alt-right" and call them what they are --- white supremacists, or Nazis. Letting them have this new branding with a harmless sounding moniker is doing exactly what they need to be de-marginalized.

Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 21344554)

When someone perceives Obama as a Nazi, you can just assume they don't even understand what a Nazi is, and that they're most likely misinformed.

When a room full of people at an alt-right meeting are yelling "heil" and using the Nazi hand salute...well there's no mistaking that for what it really is. What hairs are there to split over that scene? It's a bunch of fucking Nazis unabashedly acting like Nazis.

The waters are not muddy here. Alt-right should be called what it is...white supremacy. Normalizing their speech is not the direction civilization is supposed to be heading, and Trump's election has seemed to embolden these ugly people. Every news outlet should stop calling them the "alt-right" and call them what they are --- white supremacists, or Nazis. Letting them have this new branding with a harmless sounding moniker is doing exactly what they need to be de-marginalized.

Originally Posted by kane (Post 21344545)

My position is that the country is pretty racist, but most of that racism is kept under wraps or is subtle. If I had to put it on a scale of 1 to 100 where 1 is not racist and 100 is terrible racism, I would say the US is somewhere in the 60's. I think we have come a long way, but I think there is still a good, pretty strong, undercurrent of racism in this country.

To me, the majority of this racism isn't someone screaming about it in public or a white person attacking a black person (or vice versa) it is small, often subtle things. It is seeing a couple of black guys walking down the street and waiting for them to move on before you cross the street. It is that guy at work who gets along with everyone, but secretly thinks interracial relationships are wrong. It is the cops in a white suburb who pulled my black friend over 6 times within the first 4 weeks of her living there. She was never ticketed, but she lives in a nice, upscale neighborhood and drives a pretty nice car and that made some cops want to check her out. It is a black person (or person of any race) going in for a job interview and not getting it because someone in charge of hiring feels a little "uneasy" about black people. And so on.

One recent thing that has started happening that has done a serious disservice to race relations is how if a person disagrees with someone on some issue, that must mean they are a racist. For example, if you don't support Black Lives Matter, you must be a racist. If you support Trump solely because you thought Hillary was corrupt or because you think he will improve the economy, you must be a racist. If a black person (or someone of any non-white ethnicity) says something and you don't agree with it, you must be a racist. Using a big brush to paint broad racial strokes does nothing to help race relations.

To sum it up, I think there is a lot more racism than some people would like to admit and there is less racism than some people portray or realize.

Originally Posted by kane (Post 21344563)

You act as if Republicans don't brand people as Nazis. I know a ton of conservatives who hate Obama and think he is a Nazi. They brand every democrat a socialist pig.

Also, there are plenty of campuses out there that offer students a good, well-rounded education. The country as a whole is taking a turn to the left so we can expect some of that, but we mostly hear about the extreme cases in places like Berkley which has been the epicenter of liberal thinking for decades.

To me the issue isn't that one party is doing something worse than the other, it is that there is no middle ground anymore. If you disagree with one thing the Republicans say than you are a liberal cuck. If you disagree with one thing the Democrats say then you are are a Trumpette. And if you are an independent or a centrist, both parties see you as part of the problem.

Originally Posted by MK Ultra (Post 21344596)

Racism in America isn't subtle at all, in fact it's the government that's promoting and perpetuating it.

When was the last time that you filled out any one of the tens of thousands of government forms that required personal information?

Was there a single one of those forms that didn't ask you to specify your race?

Why is that information even necessary unless different races get different treatment by the government?

hmmm?

Yet everybody is busy pointing fingers at each other and screaming "RACIST!" while our very own government is separating and cataloging us based on... race.


:2 cents:

Originally Posted by Joshua G (Post 21344602)

extreme cases? like the college in massachussetts taking down the american flag? like students destroying flags at brown university, put up to commemorate veterans? they destroyed the flag because it is a symbol of oppession to them. colin kaepernick speaks the same shit, that our country is racist & oppressive. i think what your describing as extreme cases, is turning into mainstream bullshit.

hence the point of my thread, that this perception of a racist country is getting to be believed by too many people.

is this country racist, or not kane? yes or no?

Originally Posted by kane (Post 21344545)

My position is that the country is pretty racist, but most of that racism is kept under wraps or is subtle. If I had to put it on a scale of 1 to 100 where 1 is not racist and 100 is terrible racism, I would say the US is somewhere in the 60's. I think we have come a long way, but I think there is still a good, pretty strong, undercurrent of racism in this country.

