Why is this even debated/discussed/studied? of course illegal immigrants voted for Hillary... in some states there are zero safeguards to prevent it, so why wouldn't they? The only question is if it was 3M, 5M or 10M... but does that even matter?

the discussion should be what we could do put in some safeguards to prevent it in the future, and the answer to that problem however is pretty obvious... oddly enough though democrats seem to oppose ANY changes to tighten up the security of the election process, they call it "voter suppression", I wonder why? :error

Who are the cheaters on Trumps side?

You protray cheaters as only cheating for Hillary.

Cheaters for Hillary wouldn't waste a cheat on California where she was gonna win anyway, they would cheat where it would benefit her. Common sense

Oh, and as a voter in California this is how voting works:

1) goto your assigned voting precinct

2) the man at the desk asks your name and address

3) he opens the ledger, finds your name and marks you off as voting

4) goto the 2nd person behind the desk and get your assigned number

5) goto the electronic voting booth, input your assigned number, and vote!

A voting cheater would have to know:

1) The address of a registered voter

2) The voters precinct voting location

3) Know that the voter hadn't voted yet.

If even 1000 cheaters had tried, statistically many of them would have been caught and charged with voter fraud. Voting monitors from both parties are their specifically to catch cheaters.

Another red hat accepting a tabloid news site hook line and sinker because it's what he wants to hear.

Jesus fuck you guys are stupid. Tje best part is you guys are so dumb you think the article is from the Washington post. You are some of the most gullible people I've ever seen.

it's not really relevant who the "cheaters" voted for... what matters is that they exist, and we should be discussing what we could do to tighten up security of the election process... for example, by requiring IDs and proving citizenship, like is done in every other country in the world...

why do democrats oppose such a simple change? why do they call it "voter suppression"? it's called voter suppression, because those who are not citizens, would be "suppressed" from voting... :error

You just said the cheaters voted for Hillary.

You didn't say the cheaters voted for Trump.

You brought up who you think cheated, and who they voted for, so it does matter to you. Just be honest.

I am for voter ID, I've said that many times here. I'm a Democrat.

Why do you try to paint all Democrats as far left liberals, which are only 10% of the Democratic party? Intelectually lazy

Gerrymandering is voter suppression, and impacts all voters.

Why? Because Trump is only worried about looking for fraud in states Hillary won. Want to look for fraud in every state then I'm all for it. However that's not what he's trying to do.

His ego can't accept he lost the popular vote, this is why he's crying fraud.

Again, you are not well informed, you just accept everything that sounds good to you, hook line and sinker.

Want to look at fraud in every state I'm all for it and while we are at it, we can investigate how gerrymandering defrauds voters of their voice.

Notice red hats are always scared to investigate gerrymandering?

LOL look how butt-hurt the dumb libs are in this thread. now that they cant say hilary won the popular vote anymore thanks to illegals...

hahahahahahaaaaaa :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

We can always count on JoushaMo to be the most irrelevant poster in any given topic. Johny Dipshit is however giving him a run for his money.

your so dumb...you dont know everyone at GFY can search your posts, & see how dumb you are.

here is a message, from a black trump supporter.



:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Everytime you quote him I have to see his stupideness :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

50 voters fraud ......

Rumor is also that over 800K illegals attended Trump inauguration .....

I feel the same way every time someone quotes JohnyClips.. I normally ignore JoushaMo because he's proven himself to be useless, but sometimes It's just too much to not pick(on) the low hanging fruit..

:1orglaugh

and here we go again :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

a representative democracy is still a democracy you idiot :1orglaugh

trump was democratically elected

/end thread

:1orglaugh

I just read an article that says this number came from a report that discover three million legal residents didn't understand the question correctly and listed themselves improperly as a "non resident".

While we have no idea how Phillips arrived at his claim that 3-million noncitizens voted, people who have made similar claims in the past have cited a 2014 report that claims 6.4 percent of non-citizens voted in 2008 and 2.2 percent of non-citizens voted in 2010 midterm congressional elections.

That report was based on data from a Harvard survey of people. But the data was flawed, which created flaws in the subsequent report.

The authors of the survey say a small percentage of respondents, who are citizens, accidentally misidentified themselves as noncitizens on the survey. This is because the respondents didn?t read the question carefully and accidentally selected the wrong response to the question.

