OnWebcam lives in Tennessee and is a hard right team poster.

Anything you say will be countered with far right cut paste talking points.

He won't admit when he's caught in a lie or posting "untruths" and will repost them over and over again, he'll also belittle you with deragaotory terms because in his eyes he's superior for supporting Trump, just so you know :2 cents:

And you counter with.... Nothing....

But

"Redhat Triggered"

You're right about the temporary visitors. Yes, this data is looking at visitors, NOT people who have immigrant status.

You're claiming all those people from those countries are potential terrorists. Why do you not point at the Saudis, Indonesians, Pakistanis, etc? Those countries have had long standing problems with terrorists. In fact, most of the 9/11 attackers were Saudi. So, I ask again, WHY the sudden ban on these countries? What benefit will it provide? Why do you feel this was a good decision by Trump?

It isn't sudden. It's been in place for 4 of those since last year... It's been law for 2 years..

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2016/01/21/...waiver-program

Again, why weren't you mad then?

Because Obama is Black/white? He can't be racist? Why? I'm confused.

The Obama policy was well thought out and implemented already. That is how you keep a country safe: with vetting and quiet investigation out of the public spotlight.

WHY do you feel Trump's move to make an outright BAN on travel for citizens of those countries was the right decision? You seem to be happy with the policy as it was before. Why did it need to be changed in such a reckless fashion?

So Obama banned Iraqi's in 2011 for 6 months "in order to review its vetting process" but that's ok. Trump ordering a ban on the list of nations Obama's white house created "in order to review its vetting process" for 3 months is not ok.. Trump is reckless when he did it but Obama was not.

I think I get it now. Trump is white, not ok.. Obama is black,, is ok..

An immediate ban of travel for seven countries, announced as a complete surprise that not even the Homeland Security or other staff at the ports of entry knew how to handle seems as a good decision to you?

Here is a rebuttal to the comparison between the Obama policy and the Trump executive Order: Sorry, Mr. President: The Obama Administration Did Nothing Similar to Your Immigration Ban | Foreign Policy

1. Much narrower focus: The Obama administration conducted a review in 2011 of the vetting procedures applied to citizens of a single country (Iraq) and then only to refugees and applicants for Special Immigrant Visas (SIVs), created by Congress to help Iraqis (and later Afghans) who supported the United States in those conflicts. The Trump executive order, on the other hand, applies to seven countries with total population more than 130 million, and to virtually every category of immigrant other than diplomats, including tourists and business travelers.

2. Not a ban: Contrary to Trump?s Sunday statement and the repeated claims of his defenders, the Obama administration did not ?ban visas for refugees from Iraq for six months.? For one thing, refugees don?t travel on visas. More importantly, while the flow of Iraqi refugees slowed significantly during the Obama administration?s review, refugees continued to be admitted to the United States during that time, and there was not a single month in which no Iraqis arrived here. In other words, while there were delays in processing, there was no outright ban.

3. Grounded in specific threat: The Obama administration?s 2011 review came in response to specific threat information, including the arrest in Kentucky of two Iraqi refugees, still the only terrorism-related arrests out of about 130,000 Iraqi refugees and SIV holders admitted to the United States. Thus far, the Trump administration has provided no evidence, nor even asserted, that any specific information or intelligence has led to its draconian order.

4. Orderly, organized process: The Obama administration?s review was conducted over roughly a dozen deputies and principals committee meetings, involving Cabinet and deputy Cabinet-level officials from all of the relevant departments and agencies ? including the State, Homeland Security and Justice Departments ? and the intelligence community. The Trump executive order was reportedly drafted by White House political officials and then presented to the implementing agencies a fait accompli. This is not just bad policymaking practice, it led directly to the confusion, bordering on chaos, that has attended implementation of the order by agencies that could only start asking questions (such as: ?does this apply to green card holders??) once the train had left the station.

5. Far stronger vetting today: Much has been made of Trump?s call for ?extreme vetting? for citizens of certain countries. The entire purpose of the Obama administration?s 2011 review was to enhance the already stringent vetting to which refugees and SIV applicants were subjected. While many of the details are classified, those rigorous procedures, which lead to waiting times of 18-24 months for many Iraqi and Syrian refugees, remain in place today and are continually reviewed by interagency officials. The Trump administration is, therefore, taking on a problem that has already been (and is continually being) addressed.

*Bonus: Obama?s ?seven countries? taken out of context: Trump?s claim that the seven countries listed in the executive order came from the Obama administration is conveniently left unexplained. A bit of background: soon after the December 2015 terror attack in San Bernadino, President Obama signed an amendment to the Visa Waiver Program, a law that allows citizens of 38 countries to travel to the United States without obtaining visas (and gives Americans reciprocal privileges in those countries). The amendment removed from the Visa Waiver Program dual nationals who were citizens of four countries (Iraq, Iran, Sudan, and Syria), or anyone who had recently traveled to those countries. The Obama administration added three more to the list (Libya, Somalia, and Yemen), bringing the total to seven. But this law did not bar anyone from coming to the United States. It only required a relatively small percentage of people to obtain a visa first. And to avoid punishing people who clearly had good reasons to travel to the relevant countries, the Obama administration used a waiver provided by Congress for certain travelers, including journalists, aid workers, and officials from international organizations like the United Nations.

The only surprise is that Trump did what he said he was going to do.. He's been talking about it his entire campaign..

