The increased costs will decline as Automation kicks in. The upside it more Westerners will have jobs to earn enough to come off benefits and start contributing. I see your greed POV, think long term as more people lose jobs and buy less anyway.

Will those plants be in the West or the East?

So Thailand will be hit very hard. I can see why you're for exporting cheap goods now. I'm worried about us in the West.

If one person in China is making $1million, 100 workers in the West are unemployed. If one person in the West is making $1million. His company is paying a lot more in taxes than a company in Thailand to the US economy. My argument is all about where the companies are located and to what country they contribute.

That's because most live in what the West considers as poverty. And a different culture. You want those people in debt to risk losing their jobs.

It will be too late then. I suspect voters will just vote for Far Right Governments.

No you care only about workers in the Third world.

Stupid statement. Think it through to, who decides who can vote.

Tell us where I'm wrong.

I suggest you have no answer and resort to abuse.

i can´t see the point in that. USA was the inventor of buy cheaper get more. how shall that work if you do not use the advantages of a market.
HOW can people get POORER whan they pay less? explain me that!

if a market have technology better than others - they should do this job - if a market have the ressources THEY should do this part - if another market have cheap labour it is perfect for all of them that a product is produced from perfect circumstances the cheapest way. that´s what i call prosperity.

why can you buy today a TV every month if you want? because it is done this way!

if it is the way you think you have to decide to buy all 5 years a TV or a new washingmashine - but both of it will not work.

WHAT is properity?
Is it that people make a lot of money but the goods are so expensive that they can not buy them?
or is prosperity that you can buy as much as possible in exchange to your working time?

that´s the same as we discussed in the other thread, paul.
prosperity success and growing can only exsit when you are chosing the most optimal circumstances stick them together and let everybody do what he can do best.
then you do not need any rules bacuse that would work simply alone because it is already the perfect solution.

a country like china is doing nothing else than all other countries in the world are doing - they are using their own advantages to competite.
they competite with cheap workers other countries are doing it with intelligent engeneering and again others do it with smart marketing.

if you do not want that, than you are actually more chinese than the chinese themself, because only communism have the idea that everyone is working the same, earning the same and living the same - so matter if he is good or not in what he is doing.

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thommy

ahhh i see - longterm they lose the jobs with that and buy less - very interessting concept.

Thailand will stand it - as they did many thousand years already.
but they will stand it because the biggest part of the world understood the importance of world economy - so they will still have a lot of partners and getting more.

what an idioty - you mean that the costs of 100 WET workers should go on top of the price ???
did you ever think that far that this will not only ruin the production jobs - have you ever thought on the sale jobs?

what you are exepting is not possible and not logic.

well paul - i think you are old enough to remember the 50s and the 60s. look in an average houshold no and tell me if we live better or worde than then.

wrong - i care the world and do not stick one country in the first position.

all in all i do not know what you are talking about because what you complaining here is what you did your whole life.
you are from UK but you went to CZ to produce there because girls where cheaper and maybe better (what is ok).
after that you sold all your content to the whole world and gave a shit if there is another producer in your customers country.

why did you not produce in UK and gave work to to people there?

you are promoting water but you drink the wine.

your problem is, that others did that even much smarter than you and find even cheaper and easier ways to do what you did and you hate them for it because they are better.

you hate all and everything around you and i do not know why - you had a good life even when you did not live it the way you advise for others.

your idea of world economy ends on your housedoor. you do either have a clue of it nor you care what happens with the rest of the world. that´s called egoism and that was never a good idea for a good relationship.

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thommy

You are correct with a lot of your regurgitated facts, however, you are leaving out the small minor part of the cost of doing business in the US. The taxes, federal and state, the regulations and restrictions, the restrictions on mining, possession of, the fees and restitutions for obtaining the raw materials needed and to 'help' repair the local environments from where they were obtained. And that's just the government's greedy hands out.

Then come the workplace and the employees. You need a place to make your goods or to work like an office depending on your business. This place will need annual and often inspections along with things like electricity, phone service, the Internet, and many other things, again based on the type of business. And the employees, labor laws, unions and more. You can't employ children and no slave labor wages along with restrictions on minimum pay and maximum hrs work. There are no workers here for pennies on the dollar. Plus medical insurance, unemployment insurance and more.

Don't forget the legal fees... I don't think anything needs to be explained here unless you aren't familiar with the US legal system and the millions of frivolous lawsuits filed daily.

I'm sure there are many more business expenses for US-based operations, but all of the above should help to point you in the right direction on things you have no clue about in reality starting with the difference between 20% profit and 700% profit.

Compared to the rest of the word -- the USA is one of the easiest places to start a new business. That is why so many wealthy and talent people want to immigrate here.

The USA is also one of the easiest places to get a job other than a slave labor position in North Korea.

If you employ people you either do it responsibly or like a slimeball -- your choice.

you are totally correct - but paul also forgets another thing because he is just standing on a fixed point and do not look even 1 minute in the future.

he is complaining that 1000 workers from china is killing 100 US-jos what is in some case true because of what you have mentioned.

BUT !!!!!!

if a product can be produced on a price where it have a much bigger group of buyers in the same time there are 1000 sales man jobs born. so it is just lose (or not lose because paying more than nessecary is a lose) on what THEY can do better and win on what americans can do better

when internet came up everyone in the world was afraid that it will kill jobs. and YES it did but it made so many new ones that this is more than balanced.

there is one important law of nature what we can never beat and what makes whatever we do (also in markets) just up to a point controlable. this law of nature sais that there can not be a mountain if there is no dale and water can´t go only up to the clouds - it have to fall back. if you try to stop this circulation at one point you will fail.

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thommy

Fake news.

so all these businesses would & will charge more for their product if Trump changes the importing & exporting, which in turn creates the negative effect to any country. Higher prices, less purchases, less profits & less taxes...

that´s 100% at the point but only logic for people with more than 1,5 brain cells and a bit more knowledge about world economy than a cockroach.

but just do a test and post here

hillary clinton announced 1+1=2

and you will read: FAKE NEWS !!!!!!!

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thommy