Originally Posted by thommy (Post 21548503)

correct - but this is what the trump voters seems to want because it is the logic conesequence when you replace the low educated workers with machines.
the hig educated have to work and pay for the low educated. what will cause, that the high educated are leaving the country.

b) like you said - generations are getting older due to improving living conditions, and (white) people are too lazy to have kids if they can have comfortable life alone. Also - what is funniest thing is that the only people that love to breed like rabbits are usually those that are not educated

also correct - but they will breed in their countries too (or even more) and in 20 or 30
years they represent 95% of the world population. we can´tz do anything againt that because kids are their "social security". we can only try to teach them a better way but that will not work from one day to the next.

c) with such high labour costs it is totally insane to think about even employing people - from business point of view. yet - you (germany) have one of the smallest unemployment rates, so....strange, unless every worker works on short term contract without pensions funds

that would kill the social security system - so an answer on that is not so easy and sure can´t be resolved by the usual beer bar conversations.



well that depend if we speak on a long term or a short term solution.
in 30 or 40 years we have to deal with them anyway - because the planet is fucked already and people like trump will fuck it more.
the countries around the equator are suffering but they are not the guilty ones for that circumstance. the industry nations have done that.



well the german "generation pact have another backgrund. it was after the second war when it was founded. there was no safed money or benefit from earlier paid safeguarding. all was gone. people had to start from zero and the older people had to live from something. so the basic idea was that the working generation pays for the nonworking generation. what was a quite smart idea because it would relative the pensions always with the actual income. but what they did not calculate in that time was, that the baby boom will have an end one day and that people will live that much longer as they do today.

and you really can´t blame them for that because they were making their decisions on the knowledge they had in that time.

Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 21548548)

Why any normal person would want more refugees or immigrants in beyond my comprehension...fucking brainwashed sheep

Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 21548581)

yeah who the fuck wants cheap labor? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

does not make any sense?!?!? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 21548590)

Brainwashed

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21548512)

You must be begging on the street to pay that little.

Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 21548644)

it completely goes against any logic :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

economy 101: produce expensive and be uncompetitive :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21548512)

You must be begging on the street to pay that little.

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 21548239)

1.7 million Russians visit only Spain every year and they spend more than Germans or Brits

Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 21548689)

This is a standard fixed tax rate for a small business in Russia. There are only two tax scales here: 6% and 13%. If you pay 13%, you can deduct your expenses from it. If you choose to pay 6% like me, you pay it from the total income, which is non deductible.)

Originally Posted by klinton (Post 21548773)

two errors in thinking that you omitted...like always for your own purpose... very comfortable way to do, I know, I know :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:
a) they spend more because they have to pay more for flight. flight costs more from Russia than Germany

Originally Posted by klinton (Post 21548773)

b) the articles says about data from 2011... back then: 28.197 rublos, esto es unos 705 euros. now...28 k rubles now: 450 euros, or maybe other way: 700 euros = 45 k rubles it means that= less Russians go these days

Originally Posted by klinton (Post 21548788)

sounds like a tax paradise....how much you have to pay for social security/ health/ pension every month if you have your own company ?

Originally Posted by klinton (Post 21548788)

do you have to do it at all,if yes, does it change with the more you earn you pay more or it is fixed?

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 21548545)

I can´t see jobs in Geramy who are done by foreigners what a german would do.

Infact Germany have a unemployment rate of 8,5% (what is the DOUBLE rate as is US)
these are like 2,5 million.

on the other hand there are 1,3 million open jobs - split by 70% in high tech and 30% low paid jobs.

not at all - because a few years ago they opend the market for cheap workers from poland in the building industry (what had suffered a lot) afetr that decsion the construcion market went up 15% (because the houses whare cheaper) and WITH IT AHEAD went all the perfer industries went up too.

so the real result is that 50.000 foreign workers caused 20.000 ADDITIONAL JOBS in Germany FOR GERMANS !!!
Not ONE Job of a German has gone - there where 20.000 NEW

how can you explain that inside of your theory?



you still do the mistake that you think only one step. you do not think the second. MORE people in a country automaticly brings more internal demand. because this people want to eat, drink, rent a house, drive a car.

and i know EXACTLY with what argument you come up now BUT THEY SEND MONEY HOME
and YES they do that but this money wil be spend in their countries. they will pay tax and make companies producing MORE and this companies will buy the high tech from Germany to do that.

for this reason Germany have a HUGE export plus what let the country PAY BACK depts
since 10 years. Germany´s dept is NOT increasing as US dept does - the dept of USA is increasing 13.000 Dollar PER SECOND !!!



i do NOT think in taxes - i was NEVER thinking in taxes because taxes are IRRELEVANT when money is not spend. the more important part of prosperity is to let the money run FAST from one hand to the other. and in a global market it can run MUCH faster as in a closed market. but US citizens will learn that lesson soon.

Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 21548689)

This is a standard fixed tax rate for a small business in Russia. There are only two tax scales here: 6% and 13%. If you pay 13%, you can deduct your expenses from it. If you choose to pay 6% like me, you pay it from the total income, which is non deductible.

That's because we live in different societies. You are a typical commie, while I live in a capitalist country, comrade ;)

Originally Posted by NewNick (Post 21548722)

Ah Mr Migrant, pontificating from the luxury of your Eastern European retreat again ?

Or talking shit and throwing your turds at passers by again ?

Paul, you live in a cheap little house in the low cost country that you migrated to when you could not cut it in the UK anymore. Your wife brings in the money while you sit on the internet all day telling people how fabulous you are, telling people how they should run their businesses, and telling people that they are beggars or on benefits.

Why dont you shut the fuck up Paul. You failed.

:thumbsup

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21549043)

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 21544594)

who farted in your brain?

first of all in this part what you copy and copy again (without even read or understand it)
i explained what merkel´s idea behind that was NOT MINE you fuckhead.

then you explain me your world without workers and just machines and don´t tell me from what this non-workers make money.

i will tell you something what your kiddybrain will maybe never understand but maybe you will find someone intelligent and pacient in your near who can explain that to you.

WHAT kind of business man will open a factorey where he produce goods with robots and that he is ABLE to sell this products to the notworking people he have to give them the money to do that first. WHO will be that idiot?
I tell you who that COULD be - the state !!!!

and now think about your fucking stupid words you knight of the free markets - because THAT IS CALLED COMMUNISM you fucking idiot !!!!!

Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 21548884)

I pay only the fixed income tax which is 6% for me - a self employed person or 13% for any physical person who has not registered his business (e.g. from the salary or any other income if you are not self employed). Also formally I pay a pension tax which is 23,400 rubles a year (about $395 USD). It's a fixed amount, not a % of anything. I said "formally" because in fact I don't pay it at all. This money is fully deductible from my tax payouts. So I pay exactly 6% of my income and no single ruble over it. That's for all - including free medicine (we also have a paid one of course), free high education for my son (it's not just free, he even receives some symbolic money from the government for being a student) and everything else. If I would not pay anything at all (e.g. have no job), the government will pay it for me, so the education and medicine will still be free.



As I said above, the income tax is fixed in Russia, and it is 13% for any physical person (doesn't matter if you earn a single ruble of a billion). If you are a self-employed person (have a formally registered business), you can choose a so-called simplified tax, which is only 6% of your income.

P.S. I do pay my taxes in full, because I don't think that 6% will make my life worse. However the tax evasion is a national sport in Russia. It's something you won't tell anybody in Germany or in the USA, but will be proud for here. According to the Russian Criminal Code, a physical person can not get a jail time for tax evasion, is he agrees to pay the unpaid tax he was caught with :)

P.P.S. When I was registering my oversea income in the tax inspection, the inspector said: "Are you an idiot? It's the offshore money and we can't track it. Why do you want to reveal the source if you can easily keep all the money?" :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1 (Post 21557137)

The stupdid people from Mercedes want factories with only machines.
Just saw this.

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 21557785)

sure they do - but as long as the machines what are producing machines can not be produced by machines it is science fiction and leads automaticly to communism.

and where for duck is YOUR ARGUMENT ?
YOU praise to bring jobs back to USA - if you CAN DO that already who holds you back?

what you say in fact is to take the jobs from the foreign countries and give them to robots instead - so where a fuck are the jobs you want to make with it ?

and with what will foreign countries buy the stuff what is produced by machines?

do you know what the real problem of US is?
it is not the import it is the low EXPORT !!!!!

USA have an export deficit of nearly 500 Billion dollars per year and trump makes you think he can fix that with a domestic market. but this is UNLOGIC and against every economic rule. to WHO will you export when you charge penalty taxes from your trading partners?

and if you not export there´s no reason to produce - and if you not produce you do not have jobs - and if you do not have jobs nobody can buy.

how can you believe in such a fairytale what even a 10-year-old kid could understand better.

you are fighting for 50.000 jobs in the coal mining - what is definitely not the future - instead of creating 500.000 new jobs in alternative energy.

but sure trump will not go for that because he is the owner of a lot of oil pipelines and is engaged with fracking companies what are destroying your country.

how can you be so blind and deaf on logic argumentation?

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21549049)

Everyone knows who I am. Who are you?

Show us how successful you are by posting links to your sites.

Originally Posted by Paul&John (Post 21557656)

Damn thats pretty neat to pay only 6% flat rate..

