Yeah you do. You have no choice. No offense but you litterally can do nothing about it.

Yes we do have a choice and there is a LOT we can do about it

You would have to be an idiot to believe a dishonest person ...

let me guess; you believed him.

I have constantly spoken out my support for the citizens in the US who said 'fuck you' to the MSM and the presidential establishment dynasties by not voting the same crooked family in, and even have an avatar of the next president of the United States.

You hate your next president, criticize the people who have voted for him thus support the war mongering alternative sending Americans to their deaths, support surveillance agencies spying and breaching the privacy of your fellow citizens, think making nuclear force Russia an enemy rather than an ally is somehow a better option (wtf), and think foreigners (to you) should not discuss politics (the US election) affecting the whole world.

Sounds to me you really hate citizens not only from your country, but from the whole world, and love big government war mongers.

Trump is a war monger. Who told you different?

Trump is already scoping out next move for NATO on Russia border and increasing troops in Syria.

You must not have seen Trumps latest TV interview last night, he's pulling back on Putin love too.

How in gods name is trump a war monger??:1orglaugh

Watch his interview from last night :thumbsup

I think he's realised its not a game anymore and he's actually going to POTDS

Hillary is the war monger

Who is Trump going to war against?

I've already stated that in this thread

Assange gets information and releases it...again how is that "bad"? Am I missing something?

Here we go again. Google is just at your fingertips. I remember it because I watch the news all the time and read.

I'll just pick the New York Times. Super liberal. Hate Assange now because of Trump.

But here's a few articles from the past:

The Danger of Suppressing the Leaks - The New York Times.

Soldier?s Lawyers Rest Case With a Defense of WikiLeaks? Journalistic Role - The New York Times.

WikiLeaks and the Global Future of Free Speech - The New York Times.

Letters: The Boy Who Kicked the Hornet?s Nest - The New York Times.

I can go on and on and on just on The New York Times alone.
But that was all before he had the audacity to reveal the dirty tricks of the Clinton Campaign in taking out Bernie Sanders.

You know I like you Rochard. But you have REALLY got to start using Google before making all these statements.

1. I don't think anyone is a "follower" of Julian Assange like he was Jesus or something.
I believe that people can see journalistic whistle blowing and make up their own minds on the material that they are reading without being some kind of "follower"

2. I'm not familiar with Clinton cartoons on wikileaks. I've never even been to the page. Just watched the reports on them on the various news channels. So I can't comment on any derogatory cartoons.

I can only tell you the FACTS that Assange exposed the Bush administration. Sean Hannity called him evil and vile and a criminal. The liberal press called him a "hero" (including Maher).

THEN he exposed the Clinton campaign.
Hannity IMMEDIATELY started praising him and the liberal press started attacking him.

You tell me...do ANY of these politicians, news entertainers, newspapers, and Hollywood stars have ANY real foundations or beliefs?

I don't think they do. It's all "team sports" to them.
If it's Republican, then Democrats HATE it.
If it's Democrat, then Republicans HATE it.

I believe that the country would be a better place if we could all take each issue and judge it on it's own merit.

If a media outlet or politician or Hollywood star thought that Assange was a hero for shining a light on political wrongdoing in the past...that concept of revealing the truth should not change when he does it again.

You have already said you NEVER liked that concept.
Fair enough.
I'm simply pointing out that the politicians, the media, the celebrities are all showing their total and complete hypocrisy and shallowness over everything to do with President Trump.
And they did the exact same thing with President Obama. And Bush. And Pres. Clinton. And Reagan.
And probably every other President since the end of WW2

It's getting to a point now that it's getting so bad that it's dividing the entire nation. That isn't a good thing.

We need to be able to debate subjects intelligently.
And how can we if nobody is really sure what is "good" anymore?

You clearly haven't a single clue about economics.

Absent of the state, people would still have demands. Such demands would include things like:

• The internet
• Mobile communication
• Protection
• Safety in their food
• 1 million, other demands that could be listed..

And econ101: Where there's a demand, there WILL BE A SUPPLY.

When people are able to freely compete with each other, people will do whatever it takes to produce a supply, because of the reward.

People who demand things, buddy, are willing to pay for them.

This is the market.

The only thing the state does is hinder the market and make competition more difficult to exist in the form of taxation, regulations and other such laws like prohibition.

I argue that in the absence of the state, technology and all of the things you like to attribute to the government, would likely be outdated by now and we'd be much further advanced.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Obama did not let do that just to get the Wiki guy. Probably had nothing to do with that. They would have wanted him to turn himself in first and a tweet or however he said it is not going to be enough for a deal like that anyway LOL

You can hypothesize all you like but in reality the government created the internet via their DARPA initiative.

