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beerptrol 12-10-2016 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by nico-t (Post 21369025)
wow, Trump really makes the establishment desperate in all these attempts to undermine democracy. Obama really hates democracy.

Keep drinking the koolaid. He is the establishment and so are his cabinet picks!

Bladewire 12-10-2016 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by beerptrol (Post 21369409)
Keep drinking the koolaid. He is the establishment and so are his cabinet picks!

Nico-T is Dutch and lives in the Netherlands. For some reason he's heavily vested in American republican political hyperbole.

He has no actual knowledge of the intricacies of Trumps cabinet pics and appointees.

He has no idea that every one of Trumps cabinet pics are old school lock & chain Republicans and heads of Goldman Sachs, and he doesn't care, it's all superficial to him because he just likes saying republicans are winners and all others suck :2 cents:

Google Expert 12-10-2016 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 21369331)
The real question is about outside interference in the US Elections.

The outside interference is Hillary having a personal and DNC server that could be hacked by Russians.

Steve Rupe 12-10-2016 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 21368365)
I'm not claiming to be an expert and I agree, Trump is a weasel. That said, I just don't see a whole lot of other ways for him not to become president. As much as some people might want it, I don't think 39 electors are going to vote for Clinton. The only way the investigation Obama has ordered can really change things is if it brings up evidence that Trump and his people rigged the election.

Maybe there are other ways he could be kept from becoming president, but I don't see them.

Care to enlighten?

They don't have to vote for Clinton, acutally, but I too do not think that enough electors will change their vote. I do think that their should be an investigation into the "hacking" matter to confirm who did it, if possible, and to hopefully come up with some ideas to prevent it from happening again.

nico-t 12-10-2016 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21369424)
Nico-T is Dutch and lives in the Netherlands. For some reason he's heavily vested in American republican political hyperbole.

He has no actual knowledge of the intricacies of Trumps cabinet pics and appointees.

He has no idea that every one of Trumps cabinet pics are old school lock & chain Republicans and heads of Goldman Sachs, and he doesn't care, it's all superficial to him because he just likes saying republicans are winners and all others suck :2 cents:

wrong

Trump is the winner, all others suck

I do not care about democrats and republicans. The Bushes are exactly the same as the Clintons: Establishment puppets

Lichen 12-10-2016 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 21369070)

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/09/us...tion-hack.html

WASHINGTON ? American intelligence agencies have concluded with ?high confidence? that Russia acted covertly in the latter stages of the presidential campaign to harm Hillary Clinton?s chances and promote Donald J. Trump

BREAKING.
CIA: "Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, war justified."

Bladewire 12-10-2016 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by nico-t (Post 21369442)
wrong

Trump is the winner, all others suck

I do not care about democrats and republicans. The Bushes are exactly the same as the Clintons: Establishment puppets

I'm a Blue Dog Democrat now, I used to be a Rockefeller Republican, I'm fiscally conservative. Everyone Trump has appointed is pro multi-national corporate welfare, which will drain our system. I'm glad he's building up our military and gearing up for a fight.

We'll see how things turnout, he lies so much it's hard to really tell what we're in for but its not looking good for our country financially.

2MuchMark 12-10-2016 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21368539)



AWESOME!!!!!!

What a great, great day for America and the world it could be.


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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 21368581)
If the Russians were involved in hacking the emails or otherwise intentionally tried to influence the election..... That would be huge.

It looks like they really were involved:

Check this out, by the Washington Post no less:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.e56af92fe0e0

And to no surprise, Donald Trump is having a meltdown and calling out the CIA (LOL!!)
Donald Trump takes aim at US intel on Russia - CNNPolitics.com

What would happen if all of this turns out to be true? If Russia was shown to have hacked the election and worked with Trump to get him elected. Would Trump be automaticall disqualified from being Prez? Or would he have to be impeached? Would Pence take over, or would there be another election? I'm sure all of this is unheard of in US politics, but just wondering if you knew anyway.


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Originally Posted by nico-t (Post 21369025)
wow, Trump really makes the establishment desperate in all these attempts to undermine democracy. Obama really hates democracy.