To me, the majority of this racism isn't someone screaming about it in public or a white person attacking a black person (or vice versa) it is small, often subtle things. It is seeing a couple of black guys walking down the street and waiting for them to move on before you cross the street. It is that guy at work who gets along with everyone, but secretly thinks interracial relationships are wrong. It is the cops in a white suburb who pulled my black friend over 6 times within the first 4 weeks of her living there. She was never ticketed, but she lives in a nice, upscale neighborhood and drives a pretty nice car and that made some cops want to check her out. It is a black person (or person of any race) going in for a job interview and not getting it because someone in charge of hiring feels a little "uneasy" about black people. And so on.

One recent thing that has started happening that has done a serious disservice to race relations is how if a person disagrees with someone on some issue, that must mean they are a racist. For example, if you don't support Black Lives Matter, you must be a racist. If you support Trump solely because you thought Hillary was corrupt or because you think he will improve the economy, you must be a racist. If a black person (or someone of any non-white ethnicity) says something and you don't agree with it, you must be a racist. Using a big brush to paint broad racial strokes does nothing to help race relations.

To sum it up, I think there is a lot more racism than some people would like to admit and there is less racism than some people portray or realize.

Originally Posted by RFremont (Post 21344455)

This is my take on this; truth be said I can't say I'm a liberal or conservative as I think both sides have their merits and both have their completely fucked up rationale as well.

The problem that normal, working class , tax paying people have is not that they are racist; it's that they know when black people and minorites scream for equality, what they really are screaming for is special treatment.

A guy wakes up and goes to work in the steel mine, or factory or wherever and each day in the news hears and reads about black athletes making multi-millions of dollars, rappers/artists pulling in big money for putting out shit music, and black celebrity artists which huge revenues. For the sake of making my point, we all know that lebron james and floyd mayweather other top NBA and NFL players make upwards of 50mn a year... how about we look at a Steve Harvey (entertainer) or a Tyra Banks, two people with a reported combined net worth of 100 mn USD. And that's just 2 less than A actor/entertainers that I just thought of.

Then this average, normal working guy has to hear about black people whining about whatever they whine about. What other country in the world would Steve Harvey make 30mn a year. Where else (maybe the UK but not at that level) would rappers make millions. If this average working guy speaks out about this, well then he's a racist. If he speaks to the truth, he's a racist. He just has to sit there quietly and clap when untrue statements are made because the PC police will call him racist.

Now you add that hypocrisy, you have the stereotype that a large portion of black people - now I don't say all so don't you libs all get your panties in your twats - have a propensity for violence, don't want to take manual labor jobs, prefer criminal/gang life, worship rap/hip hop culture, have criminal records, have a disproportionate number of single mother homes and so on... and you can understand why Trump got to where he did.
Some of you turds pull out skewed stats that show otherwise but everyone knows the real truth.

Now do I think 5 white cops jumping on top of one fat black dude and choking him to death is right? No. Do I think cops shooting an unarmed man in the back while running away is ok? No. Do I think real hardcore racists exist? yes. Do I think there are some wonderful, honest and hard working people? Sure. But if black people, such as black lives matters, are going to shriek and scream and riot because of some injustices, they cannot discriminate against only white vs black. They should look at the black on black crime/murder rate in cities like Chicago, and should be more appalled.... but no, that doesn't fit their professional victim agenda as a means to get more freebies, more passes, more benefits.

All in all, I can completely see and agree that people have had enough.

Originally Posted by kane (Post 21344605)

While I agree that the government plays a big role in it, I think most of those race questions on forms are so the government can get a good idea who is using these programs and how they are affecting those people. A lot of those forms offer you the option to opt not to say.

Of course, once they have that information they seem to do very little of value with it.

Originally Posted by Joshua G (Post 21344650)

you do a fantastic job of portraying moderation, & independent thinking. so i do try to minimize my calling you names.

what your describing as peoples subconsious uneasiness about other races? i call that the stigma of criminality. i know what your saying cause 1 day in the city, 3 black young guys were walking behind me. looked like hoodrats. & i shifted my bag to the opposite side. Then they walked past me & got into their mercedes. I was afraid of rich kids LOL.

its a problem for innocent minorities that other people fear them due to perceptions about crime. It sucks, but targeting the actual problem, black people that commit crimes triple the rest of the public, might work to heal that problem. Not fake social justice thats covering for thug life.

as far as im concerned, its 100% on the left that race relations are beying hyped into going sour, while on the street, race relations are fine. all this race & women hating bullshit is politics, fear of trump, ginned up by a civil rights "industrial complex"

this left wing racism industrial complex is getting cops murdered, trump supporters beaten & flags burned. where are the victims of the so called alt-right?

