Trump will make America great again!! :thumbsup

Letting Mexico pay is simple, just tax the car or other imports with x %.
Higher price of visas for mexican.
Etcetra.

Mexico has big problems now, the gasonline went up 20%
For some people that means they spent 25% of what they make a day on gasoline.
When it will getting worse, people find a way to go over or under the wall.
Met a lot of taxi drivers that work a few months in USA and than a few months in Mexico.

every trump thread is like a massive pile of nude libbies getting off on each other over and over again, while sane people ignore them :1orglaugh hows the circle jerk guys :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

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It's not about taxing autos made in Mexico -- they won't sell any if the tariff is too high and US will collect no tariff on the autos they do not sell. First world auto factory production lines are highly automated with robots managed by computers, the computers managed by technicians -- welcome to the 21st century. The auto industry offer few low skilled jobs today.

Bad conditions on the southern border will only make illegal immigration worse -- wall or not. If you drove piling steel underground the tunnelers would just cut a hole through it -- this is a political folly.

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It expired, they are waiting for the replacement to show up in the mail.

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Than you tax 1 - 5% and not 35%. Can be on any goods and import or export.
That will do, don't need to pay it at once, in the end you will collect enough.

Mexico has well educated people looking for jobs.
The free university in Mexico DF has 200.000 students... is a complete city.
And they need jobs too.

I was wrong, they already have over more than 300.000 students.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation...sity_of_Mexico
Ps, safest place to buy weed in Mexico is at the university.

There are a lot of dutch businesses in Mexico.
A lot agricultural and they are doing very very well. Growth of 30% or more per year.

Europeans love to tax everything. LOL, I deal with that all too much.

The answer isn't taxes -- it's free global trade. Best product at the lowest price. National security can be preserved with limited subsidy to critical industries for domestic product only. However, consumers should be able to find the most competitive products or services globally. If you want quality -- pay for it -- buy USA or Western Europe if you see the quality -- don't buy domestic if it's the same shit you can get from Asia for 1/2 the price to support some failing political policy.

The USA invented the assembly line and much of modern production technology -- we can take the next step or the Chinese will beat us to it.

Your borders can transverse products and services or hostile armies -- which do you prefer? Trade wars start real wars historically -- the Great Depression and WW2 is proof enough.

nice to see a group of people that called the election all wrong pat each other on the back for being so smart.

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You have a very simple mind.

The election is over. We're talking about the national deficit and spending with no way to pay back.

Clearly your mind isn't capable of contributing anything useful other than the constant reminder you're stuck in the past.

#51 Trump Nation :thumbsup

Cool you're useless in contributing to the conversation as well.

We'll assume then, as a businessman, that you are in debt with no way to pay and probably close to bankruptcy ( or at least one under your belt ) since you support going into debt building a fence with no way to pay back :thumbsup #TeamAmerica :1orglaugh

How do you do it? You need a late night infomercial...



Don't resist the Democuck is strong in you. I've probably spent more on Amazon this week than you've made all week. :thumbsup

Isn't it awesome to see one side acting just like other one did 8 years ago :sadcrying

Or 16 years ago...

Or 20 years ago...

The pendulum swings a bit farther to the left or the right with each cycle.

As long as we keep blindly voting for the same two parties over and over we will continue to have the government we deserve. :upsidedow

I doubt it. I doubt you even voted. I doubt you because you can't give normal input on a deficit conversation.

Your mind is stuck on ideaology and an election that ended last year. You have no concept of governing and that insight shows us you have a shallow concept of business, if any at all.

You can be a dick and insult me over and over again I'll just block you if you have no depth and just brag & insult. The Joshua G runs deep in you :thumbsup

That's kind of how it works but part of the reason I didn't vote Republican this election is because Bush was a spender.

Trump showed signs of being a big spender as well and that was a big turn off. The wall a huge public works program, etc.

The conservative movement has transitioned to Democrats, if you don't believe that then where is the conservative movement?

Send EVERY Trump Voter a bill for $150.00 to start work

Yeah, the check is in the mail ...

I think that's a great idea, crowd fund it!

I put my money in for Stein to do the recounts . Crowd fund projects and if they don't make the goal they don't get funded.:thumbsup

The wall isn't the solution it's just a simple representation of the problem.

Here in California we've put in 4 bills over the last 8 years to fortify the border and increase border patrol officers (feet on the ground is the solution). The Republican congress rejected every bill!

The last bill approved was in 2006 and it had no teeth The Secure Fence Act of 2006 we asked for $5 billion then and Bush only gave $1.2.

It took 3 years to put up 613 miles of fence and we needed 300 miles more , the Republican congress refused to finish funding and building stopped. We pay about $5 Billion a year on border security here in California. The Secure Fence Act of 2006 wiki is a good read and primer on what we're really dealing with regarding the DT wall project.

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I bet this guy is proud.. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

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Not sure if a Trump supporter would understand this but we have a free trade deal with Mexico. We can't just add taxes however the new president wants.

Do you realize it's US consumers who pay the increased tariff? The tariff costs get built into the US sales price of whatever the item is. So no, raising tariffs on Mexican imports does NOT make Mexico pay for the wall.

One Mans Tax Break is Many Other Men's Tax Burden
(including their children)

What if.. Trump doesn't really want to add a VAT but instead wants Canada and Mexico to end theirs? It's not really free trade when 2 of the 3 traders aren't playing by the same rules. If the threat of a US VAT is on the table all trading partners are tripping over each other for renegotiation..

The US has State Sales Tax
Canada has a GST
Mexico has a VAT

The only differences is in the rates.