No that's not right. Democracy lets Obama launch an investigation, the same way it lets Trump say everything he says. And, it was democracy that allowed Trump to get this far. But now since there are so many questions, the democratic process must be allowed to continue so that those questions can be answered.

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 21369148)
Spin spin baby...




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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 21369220)

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 21369148)
Spin spin baby... Trump has been claiming the election was rigged even after the election ended. Yet because a recount or investigation might hurt him, now it's different..

You are the one that needs to go back to high school

Why? Trump claimed the election was rigged before he won, and again after he won. I don't know if a recount would hurt him. Maybe yes, maybe no. As a true-blue American yourself, what do you have against a recount? Isn't this democracy?

baddog 12-10-2016 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 21369247)
17 US government agencies are confident and Baddog says he knows better ...

I didn't say anything; I asked you a question. I thought you were fluent in English.

baddog 12-10-2016 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 21369301)
Clinton did win the popular vote.. Never in history has the popular vote been so much more and the candidate didn't win the EC.

That shows, that gerrymandering is what "won" the EC. Meaning a rigged system at state level in a handful of states changed the outcome of the election.

That is not how our elections should work. If you think allowing state governments to change the will of the people by redrawing lines is ok, then you should move to Russia or some other shit hole where the public has no real choice.

Obviously you don't understand what gerrymandering is. When did states have their boundaries realigned?

Barry-xlovecam 12-10-2016 01:07 PM

50 hacks ...
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Originally Posted by Lichen (Post 21369445)
BREAKING.
CIA: "Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, war justified."

Message to the *red-hats*.

They swallow any shit "fearless leader" flushes down their little mouths.

The Democrat Senators on the Senate Intelligence Committee sent President Obama a signed letter asking that the report's details be declassified and released to the public. I would like to see them -- wouldn't you?

Bladewire 12-10-2016 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 21369493)
Obviously you don't understand what gerrymandering is.


What political party gerrymanders to weaken the minority vote? Republicans

baddog 12-10-2016 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21369505)

What political party gerrymanders to weaken the minority vote? Republicans

For your graph to be relevant each state would have to have their own EC and not base their results on the popular vote.

Not one works that way

Bladewire 12-10-2016 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 21369511)
For your graph to be relevant each state would have to have their own EC and not base their results on the popular vote.

Not one works that way


Take your complaint to Wikipedia, it's their graph https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerr..._United_States

Evidently there's a conspiracy by Wikipedia to misinform the public on the basics of our political system.

vano 12-10-2016 01:39 PM

It looks like liberals will never move past the denial phase, which is ok by me. Fuckin' crybabies won't win another national election for decades. Hope they run a gay muslim next election.


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2MuchMark 12-10-2016 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 21369496)
50 hacks ...


Message to the *red-hats*.

They swallow any shit "fearless leader" flushes down their little mouths.

The Democrat Senators on the Senate Intelligence Committee sent President Obama a signed letter asking that the report's details be declassified and released to the public. I would like to see them -- wouldn't you?


I would for sure. And so should every freedom-loving American.




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Originally Posted by Lichen (Post 21369445)
BREAKING.
CIA: "Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, war justified."

No.

The CIA released an summary on Saddam Hussein's chemical and biological weapons programs in 2002, 9 months before the invasion of Iraq.

An expurgated version was released in 2004, but the full version wasn't available to the public until 2009. The CIA said:

"Iraq probably has renovated a [vaccine] production plant" to manufacture biological weapons "but we are unable to determine whether [biological weapons] agent research has resumed." The NIE also said Hussein did not have "sufficient material" to manufacture any nuclear weapons and "the information we have on Iraqi nuclear personnel does not appear consistent with a coherent effort to reconstitute a nuclear weapons program."

The CIA told the truth.

Read more at
Here's the full version of the CIA's 2002 intelligence assessment on WMD in Iraq - Business Insider and https://news.vice.com/article/the-ci...-iraq-invasion

peace.

2MuchMark 12-10-2016 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by vano (Post 21369541)
It looks like liberals will never move past the denial phase, which is ok by me. Fuckin' crybabies won't win another national election for decades. Hope they run a gay muslim next election.


