i hear robots like shopping :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

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No need for cashiers either.

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dude I don't think you get it...you see when robots replace workers, those workers were amazon go customers...who is amazon go going to sell to now? shopping robots? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

in the USA around 50% of humans are high skilled, the other 50% are not...when the low skilled get replaced by robots, even if civil war does not break out or communism does not get voted in, the other 50% high skilled will have to somehow support the low skilled unemployed ones...

you seem to be heavily betting on low skilled workers just dying in peace without any trouble at all, all over the world...but it does not work that way and every low skilled worker you put out of work creates pressure on the others...

the sahara dessert was once a lush jungle...then 1% of plants died out...then the temperature rose because there was 1% less shade form the sun now...then more plants died out...then the temp rose even more and so on...soon there was nothing...this is exactly how it works in economy too...

you can not shrink your market and not feel the effects...

I don't think you get it.... Thommy said they need more people in Germany to work cause the older people go on retirement. And now you say it yourself, why must we get more low skilled immigrants... don't need more people, there are enough and else we can automate the production. And like i said, i don't mind less economic growth if it is better for environment, culture clashes etcetra.

That shit doesn't count dumb fuck. 99% of you immigrants come from former soviet republics. No other idiot would trade one shithole country for equally shitty one. Give those africans option to move to the US or Russia, we all know where 100% of them will go. So fucking keep the few you have. :thumbsup

What was that about being delusional and knowing the truths?
Still shell shocked, Slobo? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
Robots.

and from what do people live when they get replaced by machines?

Ofcourse machines wouldn't take all jobs away. But why have more low skilled migrants in the country than? Our own low skilled workers need a job too. Or give we everyone including migrants a basic income? And is it worth the culture clash that is happening that divide the people?

So, we don't need the immigrants to solve the problem that there are less people who must work for the elderly. Just make sure the production per employee rise more. And else put a factory in Mexico :)

ahaaaaaaaaa.... so they do NOT contribute to the western economy ?????

about WHAT are we discussing then ????

on WHAT exactly should be the import tax planned by donald dump if they do not contribute to the western economy ?????

paul sorry, that is COMPLETELY BULLSHIT what you are talking and shows me only that you do not have the smallest clue.

shall i paint you the money circle that you are going to understand that?

present situation is:

US companies are producing and EXPORTING technology what is sold to countries with cheap labour.

They are using the cheap labour to produce a product FAR cheaper as it could be produced in USA and sell it back to US.

BECAUSE they are OFFSHORE the need contributers in US, wholesellers, delievery services,
warehouses for the stock and the result is that the workers what are producing the machines have more properity because they buy a product much cheaper.

NOW WE COME TO YOUR VISION:

step 1: the products will be produced in USA but for a much higher price.

step 2: all the jobs what are based on import will vbe gone because there is no import. these people have to look for another jon in the country and will directly compete with all other working habitants.

step 3: a higher price will lead to less demand on this product - less production means less workers - less workers means less income - less income= less demand - less demand= less production........

step 4: US companies will export less technology because if this countries can´t export there is no reason to produce. less jobs in this industry what can´t be balanced by the industry meantiones in step 2 because they are on the way down....

step 5: to give evenybody work in such a horrible economy situation the costs of labour have to go down = less income = less demand - less production

step 6: a country full of poor people can´t survive because the people are too poor to buy the stuff what they are producing.....

step 7 and endpoint: america will decrease to a cheap harbour land and will be used from china and mexico for doing works what their own people will not do for this money.

THIS PAUL, is what you are preaching here !

question: have you been sick when you learned in school the basics of mathematics and economy?

WHO shall buy the stuff when 50% are unemployed and WITH WHAT do they buy it?

and WHY the high skilled worker should produce something with their machines if there are no buyers for this products?

if you take ALL immigrants out of usa (and we talk about immigrants and not refugees what are not planned to stay in a country) in usa the light would go out immediately.
and NOT ONLY because there are MASSES of high skilled engineers missed in the country. also because some of the high-skilled NON-immigrant engineers would not find a taxi or could fill up their car because the truck driver who should bring the gasoline is gone.

and even if the high-skilled NON-immigrant engineer would find the way to his job he would not be able to enter because you deported the porter, the toilettes would be dirty and the guy who is needed from the high-skilled NON-immigrant engineer to hold the lamp and the cable is also deported.

what a fuck are you talking??? in what kind of world do you live ?

The whole Eurasia is a former "Soviet republic". This thread is about the Muslim immigrants and it has no relation your 3rd-world shithole country. It's about Europe, dumb fuck. Nobody cares what you - redneck do with your drunk sisters in the trailer and we don't care how many Russian prostitutes have pissed into a mount of your president on that video. It's about the Muslim immigrants in EUROPE. Read the title already, clown.

