I guarantee you didn't know how many there were or the date they vote until I posted it.

Of course that is true. However, this race more than any other in my life, shows how truly broken the system is and how truly disappointed people are in it.

The entire system is broken and people voted against it... that is the one and only issue people should be concerned with fixing right now. Whining about Trumps latest tweet when you know he's a pompous asshole, just as he was last year, the year before, 5 years ago, 15 years ago etc is pretty pointless. Everyone knew he was an asshole... but he won the presidential election.. .that should be what people are looking at as being the problem. In my view, this is what Democrats don't seem to get. Everyone knows he's a dick and he says obnoxious shit... that isn't going to change.

How about we all focus on what matters such as examining how these two thoroughly unfit people rose to the top to begin with???

I would not challenge the idea that each side is full of shit... of course thats true. I say again and again and again that they were two sides of the same coin and just like crockett embody every traid they despise in "the other side". however, there was no balance as to how the news was delivered. Most media favored hillary, not trump. In fact, on my phone, i get headlines daily and they always read like this

Trump bad
Trump bad
Trump is bad
Trump says bad thing
Trump is crazy
Trump bad
Trump meltdown
Trump unelectable
Trump bad
Hillary slams Trump
Trump bad
Trump attacks....
Hillary good

That is how the news headlines read through the election cycle. It became a daily joke here at the office to compare and count. And when Hillary does something like destroys emails under subpoena, lies to investigators, destroys devices under subpoena etc etc etc etc etc, it was barely talked about. New email shit was coming out weekly that constradicted everything she said time and time again and it would get a few seconds coverage and Trumps latest tweet would get 10X more. That was a truly alarming thing to me. The fact the media now has gone from detectives searching for the truth and often beating police to the facts to generally honest reporting to the pressure of a 24 hr news cycle where non-news is news, to a mouth piece for political party.

I dont support Trump.
I didn't vote for Trump.
He's a dipshit.
This election presented no choice. Sociopathic Career Criminal vs Pompous Megalomaniac Narcissist

Sure sure.

Clearly what happened wasn't Bush's fault. It was Obama's fault. Or Bill Clinton's fault.

Don't kid yourself here. Bush inherited a good economy, and eight years later we were stuck in two never ending wars and an economy that pure shit. Of course it's Bush's fault. It happened on his watch. No matter how you try to spin this it was Bush's fault. Period.

And now here you are to tell us how it is. Unemployment isn't going down? It's down to 4.6%. The only time during my life time it's been lower was 2000, 1999, and the year I was born 1968.

I can't wait to see how the economy does under Trump. Let's see where unemployment is a year from now.

Since you are one of the dumbest human beings to ever post on this forum, i'll try to simplify this for you.

The economy expands and contracts, regardless of who is in office.
In a global economy, economies expand and contract with other global economies.

A good economy is going to become a bad economy in 10-15 years regardless of who is in office. A bad economy is going to become a good economy, regardless of who is in office.

All you are doing is parroting the party line and you know nothing apparently of macro-economics.

It amazes me that an adult thinks the sitting President has some magical power over the economy.

Since Obama is in office, I suppose that using your logic, this being the slowest economic recovery since WWII is also his fault 100%.

The point which you quoted, yet are too dumb to fully grasp is that if one president is argued to be 100% responsible for economic ruin ... then the sitting President is equally responsible for an economy that has basically stalled for 8 years. The "bush's fault" arguemnt was played out long ago, hence Dems losing control of the House and Senate.

The media. Also they dropped civics classes from most curriculums decades ago. We have a generation that doesn't know how government works and their ethics obligations.

By your logic the President has nothing to do with the economy, so.... what's the point of this entire conversation?

I don't have a "party line". I do not have a party. Nor do I care what either party tells me. I am not a democrat. I was surely not in Hillary's camp.

Yes, the economy goes through changes.... But the President and our government has a huge impact on this. Bush failed us. He didn't just fail us, he failed us in a spectacular fashion. Do I think Obama was our hero and our savior? No, not really. The one thing we needed most to fix this was time and that's what Obama got. Basically Obama didn't fuck it up even worse.

But of course you are right. The economy is still bad, unemployment is still massive, people are losing their jobs, and people are losing their houses.

Bush had nothing to do with the legislation that required lenders to make loans to increasingly unqualified borrowers. It also was not Bush's fault that Wall Street got very very good at selling bad loans wrapped into securities. The failure was in not recognizing how bad the problem was until it was too late. Obama certainly didn't fix anything in spite of trying.