.

Vano, this isn't a "liberal" thing anymore. I don't think anyone should dismiss this topic. It's pretty damn important.

baddog 12-10-2016 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21369517)
Take your complaint to Wikipedia, it's their graph https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerr..._United_States

Evidently there's a conspiracy by Wikipedia to misinform the public on the basics of our political system.

That's for local stuff you idiot.

Bladewire 12-10-2016 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 21369628)
That's for local stuff you idiot.

Yeah Crockett said "That shows, that gerrymandering is what "won" the EC. Meaning a rigged system at state level in a handful of states changed the outcome of the election."

So I posted a graphic to explain to you gerrymandering because you were confused as to how it impacted presidential elections.

The GOP gerrymandered local elections to imppact congressional districts and win the 201y election without popular vote.

Here's a story written about their plan in April 2015 GOP Plots to Win 2016 Presidency Without a Majority Popular Vote. It's basically stealing power against the will of the majority.

kane 12-10-2016 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Rupe (Post 21369436)
They don't have to vote for Clinton, acutally, but I too do not think that enough electors will change their vote. I do think that their should be an investigation into the "hacking" matter to confirm who did it, if possible, and to hopefully come up with some ideas to prevent it from happening again.

I agree, if there was some kind of hacking or influence from Russia that may have affected the election, it needs to be looked into so we can see just what happened and keep it from happening again.

Google Expert 12-10-2016 03:40 PM

Gotta love lib flip-flopping

http://i.imgur.com/4P5aYBL.jpg

Bladewire 12-10-2016 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Google Expert (Post 21369763)
Gotta love lib flip-flopping

No Obama flip flop there. You lack logic & comprehension, or purposely prefer being an ankle biter :1orglaugh

Grapesoda 12-10-2016 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 21368101)
https://i.imgur.com/iMAzAaT.jpg

President Obama at MacDill Air Force Base in Tampa on Tuesday. (Photo: Monica Herndon/Tampa Bay Times via AP, Pool)

President Obama has ordered the U.S. intelligence community to conduct a "full review" of the cyberattacks during the 2016 election and to prepare a report on the subject - including to Congress - before he leaves office, White House homeland security adviser Lisa Monaco said Thursday.

"We may have crossed into a new threshold," Monaco said at a breakfast meeting with reporters, referring to the "malicious" election-related cyberattacks, which U.S. intelligence officials have said publicly they are "confident" were directed by the Russian government. "And it's incumbent upon us to take a stock of that, to review, to conduct some after-action, to understand what this means and what has happened and to impart lessons learned."

Deputy White House press secretary Eric Schultz later told reporters that Obama ordered the review earlier this week, describing it as a "deep dive" by U.S. intelligence agencies - working with the FBI and the State Department - into malicious cyberattacks that the U.S. intelligence community have already determined was directed at the "highest levels" of the Russian government. (Schultz notably said Thursday that the U.S. intelligence community has "high confidence" in that conclusion. The intelligence community had previously said it was "confident" about the Russian role.) He added that the review will also encompass cyberprobing and "scanning" of state election systems last summer, as well as look back at an earlier election-related cyberattack on the campaigns of Obama and Sen. John McCain in 2008, which U.S. officials attributed to the Chinese government.

Schultz emphasized that the review is "not an effort to challenge the outcome" of the 2016 presidential election. Still, he said, "it's a huge priority. It's a major priority for the president."

Obama's review could box in President-elect Donald Trump on an issue that has wide-ranging implications for U.S.-Russia relations. Already the matter has prompted calls for further investigations by the Congress - including proposals to create a national commission, patterned after the one formed after the 9/11 terror attacks - to conduct a full public review of the subject.

In an interview released this week, President-elect Trump dismissed the conclusions of the intelligence community on the Russian role in cyberattacks on the Democratic National Committee and other political organizations, saying at one point they could have been committed by "some guy in his home in New Jersey."