Originally Posted by klinton (Post 21558139)

check new tax laws in Romania...look promising...also UK and few other places in Europe were always good...let me know what ya think later :)

Originally Posted by QuietPhantom (Post 21558253)

I am born in a country where the largest minority are muslims. We have places where they are majority and let me tell you this: if you have a way of not dealing with that shit, enjoy. I don't see a point in letting them in and then working your ass off to preserve your values.

Immigration and cult immigration are two different things. Islam is a cult. Many muslims are liberal but the cult leaders take control over the communities and no body talk back because of fear.

Originally Posted by JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE (Post 21558382)

They will turn the country into the middle east in no time

I can't for the life of me, envision why normal white people would want them in here. It's unreal

Originally Posted by OneHungLo (Post 21538654)

Looks like there are a lot of racists and bigots in Europe :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 21543937)

ahaaaaaaaaa.... so they do NOT contribute to the western economy ?????

about WHAT are we discussing then ????

on WHAT exactly should be the import tax planned by donald dump if they do not contribute to the western economy ?????

paul sorry, that is COMPLETELY BULLSHIT what you are talking and shows me only that you do not have the smallest clue.

shall i paint you the money circle that you are going to understand that?

present situation is:

US companies are producing and EXPORTING technology what is sold to countries with cheap labour.

They are using the cheap labour to produce a product FAR cheaper as it could be produced in USA and sell it back to US.

BECAUSE they are OFFSHORE the need contributers in US, wholesellers, delievery services,
warehouses for the stock and the result is that the workers what are producing the machines have more properity because they buy a product much cheaper.

NOW WE COME TO YOUR VISION:

step 1: the products will be produced in USA but for a much higher price.

step 2: all the jobs what are based on import will vbe gone because there is no import. these people have to look for another jon in the country and will directly compete with all other working habitants.

step 3: a higher price will lead to less demand on this product - less production means less workers - less workers means less income - less income= less demand - less demand= less production........

step 4: US companies will export less technology because if this countries can´t export there is no reason to produce. less jobs in this industry what can´t be balanced by the industry meantiones in step 2 because they are on the way down....

step 5: to give evenybody work in such a horrible economy situation the costs of labour have to go down = less income = less demand - less production

step 6: a country full of poor people can´t survive because the people are too poor to buy the stuff what they are producing.....

step 7 and endpoint: america will decrease to a cheap harbour land and will be used from china and mexico for doing works what their own people will not do for this money.

THIS PAUL, is what you are preaching here !

Originally Posted by NewNick (Post 21558079)

Indeed Paul everyone does know that you are a migrant.

I have no intention of posting my business credentials here - I have posted here using this nic and my previous nic for many years anonymously. I do that because I have no desire to recruit affiliates, and I have nothing to sell here.

Originally Posted by QuietPhantom (Post 21634528)

It is not a 'white' thing. General public is compassionate because it is beyond their understanding that people can mass murder because they have a disagreement on which direction to pray. Then you take them in and they don't like your 5 year old child not wearing burqa.

For most civilized people, it's like sympathizing with gorillas in a cage. If sympathy gets out of control and you actually get inside the cage to feed them bastards, you are at their mercy, not the other way around.

P.S: Few days back a gangster was killed in my place. The dude was ratted out by gang members when he was high on grass. The funny thing? He won't drink alcohol because it's against his beliefs! No, I am not fucking joking.

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 21557785)

sure they do - but as long as the machines what are producing machines can not be produced by machines it is science fiction and leads automaticly to communism.

and where for duck is YOUR ARGUMENT ?
YOU praise to bring jobs back to USA - if you CAN DO that already who holds you back?

what you say in fact is to take the jobs from the foreign countries and give them to robots instead - so where a fuck are the jobs you want to make with it ?

and with what will foreign countries buy the stuff what is produced by machines?

do you know what the real problem of US is?
it is not the import it is the low EXPORT !!!!!

USA have an export deficit of nearly 500 Billion dollars per year and trump makes you think he can fix that with a domestic market. but this is UNLOGIC and against every economic rule. to WHO will you export when you charge penalty taxes from your trading partners?

and if you not export there´s no reason to produce - and if you not produce you do not have jobs - and if you do not have jobs nobody can buy.

how can you believe in such a fairytale what even a 10-year-old kid could understand better.

you are fighting for 50.000 jobs in the coal mining - what is definitely not the future - instead of creating 500.000 new jobs in alternative energy.

but sure trump will not go for that because he is the owner of a lot of oil pipelines and is engaged with fracking companies what are destroying your country.

how can you be so blind and deaf on logic argumentation?

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21635806)

Fact. Muslims kill more Muslims than non-Muslims

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21635833)

I understand your blindness wanting to keep Thailand from suffering because of import controls. But we in the West are suffering. All we need is balanced trade.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21539878)

Most Europeans are worse off financially than they were 10 or 20 years ago. Fewer jobs, Lower Wages, Unemployment and a far worse future if Europe stays on its present course.