The housing bubble burst, the economy imploded and as is the case every single time, it began to recover.

Obama didn't cause the economy to recover. Bush didn't cause it to collapse.

Clinton didn't cause an economic boom which was brought on by explosion of ecommerce... he just happened to be in office at the right time.

Presidents don't even make laws. That requires the House and Senate and there is NO legislation which you can blame for anything of that era which doesn't have significant votes from the other party. It certainly doesn't trace to one person.

You write walls of text which for the most part displays your ignorance.

as opposed to you, summing up your own in one sentence.

It is you not I putting your ignorance on display for all members to see.

You just said it yourself: "The failure was in not recognizing houw bad the problem was until it was too late".

The Bush administration, Congress, the banks, and Wall Street all encouraged this. No one wanted this to stop. The housing market was going up and up, people were pulling money out of their houses, spending it on toys and improvements, which caused the economy to do well, which only caused the price of houses to up further. At the same time they couldn't build houses fast enough.

We all knew what was going on, we just didn't want it to end. It was crazy. I bought a house for $220k in Phoenix, Arizona - a rather average house with a pool - and two years later it had doubled in value. That's insane.

Don't tell us the President has no control over this, and don't tell us the President doesn't make laws. What President Bush should have done was get together a number of people from Congress, sit them down, and say "Times are good right now but this is going to be a huge problem shortly and I need you to sponsor bills that will become laws that will help prevent this". And this just didn't happen. Our president failed us.

Please don't tell me he didn't see this coming - most of us did.

And then please do not tell us that Obama didn't fix this. He was handed the worst economy in my life time with unemployment over 10% and cut it in half. He made the right decisions. He put the right people in the right departments to make this happen.

Tell us Mr Crockettscience ... if Obama fixed it... then you'd have to know what would have happened without Obama. Correlation is not causation. Recovery+Guy in Oval Office doesn't equate to "he did it". There would have been no lame ass, super poor recovery that we're seeing without Obama in office? Of course there would have been. The economy would have recovered with a monkey in the Oval Office or even Bush JR again.

You are giving too much credit to both sides in this one.

It was fear. White men are old and out of favor. This was their last hurrah. I understand it, I just can't applaud it.

I have no idea what that means.

Maybe? Maybe not? Maybe if we had a different president we would still be at war in two different countries in the middle east. Maybe if we had a different president we would be at war with Russia. Maybe unemployment would be 4.2% if there was a different president.

Are things better or worse than when Obama took office? Obviously better. When Obama took office people were losing their jobs and losing their houses.

He hardly could have made it worse. I think you are expecting too much of these guys. Very few saw the housing boom/bust before it happened. Or the road out.

People keep sending me this thread. My absence is easy to explain.

When it comes to legitimate business, entrepreneurship, marketing, sales and success...

You're all irrelevant.

This forum is irrelevant.

It's that simple.

In a perpetually growing market, with perpetually growing demand, the vast majority of you, as always has been the case, are perpetually failing. Not because of who leads the market, not because of competition, not because of new technology, not because of which directions things evolve towards, not because of who "steals" what video, but because of you.

You are failing or have failed because of who you are and how you think.

This is a data and statically driven business occupied almost entirely by people who can barely add or read or even express a simple thought with any coherence.

There are few to no people left to respect in this industry
There are no companies left to admire in this industry
There are no achievements worth emulating in this industry
There are no innovations worthy of attention in this industry
There are no people worth aspiring to be in this industry
There is no more awe-inspiring ingenuity in this industry

There are endless places online or off to actually learn should you choose to. There are endless places to find successful people either online or off, who can both inspire and motivate as they pass on priceless information and advice and carefully detail lessons learned. GFY is not one of them. GFY has not been one of them for a very long time.

This place used to be an OK distraction and often amusing, now its just a bunch of jackoffs spamming their sigs, spamming their products, talking about trump, hillary, liberals, republicans, conspiracies and copy/paste news.

I've got a few companies to run and have no need for distracting myself by talking to, engaging with or otherwise mocking those who have nothing better to do.

Pretty much anyone i like has my phone number or skype id or email. There is no reason to be here. That is the case for all the people that have been quietly slipping out the back door as this place continues its downward spiral into an internet refuge for both the unemployed and the unemployable.

I have to set an appropriate value on my time and it doesn't allow for this place.