"I don't believe they interfered," said Trump in an interview with Time, about the Russian role in meddling in the U.S. election. "That became a laughing point, not a talking point, a laughing point. . Why not get along with Russia?" Trump added. "And they can help us fight ISIS, which is both costly in lives and costly in money. And they're effective and smart. It could be Russia. And it could be China. And it could be some guy in his home in New Jersey. I believe that it could have been Russia, and it could have been any one of many other people. Sources and even individuals."

Despite calls by seven Democrats on the Senate Intelligence Committee for the Obama administration to declassify more information about what it knows about the cyberattacks, Monaco did not commit to a public release of the intelligence community's review, saying officials had to be careful not to release information that would "disclose sources and methods." But Schultz later told reporters, "We're going to make public as much as we can."

She also did not respond to a question about what response the U.S. government may have taken, or is still contemplating, in retaliation for what it believes to be the Russian attacks. In her opening comments to reporters, Monaco spoke generally about the cyberthreats facing the country, adding at one point that "we will act to protect our interests, as well as impose costs" on malicious cyber actors, including nation-states, that attack U.S. interests. She did not elaborate.

article...

that's just a fuck you to trump on the way out... and it's not we all haven't seen fake news before..:2 cents:

Grapesoda 12-10-2016 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 21368101)
https://i.imgur.com/iMAzAaT.jpg

President Obama at MacDill Air Force Base in Tampa on Tuesday. (Photo: Monica Herndon/Tampa Bay Times via AP, Pool)

President Obama has ordered the U.S. intelligence community to conduct a "full review" of the cyberattacks during the 2016 election and to prepare a report on the subject - including to Congress - before he leaves office, White House homeland security adviser Lisa Monaco said Thursday.

"We may have (everything after this is just conjecture or plain old lies...) crossed into a new threshold," Monaco said at a breakfast meeting with reporters, referring to the "malicious" election-related cyberattacks, which U.S. intelligence officials have said publicly they are "confident" were directed by the Russian government. "And it's incumbent upon us to take a stock of that, to review (complete political bullshit that has no meaning), to conduct some after-action, to understand what this means and what has happened and to impart lessons learned."

Deputy White House press secretary Eric Schultz later told reporters that Obama ordered the review earlier this week, describing it as a "deep dive (more bullshit)" by U.S. intelligence agencies - working with the FBI and the State Department - into malicious cyberattacks that the U.S. intelligence community have already determined was directed at the "highest levels" of the Russian government. (Schultz notably said Thursday that the U.S. intelligence community has "high confidence" in that conclusion. The intelligence community had previously said it was "confident" about the Russian role.) He added that the review will also encompass cyberprobing and "scanning" of state election systems last summer, as well as look back at an earlier election-related cyberattack on the campaigns of Obama and Sen. John McCain in 2008, which U.S. officials attributed to the Chinese government.

Schultz emphasized that the review is "not an effort to challenge the outcome" (more bullshit, he is telling you EXACTLY what they are doing) of the 2016 presidential election. Still, he said, "it's a huge priority. It's a major priority for the president."

Obama's review could box in President-elect Donald Trump on an issue that has wide-ranging implications for U.S.-Russia relations. Already the matter has prompted calls for further investigations by the Congress - including proposals to create a national commission, patterned after the one formed after the 9/11 terror attacks - to conduct a full public review of the subject. (wow dumping a committee on trumps ass to fuck with him on the way out...)

In an interview released this week, President-elect Trump dismissed the conclusions of the intelligence community on the Russian role in cyberattacks on the Democratic National Committee and other political organizations, saying at one point they could have been committed by "some guy in his home in New Jersey."