Not to divert the discussion back to the original post....but this is about the most sloppy polling I've seen in a long time
"nationally representative samples of the population aged 18 or over in Austria, Belgium, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Italy, Poland, Spain and the UK. Fieldwork was carried out online using quota sampling (age, gender and region) between 12 December 2016 and 11 January 2017. The total number of respondents was 10,195 (c. 1,000 per country).​

So they got 1000 people per country (really representative) and asked them to fill out a survey online and the survey was done before the Executive order was issued by Trump.....

And you guys can explode with fake discussions that are built on your own feelings - not facts

What losers :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I think you realy don't know anything and don't know how to read.

You mix two topics. First i get rid of your one vision view that there need to be more immigrants cause the German population will shrink. There are other solutions for that, like more productivity by using machines.

What you are saying, we mustn't use more machines cause than nobody will work anymore an not be able to buy products.... So you want to stop people making better, smarter machines to just keep everyone going to their job from 9 - 5 for a small income...

And than i look what exactly what the people that support immigration say about the future. Give people a basic income, cause there is no job fo everyine in the future is what the immigration supporters want.

And now you start talking about putting all the immigrants out of the USA. There is no hitler who can do that. You can only stop more people coming in, that is what this is about.

I am so stupid that Stephen Hawking says the same tommyboy

"The concerns underlying these votes about the economic consequences of globalisation and accelerating technological change are absolutely understandable. The automation of factories has already decimated jobs in traditional manufacturing, and the rise of artificial intelligence is likely to extend this job destruction deep into the middle classes, with only the most caring, creative or supervisory roles remaining."

"This in turn will accelerate the already widening economic inequality around the world. The internet and the platforms that it makes possible allow very small groups of individuals to make enormous profits while employing very few people. This is inevitable, it is progress, but it is also socially destructive."

"With not only jobs but entire industries disappearing, we must help people to retrain for a new world and support them financially while they do so. If communities and economies cannot cope with current levels of migration, we must do more to encourage global development, as that is the only way that the migratory millions will be persuaded to seek their future at home."

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...net-inequality

actually the violence have very little to do with it i think, i can understand what europeans feel somehow although they sometimes göne too far, mostly the migrants WHO moved to Europe seems to be less educated ones and unfortunately Eu countries failed intagrating them as well.

however many things to blame still existing to some of these stupid assholes, they don't put also enough efforts to be a part of society at the places where they be.

for example many Turkian migrants are in Germany and the countries around, some are really intagrated and doing fine there, but yet some of these meat brains even way backward than what we are in Turkiye, they kinda like they stuck the 30-40 years ago WHO they were.

aditionally Westerners need to understand that muslims are not fabricated, there are westernized ones, conservative ones and hardcore ones, like in any group, though muslims need to evolve more.

so what i mean is we can't simply ajitate and ignore the facts, but this is valid for two sides for boath muslim migrants and West.

i think the one who can´t read and understand (including your statements from steven hawking) is YOU

WTF are you talking about ? you want to replace POPULATION with machines ???
are you sick or waht is wrong in your head?

as long as there ARE no such machines who are replacing handwork your plan will not work.
second:
for BUY something you need someone who have an income. and PROSPERITY does not mean having a high income but can´t buy anything with it because the products are too expensive.

the automobile industry is on that way - they are cutting more jobs every year.
WHO IS GOING TO PAY THEM ??????

the government? ohhhh good idea FROM WHAT ? from the double or triple tax from the
poor intelligent guys WHO STILL HAVE WORK ???
or will you pay them ?

what fucking dream you are dreaming!
there is ENOUGH work for everyone on this already half fucked planet. but instead putting money into repair the world the money goes in weapons what are destoying the world.

there is already one who is worse and more stupid than hitler. because the jews he kicked out have been rich and he have stolen all their money.
what you want to kick out are the cheap labours who make your life cheaper and better.
so you kick out the one and only value this people can have for a country.

the difference between you and steven hawking is that big as the difference between a library and an empty piece of paper.

If you would understand 1% in what you have copied and pasted here, you would know that he sais EXACTLY the opposite of you.

yes read that - again and again and again til you UNDERSTAND what he is talking about you underminded street clown.

you are right in many of your points and i really would like to discuss that further and on a cultivated level with you. but before we go any deeper into that "the europeans suffer-story" I want to tell you that a horrible big part of the news are fake or are PROVOCATED by asshole nazis who are doing all to let the bad news sprad around EVEN WHEN THEY ARE NOT TRUE.

the newest story (and this is not the only one there are THOUSANDS of fake news are spreading over the planet) is that there have been hundrets of crimes reported where imigrants where blamed for.
now they found out that there where massive big and organized groups who reported crimes what did not happen.