As I said, if it wasn't for the government you wouldn't be making money online. The facts are the facts. You can't argue facts.

Humans are mammals. Mammals are social creatures. All mammals create societies in nature. Hierarchy exists in every mammalian society. Anarchy is a myth perpetrated by Putin/Assange/Snowden fanboys.

You will not find one anarchist without a boner for Putin :thumbsup

good old Rochard, continue, go on please :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

could be, could be....

how is he pro Russia or pro China and antiamerican ? he is just pro his agenda which - in his opinion - is common sense and solution for the current world problems.
I dont see here any anti-american antipathies or likes for chinese or russians.
whoever says something bad about US is automatically proRussia, whoever says something bad about Israel is automatically pro- Arab, blabla...its bullshit of short sighted people

The Russians didn't hack the DNC. Podesta clicked on a damn fishing link. It was leaked to wikileaks

Assange would be tried for espionage.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/798
10 years fed time

That considered, a §2257 beef could get you 5 years -- that's pretty fucked up in severity ...

https://mises.org/library/government...de-it-glorious

And the government makes roads too...If we didn't have a government no one would be able to make roads! It's so difficult :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Yep, like I said the government's DARPA program created the internet.

You're not too smart to deny facts :2 cents:

Educate yourself

And the same thing with roads man! No one would have figured it out! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

As I understand it...the govt. paid a private company to make the mainframes of a group of computers interact with each other.
Real, real primitive stuff that is nothing compared to today's technology.

But yeah, the govt. (and probably really the military) reach out for new technology all the time.
They do not create it though.

That is brought about by individuals outside of govt.

And of course the internet we see today and how it works in every way (other than that very first primitive networking between 4 computer main frames) is ALL private companies doing things as the market demands it.

In one way...yes, you can say that MAYBE private industry might have never found a need to have computers communicate (I somehow find that a bit of a stretch), so the Govt. handing out our taxpayer money to a private company was the beginning.

But that would kind of be like giving credit to the first caveman who invented the wheel, and then comparing it to a modern technical marvel of tires like a Pirelli P Zero.

Yeah, the caveman got the wheels turning (pun intended)...but where the market took it from there and advanced it, is what is the most impressive.

Right. The government created the internet. Facts aren't negotiable.

Anarchy is a myth with mammals, we instinctially build societies with hierarchies, in humans that creates monarchies and governments. Another fact.

Jesus christ man we get it! You love the government. Most rational people despise the government, it's a fucking joke!

The internet would be 100 times better if invented by private companies from the start

No, the govt. paid a private company to make 4 computer mainframes communicate. And that company creating that technology led to other companies creating more new technology that you use today on what we call the internet. That IS fact.
And I agree with you about the need for govt.
But I have eyes to see and it's plain to me that govt has gotten too big and too obtrusive. It needs to be dialed back a bit.

The government is needed because of all the low IQ people walking around. It is out of control at the moment tho

I don't agree with that first part.
Govt. is needed for society to advance. But history shows that it can also make us go backwards (the dark ages) when it gets too controlling of our lives.

I can't say that I agree with you on being an anarchist.
But I believe in as much personal freedom and as little govt involvement as possible for a free society to function

I took the time to embed a history channel youtube video about the creation & evolution of the internet. Facts aren't negotiable. The government created the internet, even Republicans agree.

How the fuck does government make society advance? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Everything the government touches turns to shit...the roads, schools, airports, DMV, etc. Everything is outdated with big lines and morons running it. Terrible

No, they didn't

The government is not an entity...it is made up of individuals

@bladewire:
Ok, so you deny that a private company was paid to make 4 computer mainframes communicate...and that is the beginning technology that led to what we now call the internet.

You just flat out deny it?
Even with Google right there at your fingertips?

Okay. Strange, but I don't have any reason or desire to argue with you about this.
Go right ahead and believe as you will. It's of little consequence to either of us and not worth getting upset with each other.

I wasn't referring to today's govt specifically. But rather the concept of organization that govt is supposed to be. Not the current monstrosity it has become.

The government created the internet. DARPA , for the military and to protect America's communication during times of war.

Why does this fact bother you? I don't get it.

It'll never work...

You are twisting words.
I told you in my original remark that yes ..the govt. (military) paid a private company to makensure those 4 computers communicate and that technology would eventually advance on the market to the internet we have now.

So why does that bother you?

The govt doesn't make any of its own stuff. It contracts out to companies to build things for it.

Bladewire is propagandized to believe government is good, is god and does everything!