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mikesouth 12-20-2016 10:14 AM

First...for the umpteenth time America is NOT a Democracy, it never has been and untill we trash the Constitution it never will be, although I will allow that the presidential election is a SOMEWHAT democratic process.

But to fix the problem I think we have to get rid of the two party system for one, and as someone else pointed out we have to get rid of paid political ads.

But the deeper problem comes in educating the voters, back when there was a concept in the media called equal time, that has pretty much been abandoned. I think there is a responsibility for the major networks to provide free, equal time to candidates, they are after all "public airwaves"

I don't know but maybe proportional representation is an answer, I haven't given that a lot of thought but I know it works elsewhere.

There is also an argument that people on the public dole lose the right to vote, I tend to disagree with that one even though it IS evident that people trade votes for handouts.

As my friend Tim Walker wrote today on MikeSouth.Com It is becoming increasingly difficult to determine where the truth is even in major news stories, it seems everyone is skeptical, and rightly so, the media has become the tool of the politicians to scare us into relinquishing our Constitutional rights. It's a complex problem with no easy answer...but it does need to be fixed. thats my :2 cents:

DatingNetwork-Derrick 12-20-2016 12:55 PM

It's always funny and scary af watching the gong show from the North. It will be interesting to see how Trump presidency directly affects Canada.

CDSmith 12-20-2016 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DatingNetwork-Derrick (Post 21394783)
It's always funny and scary af watching the gong show from the North. It will be interesting to see how Trump presidency directly affects Canada.

A Trump hotel in every major city by 2020. I hear Saskatoon & Regina aren't off the table.

Paul Markham 12-21-2016 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 21394411)
There is no larger 3rd or 4th party. That is a big part of the problem.

There is no 'uncola.' There are two colas to choose from. Both the Libertarians and the Greens are diametrically opposing extreme viewpoints.

I find little congruence with either of them and very limited congruence with the Democrat or Republican parties. So, I end up choosing who will do the least harm to my personal position. I don't find my situation that bad. So, trashing what is there and starting over is not a real option I am willing to entertain.

The ball is in the Republicans court 100% now. They will get the blame or credit due them -- no excuses accepted.

The ball is in voters court 100% now. Because so long as people vote for Republicans or Democrats funded by the 1%. The 1% win. In reality, the US isn't a two party State if it only gets money from one minority. So voting for those outsiders is the only way to grasp back control. Once in power the Greens are faced with the real world and have to change their policies. However, reducing fossil fuels is a great policy.

The biggest problem the US faces is population versus jobs that pay well enough to keep a family and raise enough taxes. If that trend isn't reversed their will be real problems.

slapass 12-21-2016 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21393700)
Then they're dumb. Because the devil they know is fucking them.

I know you keep going on about this but life in the US amazing. I think you are confused as this point. Go to a country with serious shit going on and then you will see some politics that makes you cringe.

slapass 12-21-2016 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21395857)
The ball is in voters court 100% now. Because so long as people vote for Republicans or Democrats funded by the 1%. The 1% win. In reality, the US isn't a two party State if it only gets money from one minority. So voting for those outsiders is the only way to grasp back control. Once in power the Greens are faced with the real world and have to change their policies. However, reducing fossil fuels is a great policy.

The biggest problem the US faces is population versus jobs that pay well enough to keep a family and raise enough taxes. If that trend isn't reversed their will be real problems.

Paul, it did reverse. We have a labor shortage, and it is only going to get worse. The next ten years are demographic disaster here. Tons of newly retired and not many new workers.
Don't drink the kool-aid. The big issues facing the US and Europe is declining growth and population, combined with large groups of pensioners. It will even out as we get used to it but the change is going to be the issue.

Barry-xlovecam 12-21-2016 06:30 AM

The Voters :1orglaugh

They just elected a new swamp.

If you think a bunch of billionaires should run the US government -- you just got what you asked for.

Linkster 12-21-2016 06:25 PM

The point that most miss is that only half of the US eligible voters even voted in the election - that means that half of the population really doesn't give a shit what happens right off the bat.
The half that does vote depends on mass media to make their decision...the better message you can put out on media, the better chance you will have...it's an advertisers mantra.

With the money that is involved currently in the US election process, you will only get to see candidates that have a money machine...that is what this country "runs on" right now

The people supplying the money will be the deciders...not conspiracy theories or magic...it's just a fact right now. And it won't change ever...no matter how many people say they are going to "drain the swamp" or run the lobbyists out of town...ALL candidates depend on that money - it's a basic need in a republic (The US is not and never has been a democracy no matter what you were taught in grade school) :thumbsup

Paul Markham 12-22-2016 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by slapass (Post 21395905)
I know you keep going on about this but life in the US amazing. I think you are confused as this point. Go to a country with serious shit going on and then you will see some politics that makes you cringe.

Like where? I'm only concerned in the First World.

Paul Markham 12-22-2016 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by slapass (Post 21395917)
Paul, it did reverse. We have a labor shortage, and it is only going to get worse. The next ten years are demographic disaster here. Tons of newly retired and not many new workers.
Don't drink the kool-aid. The big issues facing the US and Europe is declining growth and population, combined with large groups of pensioners. It will even out as we get used to it but the change is going to be the issue.

The idea of a labour shortage would lead to higher wages, the opposite is happening.

Jobs that pay a decent wage are disappearing. Exported or going automated. Yes, there will be problems with raising enough in pensions because lower wages means lower taxes and more Government expenses.

Paul Markham 12-22-2016 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 21396034)
The Voters :1orglaugh

They just elected a new swamp.

If you think a bunch of billionaires should run the US government -- you just got what you asked for.

Given you are given such few choices and your unwillingness to take them. Keep expecting more of the same. A bunch of billionaires running the US government so you just got what you voted for. Or do you believe those billionaires give money without strings attached?

If so I have a bridge for sale. :1orglaugh

Paul Markham 12-22-2016 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Linkster (Post 21397696)
The point that most miss is that only half of the US eligible voters even voted in the election - that means that half of the population really doesn't give a shit what happens right off the bat.
The half that does vote depends on mass media to make their decision...the better message you can put out on media, the better chance you will have...it's an advertisers mantra.

With the money that is involved currently in the US election process, you will only get to see candidates that have a money machine...that is what this country "runs on" right now

The people supplying the money will be the deciders...not conspiracy theories or magic...it's just a fact right now. And it won't change ever...no matter how many people say they are going to "drain the swamp" or run the lobbyists out of town...ALL candidates depend on that money - it's a basic need in a republic (The US is not and never has been a democracy no matter what you were taught in grade school) :thumbsup

:thumbsup

Until voters get more involved this will continue. If the half who don't vote. vote for the Green Party, it would force Dems and Reps to sit up and listen to the people. Even voting for Sanders would have scared the billionaires. Who Barry thinks aren't running the country.


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