READ HERE

i would not wonder if rattlesnakes like trump or le pen wehre behind that just to produce horror stories what helps them bringing fear to their countries and get voted from the brainwashed.

i do not say that there is NO problem with the refugees and with the immigration politics but in US this topic is growing to a brother war.
they meanwhile hate each other more as they hate refugees. that is what i call BRAINWASHED!

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Whatever you say, Tommy :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

You realy can't read and understand it, i am sorry for you.

Keep playing your old record and if pro-immigration and economic refugee supporters:

Still don't know where the immigrants are needed for..

who farted in your brain?

first of all in this part what you copy and copy again (without even read or understand it)
i explained what merkel´s idea behind that was NOT MINE you fuckhead.

then you explain me your world without workers and just machines and don´t tell me from what this non-workers make money.

i will tell you something what your kiddybrain will maybe never understand but maybe you will find someone intelligent and pacient in your near who can explain that to you.

WHAT kind of business man will open a factorey where he produce goods with robots and that he is ABLE to sell this products to the notworking people he have to give them the money to do that first. WHO will be that idiot?
I tell you who that COULD be - the state !!!!

and now think about your fucking stupid words you knight of the free markets - because THAT IS CALLED COMMUNISM you fucking idiot !!!!!

No dumb fuck, this is about European countries listed in OP post. Yes, the civilized Europe, where Syrian and other refugee desperately want to get to, so they can get their welfare checks. Your fucked up country can't pay your own elderly and encourage them to "get well in good spirits".. Your part of "Europe" is a same shit hole those "refugees" come from. Why would they go from one shit hole to equally shitty one, eh? I bet one of those prostitutes our 70 year old prez fucked was one of your sisters, Boris!!! Did he pull dirty Sanchez on her and now Vlad is blackmailing him with pictures? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

The civilized Europe does not accept them at all, you stupid American ass clown.

- My world?, is is what Stephen Hawking says. Less jobs, cause of new industries.
- Basic Income, that is not my idea, that are the left wing parties in Europe who want that (and also want more immigrants and refugees)
- Why won't i open a factory complete automated. When i am the first.. It is like giving away free porn or mainstream movies and music. Shit, that is already happening... youtube, pornhub,.. So who is so stupid to think that that won't happen in other industries when the production cost are low. Amazon is replacing the mailman. Cashiers are replaced, people that washes cars by hand are replaced, lawyers will be replaced for an important part and so on. I never heard a dildo factory saying "we stop involving our machines cause else who must fire people and than they can't buy our dildo anymore". Never heard that when they shut down car factories also. Those industries wheren't afraid people couldn't buy a car anymore.

You are realy narrow minded. Insulting to get your point. But it is not working.

From the extremely high taxes the few in work have to pay. Or the people will rebel.

You must be posting from the 1970 whan the Third world was only making low tech or non-tech goods.

Now they're making high tech and sellimng it to the US. And show no signs of stopping thier drice towards getting more High Tech.

Which were all required when goods were made in the West.

NOW WE COME TO YOUR VISION:

Not when companies move to automation. The price will be higher but the extrat taxes from the companies based in the West, the jobs based in the West and the lowering of unemployment and needs for State benefits will repay the highter costs.

Why do you assume there will be no import?

People will have to consume less. Less production in China does mean less workers - less workers means less income - less income= less demand - less demand= less production........ IN CHINA. But more in America than losing the manufgaturing/production base.

Is that less than they would lose competing with Third World countries?

But to share that production base with the Third World means the Fist is getting even poorer.

Agreed. Consumption in the West is falling because so many are losing their jobs.

At the present rate it will be India not Mexico that becomes the #2 economy in the World. Taking jobs from Americans.

You seem to think I'm preaching the West cuts off imports. There will be trading between Western countries and trade with the Third World. The only way to ensure the wealth is shared is that the trade is balanced. At the moment most First Wolrd Countries have a growing trade deficit with the Third world that is losing jobs and wealth from all but a minority of Westerners.

Unless your income relies a lot on Third World Sales, this is going to make you poorer.

WHO shall buy the stuff when 50% are unemployed and WITH WHAT do they buy it?