There may be a US national VAT soon to replace Social Security Payroll Taxes I read in an opinion article at Forbes. This would be great for business as they would get payroll tax relief and probably won't raise wages unless they have to -- pocketing the difference as profit.
Repealing the ACA (Obamacare) will cost $350 billion over the next 10 years maybe this new VAT will pay that too. It could pay for the wall too :1orglaugh
VAT is a consumption tax -- lower and medium wage earners spend the most in consumer consumption. Higher prices, caused by new tariffs and a possible VAT tax means less value for the money available to spend. Most of the proposed income tax cuts go to the top 20% income group. So, all is good if you net over $200K/yr ...

PBBC owns this post.

They have GST in Australia and I loved it! Tax time was so easy too, no IRS.

Lets hope they gut the IRS and goto flat tax of 4.75% for everyone, impose GST and switch Obamacare over to single payer as an extension of medicare. So much easier and cost effective!

I think we are talking a 20% -25% VAT to pay for national single payer healthcare and social security.
Then a flat 10% to 15% income tax to pay for the rest of federal current spending.

Most of you won't save money. I am assuming rents, food, securities and real estate sales will be exempt from this VAT.

PBBC are a bunch of losers making little money anyway so this won't affect them :2 cents:

GST and VAT are national level taxes. State sales taxes are local level sales taxes. Not all states have a sales tax. They aren't the same thing.

Canadian goods can have GST, PST, and HST added -- Who the fuck cares-- it's consumption taxes.

Whatever -- consumption tax is consumption tax. That is part of, or added, to the price goods you buy. WTF do I care what division of government gets the money?

In the USA gasoline it taxed at federal and state level ... WTF is the difference -- you pay the tax on the 'goods' -- fuel in this case -- and that is all that matters.

Lame ass argument as usual :2 cents:

I'm all for a consumption tax myself. Hopefully that's what happens and that's the way it should be.

But, the argument isn't at all lame. All goods entering Mexico and Canada are immediately taxed via GST and VAT. That doesn't happen in the US. My business is selling business equipment. I get contacted by business owners in Canada and Mexico often but we can never do business because once it's all said and done it becomes too costly to get it across the boarder. I don't even bother trying anymore because I already know the end result. I've only successfully conducted one transaction with someone in Mexico. The only way that deal happened was him having to enter into the US and wire me the funds because Mexico makes it nearly impossible to send funds into the US. And then he had to pick up the machine in the US and transport it in himself.

Consumption tax is a sovereign issue. Trade Tariffs are a separate subject.

Business equipment is an ITC in Canada like it is in the EU -- any VAT paid is refunded by the tax authority.

Mexican businesses pay VAT on business equipment made and sold in Mexico.

You are just parroting a lame Trump argument.

No I'm parroting from experience. As far as Canada and being refunded on business equipment I don't know but it doesn't really matter. The upfront cost is enough that it makes it not make sense. Generally buyers who come to me are small business owners who for the most part are purchasing out of pocket. They generally don't have the leisure to pay more for something just so they can be refunded later. Also you ignored the part about Mexico's extreme restrictions on funds going into the US. The claim is it's drug money laundering laws. But the problem there is the drug money flows back into Mexico not the other way around... I can send money into Mexico all day long.

The point is both Mexico and Canada businesses have an advantage over US businesses in this so called "free trade" agreement. Nearly all current trade agreements are essentially anti-US agreements.

So, basically, you admit that all the latest US president, after WW2 , were incomptetent ?

Trump wants to renegotiate NAFTA. He could do it.

Imported goods, if they are ever imported, will cost 30% more.

We can have all the jobs back.

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Just a couple of things here that need further explanation.
All of the jobs created in Mexico by NAFTA help keep Mexican immigration down. They include more investment from Japan and China than the US.
Those industry's that have moved there will pull out and go to other 3rd world country's where labor is cheap and other trade agreements reduce costs of shipping goods to the US.

Wall-Mart was the largest promoter of NAFTA and no secrete that they had a cozy relationship with the Clinton's (being from their home state) as well as the Republican's.

They continued to push for even faster and cheaper ways to take advantage of this trade deal by promoting legislation to create a super highway to distribute goods entering the country from Mexico on your tax dollar.
That legislation will re-surface under Trump no matter his talk about NAFTA. These trade issues are much bigger than a President and a handful of Congressmen as BILLIONS of dollars are at stake for someone.

If anyone of either party really thinks that any of it is going to benefit them, they are fooling themselves.
By the time they put words to their deeds in some sub-committee in Congress, the legislation will have language that does completely the opposite of what was intended, bought and paid for by Corporate Interest.

Those that think a VAT tax will be fair to them have not seen the language that will be used to know that. The heart of that is who is exempted for what.

At the state level, I watched as tax break after tax break was issued and my sales tax go up. So it's a matter of who exactly is paying the tax. Business does not pay sales tax and if they do, it is directly written off. Just a example.

Don't wish for anything unless you are willing to see it through with the right wording to mean what you intend. Because that is bought and paid for by others who seem to have more FREE SPEECH (money) than you, while you are not looking.

We the tax payers pay for a lot of things that make doing business in the US so profitable for so many that do not even want to pay for those benefits we provide. All this and more to have a JOB !

...I owe my sole to the company store...
Find out why the song "16 Tons" is coming true once again.
It just has different names and faces that manage to keep everyone pointing fingers at each other. It's all just a magic trick and most fall for it every-time.
Some need a real history lesson before history is re-written to hide the facts.

We'll actually be paying for the wall twice.

The first time when we pay upfront from the treasury.

The second time when we pay more for Mexican goods, via raised tarrifs, to pay the treasury back

#ThanksDonald :thumbsup

Yes, Mexico will tell him their payment terms are Net2000.