"I don't believe they interfered," said Trump in an interview with Time, about the Russian role in meddling in the U.S. election. "That became a laughing point, not a talking point, a laughing point. . Why not get along with Russia?" Trump added. "And they can help us fight ISIS, which is both costly in lives and costly in money. And they're effective and smart. It could be Russia. And it could be China. And it could be some guy in his home in New Jersey. I believe that it could have been Russia, and it could have been any one of many other people. Sources and even individuals." (well this makes fucking sense)

Despite calls by seven Democrats on the Senate Intelligence Committee for the Obama administration to declassify more information about what it knows about the cyberattacks, Monaco did not commit to a public release of the intelligence community's review, saying officials had to be careful not to release information that would "disclose sources and methods." But Schultz later told reporters, "We're going to make public as much as we can." (more crap to cause trouble for trump, like a time bomb)

She also did not respond to a question about what response the U.S. government may have taken, or is still contemplating, in retaliation for what it believes to be the Russian attacks. In her opening comments to reporters, Monaco spoke generally about the cyberthreats facing the country, adding at one point that "we will act to protect our interests, as well as impose costs" on malicious cyber actors, including nation-states, that attack U.S. interests. She did not elaborate. (because nothing happened)

article...

here I parsed the story for you guys...

Bladewire 12-10-2016 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 21369841)
here I parsed the story for you guys...

You know Russia hacked the election to get Trump elected. If the same thing happened to Trump you'd be outraged. The majority of fake news sites owned and admistered by Russia are another obvious clue.

Here's the difference, I'm outraged regardless of who the target is. I'm an American. Putin meddling in our elections is a non partisan issue of national security.

Steve Rupe 12-10-2016 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Google Expert (Post 21369763)
Gotta love lib flip-flopping

http://i.imgur.com/4P5aYBL.jpg

That is not an example of a flip flop but you surely must know that.

Lichen 12-10-2016 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21369880)
You know Russia hacked the election to get Trump elected.

What exactly did Russia hack?

kane 12-10-2016 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Lichen (Post 21370081)
What exactly did Russia hack?

The speculation at this point is that the CIA believes Russia hacked the DNC and other things then gave that information to sources like Wikileaks who made it public. Supposedly there are other things they believe the Russians have done, but at this point they aren't saying what those things are.

Coup 12-10-2016 08:45 PM

https://i.imgur.com/m5Po3jX.jpg

Grapesoda 12-10-2016 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21369880)
You know Russia hacked the election to get Trump elected. If the same thing happened to Trump you'd be outraged. The majority of fake news sites owned and admistered by Russia are another obvious clue.

Here's the difference, I'm outraged regardless of who the target is. I'm an American. Putin meddling in our elections is a non partisan issue of national security.

wow I hadn't know you were in the know... post proof of shut the fuck up. BTW 'may have' is not fucking proof.. get it? they fucked you good bro :2 cents:

Paul Markham 12-11-2016 01:09 AM

How dare the Russians interfere in the billionaires' rigged elections. /Irony.

Coup 12-11-2016 01:12 AM

https://i.imgur.com/bEu5tl4.jpg

just a punk 12-11-2016 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Lykos (Post 21368245)
Is there chances that Trump doesn't become president at the end? He got like 2,5 mil less votes anyway, right ? Never understood that rule :(

That's because there is no direct election system in the USA. In short: the US citizens have no right to vote and they are not allowed to elect the president personally - all their votes go to the Electoral College and they (the votes) can be officially ignored by the big guys.

SekobA 12-11-2016 04:22 AM

only a moth to go

Sarn 12-11-2016 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Coup (Post 21370129)

good one! :thumbsup

Grapesoda 12-11-2016 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Coup (Post 21370318)

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Grapesoda 12-11-2016 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21370312)
How dare the Russians interfere in the billionaires' rigged elections. /Irony.

are you that confused? America doesn't want Hillary :2 cents:

Grapesoda 12-11-2016 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 21370375)
That's because there is no direct election system in the USA. In short: the US citizens have no right to vote and they are not allowed to elect the president personally - all their votes go to the Electoral College and they (the votes) can be officially ignored by the big guys.

wow you ever learn anything before? do you think California has the right to pick the president for the country? just asking because the 4 mil popular vote difference all came from cally... you do understand that correct?

romeo22 12-11-2016 02:24 PM

Can't order a Full investigation into voter fraud without implicating himself so only into hacking.

TheSquealer 12-11-2016 02:26 PM

funny move for a crowd that was sure sure they'd win that even Obama was asking if Trump would accept the outcome of the election.

even funnier that he wasn't concerned at all about this months before the election when it was happening

I'm always wondering how much more can you guys do to undermine the election outcome


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