No threat? Chew on this one.. As of Jan 20th 2017 we are no longer in the "supporting 'moderate' rebels" business. Do you know what the reason behind Osama's anger with the US was? Because we quit supporting his cause, his terrorists, the majuhideen...>> Al Qaeda >> ISIS

How about we call it leak prevention? Perhaps Trump doesn't want a 9/11 on his watch?

No, the surprise was that Trump enacted such a drastic measure without the advice of advisors who have the legal and diplomatic experience to shape it into something actually useful.

How do any of the changes so far affect how much moderate rebels are being supported? I must have missed that part of the news cycle.

No president wants a 9/11 on their watch. That's a ridiculous statement. Everyone loves puppies and babies, everyone thinks of the children.

Do you really think Trump came up with this executive order all by his lonesome?

Not everyone thinks of the children.. Some send them in as suicide bombers

Jihadi dad who turned daughter into suicide bomber is dead | Daily Mail Online

I'll pass on Jihadi dad slipping through the cracks.

The "Jihadi dad" was a rebel in Syria, acting against the Syrian government. It was a terrible act, of course, and nobody would want that kind of terrorism in their own country. But he had no beef with the US, only his own government.

I think we can safely assume he would not have been allowed to travel to the States for any reason, had he even attempted to do so. He was apparently killed by his own terrorist group. Perhaps his actions were too extreme even for them?

Man Who Sent His Kids On Suicide Bomb Mission Killed
"Al-Suri's background appears deeply entrenched in terrorist groups and activities.

In addition to working with al-Qaeda, al-Suri reportedly worked with the Islamic State group, also known as ISIS.

Only two years ago in 2014, al-Suri's brother and his wife had also blown themselves up in a suicide bombing mission."

So you are giving credit for Trump's order to someone else? Who are you thinking of and what is your source?

Till people wake up. In Holland there was a mayor who forbid a islamic hate speecher to give a speech in a mosque. Now two years later the court said the mayor shouldn't have done it, and it was illegal to ban the radical islamic hate preacher....

In Europe there are many ecomomic refugees, no chance to stay in Europe. But they won't leave, cause they don't want, or their country don't want them back. Now the EU is giving money to those African countries to take them back...

This goes on for 2 - 4 years, no solution. In fact, it is even harder to ban hate preachers.
Trumps solution:

Trump-O-Meter:
Cancel visas to foreign countries that won't take undocumented immigrants back
"Cancel visas to foreign countries that won’t take them back."
In progress

Trump-O-Meter: Cancel visas to foreign countries that won't take undocumented immigrants back | PolitiFact

And he needed only 9 days, what politicians in Europe talk about for years.

Trumps succes is the failure of current politicans.

NEWSFLASH: US supported the Majuhideen until we didn't. US supported Al Qaeda until we didn't.. US supported ISIS until we didn't.. In turn we supported Jihadi dad in his effort to overthrow his government..

Trump isn't sitting around typing up orders all day. You can bet that. It likely goes something like this.. "We need to halt all travel from these countries until it can be reviewed. Can someone get to working on this order?"

No need to be insulting. Most people are familiar with the US' dabbles in overthrowing foreign governments by funding local militias.

How have Trump's moves so far "stopped funding rebels as of Jan 20, 2017?"

Trump orders Pentagon to draft ISIS strategy, restructuring of security council

President Trump signed three executive actions on Saturday afternoon, including one directing the Pentagon to draft a plan to destroy the Islamic State

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.0f519ab8ec2d

You can pretty much guarantee Trump will not be funding ISIS like Obama was. Or Bush and Clinton was Al Qaeda. Wonder why All 3 of them don't like Trump? Because he's not in their click, not in their grand scheme... In fact he wants to destroy everything they've done. Actually try and fix the complete fucking mess they've made.

So you have nothing solid that he's actually done so far that is removing funding from rebels.

And destroying everything his predecessors have done is not constructive at all. There are lot of nice babies in that bath water.

Wow, thanks for concentrating on 1 thing he has not done yet while he is in office for not even a full 2 weeks. :1orglaugh

And if your predecessors are corrupt establishment war mongers, i cannot think of anything more constructive than destroying everything they've done. Down to the smallest last fucking detail :thumbsup

You just called Obama a war monger with a straight face in front of everything Trump has done so far? If you cannot find one good policy from Obama or even Bush Jr, then you are deliberately being obtuse.

Trump´s white, an American with both British & German blood.

exactly, when speaking to Trumpets, they only use Obama as a smoke screen as Trump did with Hillary & the election.

Truth is, they went on about Hillarys private email servers & yet all of Trumps guys are using private emails & private social media accounts.

The US is in shit & Trump is creating the security threat :helpme :Oh crap

The ONLY policy change from Bush to Obama was instead of feet on the ground, bombs from the sky. Obama bombed the fuck out of those actual babies in the bath water. And not just the 2 countries Bush started with.

70% Spike in Civilian Deaths by US-Led Coalition in Syria, Iraq | News | teleSUR English

You misunderstood. My babies in the bathwater referred to ALL of Obama's and Bush's policies, which you said Trump will "destroy." There must be at least something that Trump is keeping. This isn't Opposite Land where we just get to say or do the opposite of each other. There is a ton of value in keeping some of the policies from previous presidents.

That's how he responds when confronted with the irrefutable truth.


He says it a lot.

yes qantanmo

greetings

thommy