;)

The entire US political system is fucked up. https://gfy.com/21358210-post12.html

So who else do you vote for? https://gfy.com/21358210-post12.html

The problem is there's no chance of a new party emerging when voters are voting for the big spenders and people who are forced to represent those big spenders.

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The US political process is bought and paid for by people who can outspend the voters.

The Skyrocketing Costs of Running for Mayor of a Major U.S. City Until a cap is put on the costs the likelihood of a third party rising and representing the people is remote. In 2016 it's easy to connect with people, no need for the huge campaign, TV adverts, and stadium shows. The plus side for politicians is it stops them getting onto Social Media and mapping out and explaining their policies.

Prime Mortgages were a Clinton invention.
NAFTA was a Clinton invention.

It takes time for fuck ups to kick in. But, put a moron in charge and the fuck ups, only increase. Bush was picked for you by people who don't care about you.

Yes, Western economies go through periods of boom and bust. Because we're basing our economies on casinos not production.

Casinos that are uncontrolled and can sell $1 for $2 are always going to collapse when people realise $1 is only worth 90 cents. The insane part is the people placing the bets get a % for just placing them. Look at the list of donors to see why the markets are allowed to scam us.

Go back 50 years and economies were less likely to go from boom to bust, except for the Great Depression where the markets fucked us first.

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You don't get it. If they stop this merry go round. The donors pull their money out so the politicians lose their jobs. It's not just the President, it runs right down to Mayors.

LoLzZzZz

I just wanted to remind him that GFY is populated with idiots. :thumbsup

Ok......


So some sensible folks talked you down. Now what was the original post about again ?


Some would argue that your original rant is the true effect of His Orangness rising to claim his throne.

The polarising nature of his rhetoric, the vicious low level insults, the anything goes approach to the truth (or lack of it).

He didn't just suggest calmly that illegal immigration should be brought under control - he said that mexico was sending rapists, drug dealers and murderers and a wall should be built. ( Whist ignoring the fact that his wife and his grand parents were immigrants.)

He didn't just say that Hillary was unfit to be president because she had classified info on a private email server - he said that she and her family were corrupt career criminals and he would lock her up if he became president. ( Whilst ignoring the fact that he has a great many dubious issues of his own and no one in the Clinton family has ever been charged let alone convicted. )

He didn't just say that he would be monitoring the election process to ensure fairness - he said that the system was corrupt and rigged, and that the election would be stolen from him. He also said he would not accept the result unless he won !

So you wonder why the other camp (who did not vote for him) might be slightly pissed off, and you ignore the fact that the exact same thing happened over the last 8 years in reverse !

Funny.

The worst thing about Trump is the way he has destroyed any semblance of decency and fairness in American politics. He is probably the most divisive figure since the 1950's.

He is not going to bring the jobs back, his economic plans will drive up costs, create inflation, unemployment will rise and living standards will fall. Protectionism is not the work of an economic genius.

He is not going to make America great again - he doesn't need to, it is great.

Trump just tricked enough of you into his rabid xenophobia. He created enough demons to make sure you are scared witless. Thats the genius of Trump and he even has you attacking anyone not with the program. Very sad.

:2 cents:

And please dont start wittering about Godwins law - the parallels are legion, and claiming Godwin does not alter anything and it does not excuse all of the nastiness anti-antisemitism and outright racism that has replaced normal decent discourse both here and in the wider society.

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Another psycho who hasn't been paying attention. Democrats lost the house and senate years ago. Your failures have nothing to do with Trump. You simply lost the 3rd branch of government recently to top off 8 years of tunnel vision and ignoring the voters

Of course Trump is a twat. Hes always been a pompous jackass. Everyone has witnessed this for several decades. It's not the breaking news you guys keep pretending it is. He says dumb shit. He's been doing it on tv since I was a little kid.

But he's now President largely because of Democrats, not Republicans. Democrats were losing seats in bulk well before Trump decided to run for office and it shouldn't have been a shock that he won against an equally unfit candidate .... but here you guys are. Shocked.

What's your plan?

Whine.
Cry.

Make his every tweet a news story as you continue to fail to understand why he's your Presodent or understand that whining, crying, shouting others down and freaking out every time he burps does absolutely nothing at all to address the reasons the Democrats have lost the House, Senate and White House.