:helpme

Originally Posted by slapass (Post 21342739)

It is a statistical thing. I don't want to call the kettle black but calling half the US libbies all the time does not make you, the banner carrier of peace and harmony.

Originally Posted by Joshua G (Post 21344662)

not when its a college application...& a person with C grades can get into a school that whites & asians need A grades.

not when its an application to obtain a government contract...when being minority/women owned gets government sanctioned preference.

60 bro? i think its more like 10 out of 100. U walking around town seeing race crimes everyday on your block or something?

60?

:helpme

Originally Posted by kane (Post 21344668)

Both sides need to smoke a little weed and chill the fuck out.

Originally Posted by kane (Post 21344689)

I think if you dig deep and ask real questions you will find a lot of people you know have some kind of deep seeded racism and in many cases they may not even know they are racist because they have felt this way their entire lives so it is what is normal to them.

Originally Posted by Joshua G (Post 21344710)

well said. as for me i recognize my own hyperbole. i am one that reads both ends & at least attempts putting myself in the other shoes. I voted for bill. & i voted for obama. but neither of them twice. I just see the pile of shit on the left being much larger nowadays, thanks to the media. a balanced media, IMO, would solve 80% of the problem since they are spreading race lies everyday.

my line of thinking tends to be accurate, as demonstrated by my calling 46 states right & getting within 7 points of calling trumps electoral votes (i had him for 313, trump got 306) in this election.

:)

Originally Posted by Joshua G (Post 21344728)

no man. i live in the suburbs of manhattan. the people in my orbit are all democrats, or new york liberal republicans (AKA trump)

but i heard some young white people toss the N word around a few months back. i was stunned, cause of this media perception that millenials are so liberal. nope. i dont even think the white kids were racist. they were talking like they were wannabe rappers. but of course, had they wrote such comments on twitter, black twitter would go on a rampage.

context is lost today. ultra sensitivity is censoring people.

Originally Posted by Joshua G (Post 21344710)

well said. as for me i recognize my own hyperbole. i am one that reads both ends & at least attempts putting myself in the other shoes. I voted for bill. & i voted for obama. but neither of them twice. I just see the pile of shit on the left being much larger nowadays, thanks to the media. a balanced media, IMO, would solve 80% of the problem since they are spreading race lies everyday.

my line of thinking tends to be accurate, as demonstrated by my calling 46 states right & getting within 7 points of calling trumps electoral votes (i had him for 313, trump got 306) in this election.

:)

Originally Posted by slapass (Post 21344653)

You are seriously fucked up.

:thumbsup

Originally Posted by RFremont (Post 21345094)

Then this average, normal working guy has to hear about black people whining about whatever they whine about.

Originally Posted by kane (Post 21343837)

Just a thought. There are 318 million people in the United States and it is big a country. Just because it isn't happening to you in your little corner of the world doesn't mean it isn't happening.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21345292)

Clearly, America is overpopulated now.

Originally Posted by Joshua G (Post 21344539)

some people? try an entire political party, the mainstream media, & college campuses across america, where you have a better chance being educated by a communist than by a republican.

how is it healthy to have our education system SYSTEMICALLY teach children that the country is MORE racist in 2016 than 1962...how is that happening? How are people with college degrees voting for gender politics during a great recession? bubble thinking?

Trump needs to flush the public education of this this lying cabal.

:2 cents:

Originally Posted by kane (Post 21344545)

My position is that the country is pretty racist, but most of that racism is kept under wraps or is subtle. If I had to put it on a scale of 1 to 100 where 1 is not racist and 100 is terrible racism, I would say the US is somewhere in the 60's. I think we have come a long way, but I think there is still a good, pretty strong, undercurrent of racism in this country.

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21345304)

Incorrect

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21345361)

Muslim, African and some Asian Countries are 90% Racist or Tribal. Israel is 100%. And there's the problem.

The UK has a large foreign-born and 2nd and 3rd Generations of migrants. Many live in self-created ghettoes. Muswell Hill, Tower Hamlets, etc.

Few marry outside their race, creed or religious cult. Some will kill daughters for breaking away from the race, creed or religious cult. It took 30 years to start seeing Black/White marriages as a norm. When will we see Muslim/Athiest, Jew/Muslim, Hindu/Sikh, etc? Marriages in the same light.

Trying walking at night in an area dominated by one minority race.

