Your condescending attitude proves that by me claiming a very vague open statement about traffic brokers means you must be feeling insecure or something. I dunno man but I wish you luck.

First of all LOL at Paul not knowing what a media buyer is...

As for affiliates, in the past an affiliate (publisher) hand picked a few sponsors (paysites) that he thought would convert well on his site and put up some banners and started to make money. If a new site was released or one of the ones he was using stopped converting he changed around some sites/banners. It was making good money so he didn't care that probably about 75% of his traffic was wasted, eg the majority of his traffic could make a lot more if it was sent elsewhere based on the user's profile (GEO, Device, etc). The rest of affiliates back then were mainly FHG submitters and some SEO guys.

Most adult affiliates at that time were people that got lucky at some point but did not have much business sense, they just made easy money and didn't care much about anything else while slowly the industry changed; smarter people came around, the internet grew quickly, connections got better, users got more demanding/picky, and instead of innovating and adapting they stuck with their old fashioned sites complaining about too much free content and bad ratios.

At the same time adult traffic networks came along and for the affiliates that still had traffic it made a lot more sense to put an iframe from a traffic network than an individual banner for a individual paysite site. The traffic networks made the affiliates more money again, because they fully optimize the traffic, something the affiliates didn't know how to do. Like for example why would you send a user on a mobile phone from India to a paysite where the chance he signs up is almost zero while if you send him to a one click direct carrier biller offer you can easily get a few bucks out of him.

So most of the old school affiliates that survived are now just publishers for the adult networks. There are probably not many publishers left that have high traffic sites that promote individual paysites, unless they are working in very specific niches.

So adult affiliates these days are not the same as what affiliates were in the past, now it's mainly media buyers and then some tube submitters, SEO guys, review/discount sites, top list sites, etc.

The good thing is I know what an ad space/traffic buyer does. Knowing the latest handle for the job isn't that important.

Traffic buying for affiliates isn't going to last long. As big companies realise most affiliates don't have the skills to warrant their percentage. And most affiliates can't afford to buy traffic from a broker on an affiliates percentile. The other problem is the number of huge sites that will deal directly with the big companies purchasing department. Buying via brokers will become a smaller business.

This is what happens in most businesses and unless site owners can offer surfers something that makes people return to a boutique website. Traffic will decline. In porn there's another element, companies following Youtube and Facebook and saying no to porn. We know this because of the weeping every time someone like Pinterest, Tumblr type sites ban porn.

Another problem for porn is we know that Tube traffic is for people wanking off. They wank and leave, the CTR is awful, the conversion is worse. which is why traffic can be bought cheap and still not convert. If products like Thommy suggested converted on Tube sites, the big companies would deal directly without the need for a broker. Even Barry knows camsites have problems buying traffic from Tube sites.

If they could convert that traffic and produce an average cam customer of it, they could afford to flood Tubes with adverts. One only has to look to see what is regularly advertised to see where the money is from porn traffic.

The present/future for affiliates is to produce quality sites and videos. Site/videos that people want to return to over and over again.

For instance, someone with my skills and personality could open a site showing people how to shoot erotic pictures/videos of their partner. Keep it soft enough and fun to get it on YT, Vimeo, FB etc. As well as my own site.

The days of throwing mud at the wall are coming to an end. Or have they already ended?

The big companies don't deal with you. Which is why you won't last. An affiliate can't compete on his small percentage with companies buying direct. Companies takes a cut on traffic an affiliate buys.

You know zero about marketing in the real world.

TV ad space is at a premium when it's in the middle of a program, try that in porn and see how it works. Then there are subscription channels who are now big players.

How many Tube sites do you advertise on?

Ad Blockers will kill Tubes long before they run out of porn. A new scene to a consumer is a scene they have never seen before.

So affiliates can afford to buy traffic on their percentile and still make money selling porn? That won't last long as big companies outbid them for ad space.

The future for all of the porn industry relies on companies promoting ad blockers to the level that makes Tubes lose money. And any other form of free porn paid for by advertising. Then we go back to selling porn, instead of giving it away to scrape pennies off 1,000s of surfers.

You mentioned TV, not me. TVs are completely different environment, COPLETELY. They have credibility and they attract BROAD spectrum of users, all age categories, all religions, both genders, not just horny dudes in the age range 20-45 !!!


see above, clown



You really wrote all that just to tell me the difference between CPC and CPM? Like I did not know that.. How exactly does that change the fact that most of those advertisers are fraudsters , liars and thieves?


Do they promote paysites without hidden xsales and other fishy tactics? Can't really imagine how would they survive paying 30c per click selling $30 memberships... oh yeah, they all convert 1:50 like in the good old days, aren't they? :1orglaugh

Mr. GoldBar think about regular updates

100% agree

greetings

thommy

hahahaaaaa - that was the fucking best idea i heard up to now.

and i am pretty sure YOU wil know how to find the good old customers on the graveyard.

my dear god how ignorant can humans be .....

what i really love in this business is that mass of ignorants because that makes it so fucking easy to make money.

it is really not that i wanted to change your mind - i just wanted to show you that there is also another view on things as to sit at home and being mad with the world because success went other ways.

but if you prefer to suffer - suffer - i don´t do it !

the music industry did so many years the same as you and lost billions. now they start to wake up and i think the guys from 15 years ago sitting at home and doubt, that this money is real.

greetings

thommy

What you say is fucking retarded. Like it's that easy to get millions of hits without doing any work and just redirect it somewhere.