Fact-check: Did 3 million undocumented immigrants vote in this year's election? | PunditFact

It's stunning that the President of the United States spits out facts and figures without researching them first. He has the entire United States Government at his disposal - I am confident someone at the White House can research this crap for him.

Trump was appointed by 306 elites in the Electoral College and lost the vote by the American people by 3 million votes. You disagree? This is very simple.

I know you live in a Monarchy with a king and queen, but America is different, where citizens vote for a president, and no matter how many people want one to win, the electoral college can overturn the will of the people.

careful, since you live like a scarcely showering gypsy you are seen as a foreigner by bladewire, and he despises foreigners!

What a Loser!!

Trump looks like Angry Orange with a tie on and a shitty comb-over hairdo.

Trump still lost the popular vote because he is sooo unpopular!!!!!!

FACT: trump was democratically elected.

get used to it and thank the awake citizens of the US on your bare knees you're not in WWIII already, because that's a fact if Clinton the war monger was elected :thumbsup

This one is a bit trickier, but again, it's a non-story.

Three professors at Old Virginia U have looked at a study (CCES) that queried people BEFORE THEY VOTED on who they intended to vote for and then came back later to survey them about the election. The survey data HAVE NOT BEEN DELIVERED YET.

The pre-election survey (CCES Pre-Election Survey, 2016 | CCES) was released in November, and covered about 84k "likely voters." There is no mention of non-citizen voters, just unregistered voters. Is this the number our esteemed professors are looking at and extrapolating from?

I have emailed the head of the study to ask about the non-citizenship data. Hopefully there is a response coming in the media, as their research is being cited as a source without it even being released yet.
(Announcing the 2016 Cooperative Congressional Election Study | CCES)
"Schedule
The study will be fielded in October and November 2016 (pre- and post-election waves). Survey data will be delivered by March 2017, and data matched to the voter files will be delivered in July 2017."

crosscheck program eliminated over 500,000 eligible voters.

Trump has already talked about invasion and he's only 7 days into the job :thumbsup

Do you have ceremonies with the monarchy in the Netherlands? Like all citizens have to kiss the queens ring once a year? Serious question

When I travel, I shower everyday. They have these neat inventions called gyms which have national chains with locations all over the country..

Amazing $40/month and I can go to a gym pretty much anywhere.. I realize you probably live in a village were you have to walk in un-plowed snow to get your daily bread allotment, but we have it much nicer in the USA.

"eligible"? sounds to me like it eliminated 500k fraudulent votes, a good start, but I'm sure it didn't catch them all... especially considering that system checks only "duplicate" votes, and does nothing at all to check citizenship/eligibility of voters...

Fucking shitlib meltdown up in this bitch :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

so what do you do that requires you to travel like this? florida huh? sounds like your scamming trump grannys out of their retirement funds.

slippin jimmy!

:1orglaugh

This is very interesting .... but way to smart for the alternative facts crowd that resides here ....

well no one knows because they won't release the list, so it could be anything. you can pretty much guarantee that a lotof eligible voters weren't able to vote because they share a same name.

52% voted against her :2 cents:

54 % voted against him :2 cents::2 cents:

what's interesting about it? a study based on polling/surveys, asking people about their criminal activity? yea, I'm sure people's involvement in criminal activity wouldn't be under-reported at all...

"hello, may I speak to Jose Gonzalez?
... Yes, what can I help you with?
I'm from USF doing a study on voter fraud can I ask you a few questions?
... Sure
Are you a US citizen?
... hmm, kinda, hmm, well, technically no, only my cousin is... but I'm here legally, I swear!
Great, did you vote in the current election? keep in mind that voting by non-citizens is considered felony election fraud punishable by up to 10 years in prison and then instant deportation....
.... *silence*
Is that a 'No', sir?
... *incoherent mumble*
I'll mark you down as a 'No', thank you for participating, have a good day..."

yea, very interesting study, the interesting part is how did they manage to trick 6% or whatever of illegal voters to tell the truth... :1orglaugh

Three days ago it was between three million people and 30 thousand. Lol... Right wing nuts.

You just get more attractive every day.

The head of the CCES study replied to me! She says:


Thank you for your email. The organizers of the CCES addressed this topic in a piece that can be found via the link below:

The Perils of Cherry Picking Low Frequency Events in Large Sample Surveys | CCES

If you are interested in seeing the datasets, they are all published online through Dataverse; it may be easiest to begin with the links at the left-hand side of the above-linked page and search from there. Thank you again, and I hope that it helps to clarify things.