Was that part of the reason you went for the crazy figure of 60%. Or s it because we're being forced to accept people as equals only because of the colour of their skin?

Originally Posted by kane (Post 21345391)

I said 60 because, in my experience, there is a lot more racism out there than many people might realize. I know people who are racist, and will argue until their are blue in the face that they are not. They see themselves as "traditional."

Originally Posted by Joshua G (Post 21345469)

what about self segregation? look at how the public makes housing choices, & how they make friends at college. all the races stick to one another in an open society.

did white people force all the races to live homogenously at college? does anyone in our country force anyone to not live in their town (besides the gated rich)

& when white hipsters started populating williamsburg this past decade, converting it from a slum to the coolest part of brooklyn...spike lee publicly bitched about it! called it "gentrification" WTF is that??? sounds like spike lee doesnt like integration very much. but isnt he a liberal?

its my opinion that people still have genetic tendancies to tribalism, even among liberals. & i wonder what you smell as racism, i am seeing as tribalism.

50 years of liberal PC cant change thousands of years of genetic social preference. do you know the left oppresses genetic research into racial disparities? john tierney wrote a big thing about liberals oppressing science when they dont agree with it.



so theres all that...

:2 cents:

Originally Posted by kane (Post 21345391)

I said 60 because, in my experience, there is a lot more racism out there than many people might realize. I know people who are racist, and will argue until their are blue in the face that they are not. They see themselves as "traditional."

Originally Posted by Joshua G (Post 21344650)

you do a fantastic job of portraying moderation, & independent thinking. so i do try to minimize my calling you names.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21345628)

I'm just pointing out it's not only White People who are racist. In fact with the Liberal PC agenda. We are doing something to change it.

Some here are blind to many things. Blaming White people for slavery. Slavery was the norm until White people tried banning it. However, some Non-White people still practice it. It's still enshrined in some religions and long before White Men arrived in Africa, black and Browns had a thriving slave trade.

We were just better so better at it.



https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...of_slavery.png

Not entirely accurate. Slavery has not been abolished in the West.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-d...t-crisis-level

https://www.theguardian.com/global-d...for-ever-video

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonita_Alizadeh

So not a White problem exclusively.

Originally Posted by RFremont (Post 21344455)

This is my take on this; truth be said I can't say I'm a liberal or conservative as I think both sides have their merits and both have their completely fucked up rationale as well.

The problem that normal, working class , tax paying people have is not that they are racist; it's that they know when black people and minorites scream for equality, what they really are screaming for is special treatment.

A guy wakes up and goes to work in the steel mine, or factory or wherever and each day in the news hears and reads about black athletes making multi-millions of dollars, rappers/artists pulling in big money for putting out shit music, and black celebrity artists which huge revenues. For the sake of making my point, we all know that lebron james and floyd mayweather other top NBA and NFL players make upwards of 50mn a year... how about we look at a Steve Harvey (entertainer) or a Tyra Banks, two people with a reported combined net worth of 100 mn USD. And that's just 2 less than A actor/entertainers that I just thought of.

Then this average, normal working guy has to hear about black people whining about whatever they whine about. What other country in the world would Steve Harvey make 30mn a year. Where else (maybe the UK but not at that level) would rappers make millions. If this average working guy speaks out about this, well then he's a racist. If he speaks to the truth, he's a racist. He just has to sit there quietly and clap when untrue statements are made because the PC police will call him racist.

Now you add that hypocrisy, you have the stereotype that a large portion of black people - now I don't say all so don't you libs all get your panties in your twats - have a propensity for violence, don't want to take manual labor jobs, prefer criminal/gang life, worship rap/hip hop culture, have criminal records, have a disproportionate number of single mother homes and so on... and you can understand why Trump got to where he did.
Some of you turds pull out skewed stats that show otherwise but everyone knows the real truth.

Now do I think 5 white cops jumping on top of one fat black dude and choking him to death is right? No. Do I think cops shooting an unarmed man in the back while running away is ok? No. Do I think real hardcore racists exist? yes. Do I think there are some wonderful, honest and hard working people? Sure. But if black people, such as black lives matters, are going to shriek and scream and riot because of some injustices, they cannot discriminate against only white vs black. They should look at the black on black crime/murder rate in cities like Chicago, and should be more appalled.... but no, that doesn't fit their professional victim agenda as a means to get more freebies, more passes, more benefits.

All in all, I can completely see and agree that people have had enough.

Originally Posted by kane (Post 21346933)

Racism is not a white's only issue. A lot of black people think black people can't be racist, but there are plenty of black people (and people of other non-white races) that are racist.