When their employer moved their jobs to the Third world.

you really needd to think before you type.

well we have that already - not because of unemployed but for too many old people who have to be paid by the young.

in average in germany a single with no kids who get paid 2000 euro per month in his hand is a cost factor of 7500 euro per month. so more the 75% goes into tax, social security and other OBLIGATE costs.

why do you think merkel wants fresh young people in the country?
because if that will not be stopped in about 15 years the net to gross ratio is 10:90
because of less workers and more older people with pension.

i don´t knwo where the point is reached when just a few people are working to pay for the ones who are not. but i can see this problem already in Germany and what you want is even worse.

what you want is SLAVERY and in fact immigration is nothing else than that but it does not make the own people to slaves as your concept does.

paul you do not undestand.
i have studied economy and have a degree you did not.

i painted you the consequences and you still do not understand the fact that this offshore workers are doing jobs what americans do not want to do.

so americans should do what they CAN and make the money with qualified work because this qualified and high tech work is NEEDED from the countries what are doing the shitwork.

you do not have the smallest clue of world economy and you preach things what are either communist ideology or unlogic and not practicable.

to understand that you need to have a far wider thinking range - you can not think just one step. maybe you should learn to play chess and than you possibly learn something about strategy and how one move have millions of consequences.

your are imprisoned in a small room without window and door and you want to tell me how the whole building is constructed just by knowing how 4 empty walls look like.

the problem is, when undereducated people have the right to vote for something that they do not understand - it can´t result in something good.

the biggest problem is, that a lot of people are smart enough to know thatthey don´t know and do not go to elections for that reason. but the stupids do not know that they don´t know and they go. trump is the good visible example for such a vote or how a german magazine called it these days "trump is the prove for the increasing stupidy of the americans".

Sorry Paul - what exactly are you claiming here ?

Are you saying I am a migrant ?

Or living on benefits ?

Or both ?

FYI I live and work within 25 miles of where I was born so I am pretty sure I am not a migrant.

With regards to living on benefits, why dont we post screenshots of our bank statements ?

Because Paul I live and work where I was born. I run a successful business and I am financially comfortable. You are a failed pornographer living in Eastern Europe on your state pension.

So what about it Paul ?

oh shit that is fucked up if true...

I'm saying you can only migrate to EU countries. I migrated to a country that wasn't in the EU then.

Are you saying you're not on benefits, I heard otherwise.

If I post my bank statement, will you accept it or scream Photoshop? I assume you will post yours also.

Why do you think I'm a failed pornographer?

This is called Socialism.

And are the Fresh young people educated, have a future, don't be a part of cultural clashes? Cause what i read Turkey is keeping the high potentials and sents the rest further. And if yes, if tou think Europe needs more muslim immigrants, is it worth it. And why can't we just make a higher productivity so fewer people that are working can produce more instead of getting more people in? Must be profitable to use smarter machines if people cost that much. If you look at statistics, it is better not to let unenducated people with a complete different culture in. Cost more than you profit from it.

And guess what! In 15 years most of the old people are dead! It is the baby boom generation. Just take some less economic growth a few years and that will sove itself. And that rich generation will leave some money behind, paid off houses, so no need to feel sorry for the people that have some less economic growth that 15 years.

There are millions africans coming to Europe people expect. How to solve the problem in Africa. Take more people in?

It would be far better if the dam was privatised and all the costs of running it properly were passed onto the consumer. Of course, that would mean a rise in costs for the consumer to pay. </sarcasm>

It's called democracy. Politicians are loath to put up taxes to pay the costs of running a modern country, for fear voters won't vote for them. A similar situation cost the lives of people when Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans.

You can only migrate to EU countries ? What on earth are you babbling about ?

So you heard I am on benefits ? Now you are just being a silly old man. You have no idea who I am Paul. Do you.

Of course I will post my bank statements.

I know you are a failed pornographer for the following reasons ; a) I have seen your work. b) you live in a small house in eastern Europe and you live off your state pension and the money that your wife earns.

So Paul, what about it.

The thinking of a man stuck in a small box.

Can you guaranty Germany won't Automate or Export jobs in the future? That the jobs market will stay as it is?

Can you guaranty that the migrants coming into Germany will earn the same level as Germans?

You keep thinking it's the number of people in work that determines the level of taxes collected. It's not it's the size of the salaries that determines tax revenues.

https://www.theguardian.com/business...yment-rate-tuc

Can't find one for Germany, maybe you can show Germany isn't doing the same.

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As for the old. Who will look after the old migrants that don't go home when they retire?

According to Karl Marx, Democracy is a form of Communism, when the commune (majority) decides everything ;)

well as i said on my previous post, i agree with what you've said as well and true that politicians use and demonise imigration problems, however muslim societies in the process of seperation of differant camps or maybe we can call it a slow evoluation procedure as well.

i should have tell you that we need to put reality front as a mirror to go twoards right path, chritisizing problems does not mean ignoring the demonistion caused by WHO ever prophits out of it or reverse what i've said :2 cents:

Which never happens under communism or present day democracy.

politicians steal from our pocket to pay their voters, because they always want to look like savers and in fact there should be no democracy aside from building roads/bridges etc, as long as we didn't fix all in accordence with constitution, govs will steal from productive and give it to the parasites.

Look at Sweden - one of the most Socialistic countries today. The rich people pay up to 90% taxes and the money goes to the poor ones. This is a society that Lenin wanted to build in Russia 100 years ago.