Go spam your shit elsewhere.

I know the more people using Ad Blockers, the more you suffer. But affiliates would go back to making money like they used to.

In my time online I've seen ratios go from 1-50 to 1-50,000. Because traffic selling/buying funds enough free porn to kills the reason to buy for millions.

All you can do is call people names and nothing else.

Relating porn to the music industry is another fail on your part. But keep talking up selling traffic. Most people here know the truth.

They would also lose more $$$ when you fuck them in the ass, so instead of testing and losing $100 on your shit-trafffic-click-bot network, they lose $10,000

Go fuck yourself.

Wrong.

If i have high traffic site, i would make more money optimizing the ads myself, instead of blindly sending it to shit networks who send your traffic god knowы where, steal from you, and pay you $0.1 on a dollar.

There is a reason a new "traffic broker network" pops up every week. They fuck affiliates in the ass and make huge money on it by stealing quality traffic and selling shit traffic. Optimize your own traffic and be in control, it doesn't take a rocket scientist.

Paul you are a former Troll of the Year winner and out of business now for years.

You have no affiliates we have a few thousand active affiliates.

You know fuck all that interests me.

You wanted attention -- you got it.

Impossible, there is no way you can do this yourself and make more than a network like for example Exo or TJ can make you. They have 100s of advertisers all targeting different GEOs, devices, keywords, etc. There is no way you can do that yourself.

I do agree, there are lots of shady advertisers/offers and the networks might take some cuts here and there, and that's not a good thing, but looking purely at earnings per impression there is 100% no way you can manually/internally make what an ad network would make you.

Don't bother talking sense into Paul, he lives in a different reality.
He is either a very very good Troll or he is really believing in the things he says.
Check his sig lol he's promoting an ad network....

All their ads get adblocked, mine don't.

My own ads also don't ban me in google for hijacking peoples browsers (the ad networks can't control it).

I also did tests and my own ad rotations or direct ad-spot sales bring way more money than shitty iframe ad networks.

So thanks, but no thanks.

why you say ALL ?
did you test ALL ?

my publishers haven´t been blocked from google yet and i NEVER had a hijack-idiot on my network. and you know why? because i know my advertisers since years and years and i am very picky with every new one.

but anyway you have your experience and i have mine and i pay a lot of publishers 3 times more money per month as they made before AND without cheating on them.

but i know that you know ALL and have tried everything. i think when i started this biz you was still in school and maybe it would be better if you would stay there a few years longer just to learn, that you can not know ALL.

greetings

thommy

Yeah i'll stay in school and stick to my own generated traffic and hand targeted ads, thanks for the tip :1orglaugh

http://i.imgur.com/L5ELgMR.png

nice stats and you do that already a few days. but believe me if you take the reccurings out your cvr results are low middleclass.
so i think you do NOT know all :-)

but all in all it is not bad what you are doing.

greetings

thommy

I've been doing this for the last 12 years. But it was more and easier back in the day.

Anyway, it's more than i can spend so i don't complain.

Ask Paul
 

The only reason why ad networks and media byer
 

make more money than affialites.

Is beause the networks own the programms and payment systems.

Best regards

Those are from his own product with a trial price point. The recurrings are kind of his income....

from what you've wrote in this thread, I truly believe you have a mountain of knowledge from the past to the now. Which is very benefecial to notice the changes, but also with Advertising as well as you say.

I recommend others take our advice here as well. Seriously "get" to know them and how they distribute their traffic...if they start blockin you, tell them you'll quit advertising then.. sometimes works...sometimes doesnt.... but basic sense here : never go for what programs that their initially pushing...their trying to get their top dollar off you....and making u look like a fool in the process....sending you junk traffic. Be legit, be straitup , and question EVERY single visitor if things don't look right. Find the section where u can block / restrict certain types of ads...make sure their very thorough, if not....leave the place. keep asking questions when u don't understand something fully as well.

When you lack a decent argument, why do you resort to insults?

Everyone knows the porn industry is in decline. It's replaced the $billions made from recorded porn to promoting Cam Sites and Dating. Both of which are under threat from adapting to ways of reducing reliance on affiliates.

Google Expert points out the reason why. Going direct is more profitable than going via middle men.

Anyone with skills to build up a lot of traffic doesn't need middle men.

It relies on ratios and cuts the brokers take.

GE isn't looking for 100s of advertisers all targeting different GEOs. He's looking for what's best for his traffic. I'm sure he's able to look after Devices and Key Words without a broker.

To talk me around to your POV, you have to come up with a good argument.

Money talks Bullshit walks.

Affiliates including GE have a price per 1,000 on what their traffic makes. If you can do better, state a price that you will pay.

My Ad Blocker blocks most ads, so anyone who claims they can beat them is bullshitting. However, if they want to show us proof they can beat Ad Blockers, they need to put up or shut up.