The voting public has now throughly rejected your plans (or Hillarys lack thereof) and your general behavior. I'd say it's time to rethink things and get your shit together or we'll get 8 years of this idiot while you're busying yourselves with whining about his 3am tweets

My point was pretty simple - you guys complaining about Trump daily are the ones that were ignoring everything that voters feel is important. Now you're ignoring why you've lost The White of House, The Senate and The House and Walt to jabber about Trump all day long - rather than face some uncomfortable truths

Youve given him billions in media time for free. You. You did that. That was a massive tactical mistake and now you're prepared to making that same mistake apparently for another 8 years to his benefit.

I've seen Russell Brand and Bill Maher make pretty much the same point.

Are they not liberal?

"We have to create a world where Donald Trump isn't necessary and if we don't create that kind of world don't be surprised when Donald Trump becomes president." - Russell Brand



"We can't build walls. That's not the answer. Like it or not we're living with Trump now." - Bill Maher (watch from 51:06)



Not only that but right around the same time you were explaining how little power the president has over the economy and telling Rochard that he was one of the biggest idiots this board has ever seen I was on another board explaining pretty much the same thing to Vendzilla and telling him how he was one of the biggest idiots on that board. :1orglaugh

So I think your problem lies more with idiots than it does with liberals.

Damn. Now I'm agreeing with Russel Brand of all people. If Democrats could understand that, there wouldn't be a Trump President.

Ironically, another 4 years of hysterical, whining and crying and mindless focus on Trump tweets is just going to get him re-elected and they probably won't gain seats in the House or Senate next time either.... since they aren't going to confront the issues voters care about like the economy, health care, trade and jobs.

ok, so democrats created the monster trump by ignoring a large segment of the population but what is the solution then? to adopt more "trump like" ideals? they largely don't fit.

The solution to any problem is identifying the problem and finding possible ways to fix it, testing the possible ways, and implementing the way that seems to work best.

The president is not the problem. The president is the result of the problem.

Define the problem instead of calling everyone with opposing views names.

Lay down some ideas that may fix the problem.

Try the ideas until one works.

Problem fixed. President irrelevant.

Everyone seems to think the president has this all demanding power, until their president is in the Oval and can't do shit, then they blame it on the other party. If business got away with as much blame as politics did, we would still be rolling around in Flintstones style cars. The blame game does not exist in true leadership. Until politicians figure this out, they will all be worthless hacks.

Great post :thumbsup

When Bush tanked the economy they blamed it on some bill that Clinton signed 10 years prior

When Trump tanks the economy I WONDER what the dipshits here are going to blame that Obama did now.

Trump WILL tank the economy in half the time it took Bush

2-3 years easy

Bush had eight years to fix this. He did not fix this. He allowed this to happen.

Amazing isn't it?

Assuming this true, Bush had eight years to identify the problem, stop it, and prevent it form happening. Bush failed to do this. No matter how people try to spin this the recession we had at the end of Bush's term was the fault of Bush - nothing something the prior president did eight years before.

There is exactly where the term "passing the buck" comes from.

We are at 4.6% unemployment right now. I cannot wait to see where unemployment is two years from.

I didn't know we had so many Ronald Reagan fans here. I mean, Reagan made the economy grow faster than Bush, Clinton, Carter, Ford etc. He was President, therefore, he gets the credit. Carter - was president over one of the worst economic period... damned Democrats!

Nice to see you guys giving Ronald Reagan credit where credit is due.

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He also allowed 9/11 by not protecting us, then allowing the rich Saudi families to leave the country while air space was restricted. He then got us entangled in a war based on false intel.

Again, you haven't been listening to what people want. Not what Liberals want. What a larger percent of the voting population wants. The same voting population which put more Republicans in elected office than at any other point in history since 2008. What they've wanted for years which is why Democrats have lost control of all 3 branches of Government and put Trump in the White House.

Jobs - wages have been flat for decades, people are tired of fake unemployment numbers being touted and being told everything is great when they're suffering and see no hope for improvement
Economy - slowest economic recovery since WWII - If Bush Caused the recession, then Obama is responsible for a horrible recovery. Fair,... right?
Illegal Immigration - 20 - 30 Million people in the country illegally along with the negative economic impact that brings
Better Trade Deals - we've been fucked on ever deal for decades, abiding by absurd and often hobbling terms with the other not doing so
Health Care That Works for Them - Obamacare is a disaster and getting worse by the day as more insurers pull out
Less Corporate Interests Controlling Washington - The nation is run by special interests
Stop Blaming Others and Get to Work - Success and change do not come through blame

These are the primary reasons why Trump is your President.... and why no one gives a shit about an audio of grabbing a pussy or moronic tweets at 3am. People are suffering. People want change. People want the system itself shaken up.