Best regards,

Liz

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That page is from 2014 and states "The example for this analysis is Richman, Chattha, and Earnest (2014), which presents a biased estimate of the rate at which non-citizens voted in recent elections. The results, we show, are completely accounted for by very low frequency measurement error; further, the likely percent of non-citizen voters in recent US elections is 0."

So, not only is the Richman study from 2014 and therefore based on a completely different election cycle than Trump's, it is biased and incorrect.

Yet again, this story is FALSE and MISLEADING: Hillary Clinton received 800,000 votes from noncitizens, bolsters Trump argument, study finds - Washington Times

Do your fucking homework before trying to pull one over on the public. Jesus.

Do you think people tend to under-report, over-report, or accurately report criminal activity during polls? Do you think that effect would be lower or greater when faced with "high stakes" questions, like voter fraud, which is a deportable offense?

Why lie?

This is why polls are anonymous. They are used to collect statistics, not information on individuals. There are also margins of error taken into account that allow for lying/misunderstanding questions/mistake answers/errors in reporting. That's one of the first things we learned in stats class, actually.

Please read the full article for a breakdown of exactly Richman's conclusions: The Perils of Cherry Picking Low Frequency Events in Large Sample Surveys | CCES

"Importantly, the group with the lowest likelihood of classification errors consists of those who reported being non-citizens in both 2010 and 2012. In this set, 0 percent of respondents cast valid votes. That is, among the 85 respondents who reported being non-citizens in 2010 and non-citizens in 2012, there are 0 valid voters for 2010. [1]"

"Richman and colleagues offer interpretations of their results based on predicted vote rates of non-citizens and the share of that group of all voters. Their calculations incorrectly assume that the validated vote of those who reported being non-citizens each year is an unbiased estimate of actual non-citizen voting rates. Our analysis indicates that all three of those cases are nearly certainly citizen voters who are misclassified as being non-citizens. Hence, their predicted vvote rates of non-citizens in fact reflect the behavior of citizens."

"Stepping back from the immediate question of whether the CCES in fact shows a low rate of voting among non-citizens, our analysis carries a much broader lesson and caution about the analysis of big databases to study low frequency characteristics and behaviors. Very low levels of measurement error are easily tolerated in samples of 1,000 to 2,000 persons. But in very large sample surveys, classification errors in a high-frequency category can readily contaminate a lowfrequency category, such as non-citizens. As a result, researchers may draw incorrect inferences concerning the behavior of relatively rare individuals in a population when there is even a very low level of misclassification."

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I see noone is addressing the fact that the Richman paper is analysing the Obama election and not Trump's at all. His allegations of voter fraud are for the 2012 election cycle!

But Jesus is their copilot.. This "fake news" site is owned and operated by a Religious organization. I looked them up when a previous 100% bullshit story was pushed by them, and was re-posted here by the GFY Red Hats..

They actually have a real world presence in DC with a building, but these are the types of organizations brainwashing the Right Wing..

https://www.google.com/maps/place/36...!4d-76.9550326

"The Cooperative Congressional Election Study was conducted online by YouGov from October 4th to November 6th"
CCES Pre-Election Survey, 2016 | CCES

- so even if the poll was designed to be "anonymous", the poll taker has no guarantee that the poll is indeed "anonymous"... (it's relatively easy to track someone down based on ip address)

- then there are numerous "sampling biases" with the fact that the poll was "online"...
.... it's certainly not accurate statistic of the population - includes only internet users
.... it includes only those willing to participate
.... etc

let me ask you a hypothetical question...

imagine you under-reported your taxes by $100k last year by using some shady tactics that would land you in jail for 5 years if caught
a. would you go to some online "anonymous" poll to answer questions about "tax evasion"?
b. if you did, on a scale from 1 to 10, how likely do you think you would be to answer truthfully about your recent criminal activity?

So you are saying that the poll is too flawed due to its biased self-selection of respondents? In that case, Richman's study is irrelevant, since it is an erroneous conclusion that is based on a flawed and unuseable data set. So... ? If Richman is wrong and the study is wrong, then WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE FOR VOTER FRAUD?