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prolly for two reasons:
a) you dont invite anyone, they come if they want and they try to get in..its not free pass b) you dont give them welfare and put them in the refugee camps where there are hundreds of men crowded in one place. they have to work/ do whatever to survive. c) you dont behave like two faced pussies:winkwink::winkwink: Quote:
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but you cant deny real problems on the other hand... I agree that ppl that follow mass media like sheep are idiots. however its really hard to understand the world on your own, for that you need sense of scale how small you/ we are and what should be the real issues. not everyone has that as most ppl = idiots Quote:
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this is not only problem of Germany, but most of Europe (maybe except Scandinavia..- yet).
This is what you get when you bindly follow Bismarck's social security system from XIX century in the XXI century where ppl live 80 years and more. in one european country that I know :winkwink: current pensions are being paid with CURRENT social fees that other working people pay. so what the fuck happened with the money that these pensioners were paying decades before ? Its a pyramide and ponzi scheme, at least there, dont know about Germany. Quote:
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it cant be true, I think that he is mistaken, its more like 4000 euros in TOTAL paid/ spend on taxes.
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then anybody wonders why businessmen seak for cheap laber force, if the so called welfare state goes for that so long and yet poor is still poor, then one of the greatest thing that system succeed is making lazyness a chronical desese. |
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and the funny thing comes up when you ask the same people woho declare such funny ideas here if they are communists. |
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if you are single without children in germany and make like 4500 gross income you get a payout of around 2000. but that is not all because the cost of the labor is MUCH higher because the employer pays 50% of ALL social security costs ON TOP of the 4.400 wich is like 18% so you are already on 5000. now you add holidays (usually not under 25 working days) holiday salary (usually between 50 and 100% of a months salary) Christmas money (again between 50 and 100% of a months salary). and then you are already near to the 7500. BUT if that guy went sick, the employer have to pay the first 6 weeks of his salary from the own pocket and then he would be already far over the 7500 costs for this guy. but the point is that this will increase in the next years. that have also nothing to do with bismarck it was the so called "generation pact" invented by konrad adenauer 1950. this generation pact means nothing else as the actually working people pay pensions for the people who are old and out of work. in 1950 it was in average 7 working people who paid for one pensioner - in 2017 this costs have to be shared from only 1,9 workers. and demographic analizes say that this number will go down to 1,5 in the next 15 years. reasons: a. people becoming much older now as in 1950 and get longer pension. b. more people die as been born result: a decreasing number of workers have to pay for an increasing number of pensioners Idea to reverse this circumstance from angela merkel: bringing new, young migrants to the country what would have this 2 effects: a. more working people who can share this burdon b. increase of demands in the domestic market because more people in a country = more demand in this country long term effect = in 2 or 3 gerneration this migrants are highly adapted and even if they go they will export education. |
well it is totally fucked up then for mnay reasons
a) imposing tax on work is like encouraging people to get welfare and be lazy (yes , I know that this money supposedly has to go to pensions, but still...) especially such high taxes b) like you said - generations are getting older due to improving living conditions, and (white) people are too lazy to have kids if they can have comfortable life alone. Also - what is funniest thing is that the only people that love to breed like rabbits are usually those that are not educated c) with such high labour costs it is totally insane to think about even employing people - from business point of view. yet - you (germany) have one of the smallest unemployment rates, so....strange, unless every worker works on short term contract without pensions funds d) as for imigrants - I dont think that inviting people from kind of opposite culture was such good idea, prolly better was to "invite" to country like 80 % of Eastern Europeans, Ukrainians, and so on. not 100 % muslim. I also think that some people will exploit the system and instead of working they will suck on welfare...you will see it for yourself conclusion - the only solution that I see for this is something like small equal state pension to anyone after 60 or 65, just enough to survive and nothing more. otherwise the system will collapse. It was good when people were living 60-70 years old, when the countries were having 5 times less people and there were not so many automatized jobs. And I think that people shuld be smart enough to save money by themselves or invest in good relations (with family ?) for their elderly years and not to believe in system. its the natural selection, sorry..... Quote:
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Are they the people who can't get a job because of their education level, their job went to the Third World, they were replaced by a machine or migrant who costs less? The future will contain a lot of those and without a massive drop in population, the "parasites" will rule. |
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The problem is Tax revenue per capita is around Ģ9,000 and there are millions not earning enough to cross the line between costing and contributing. Those on low wages cost the Government more than they can possibly contribute. This blows the "We need more people" argument out of site. A country like Germany needs a million more low paid workers like it needs a hole in the head. That million will never contribute until they find a job a German can't do, that earns the average wage. Assuming they're single and never have a family. Germany's tax revenue is 40% of GDP and it's ?2.15 trillion in debt. So obviously too many costing too much isn't a good system. |
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If Merkel brings in 1,000,000 people who each earn ?1,000 per month by doing a job that a German can do. The country loses a lot of money. There are certain services everyone needs when they enter a country that cost the rest of the people money to supply. Migrants doing a job a citizen can do costs the country more than it will ever contribute. How many of the migrants are qualified well enough to create extra wealth? Stop thinking Taxes/GDP are reliant on head count and you might get a clue. |
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Я ж говорю, что ты дебил :1orglaugh |
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the hig educated have to work and pay for the low educated. what will cause, that the high educated are leaving the country. b) like you said - generations are getting older due to improving living conditions, and (white) people are too lazy to have kids if they can have comfortable life alone. Also - what is funniest thing is that the only people that love to breed like rabbits are usually those that are not educated also correct - but they will breed in their countries too (or even more) and in 20 or 30 years they represent 95% of the world population. we canītz do anything againt that because kids are their "social security". we can only try to teach them a better way but that will not work from one day to the next. c) with such high labour costs it is totally insane to think about even employing people - from business point of view. yet - you (germany) have one of the smallest unemployment rates, so....strange, unless every worker works on short term contract without pensions funds that would kill the social security system - so an answer on that is not so easy and sure canīt be resolved by the usual beer bar conversations. Quote:
in 30 or 40 years we have to deal with them anyway - because the planet is fucked already and people like trump will fuck it more. the countries around the equator are suffering but they are not the guilty ones for that circumstance. the industry nations have done that. Quote:
and you really canīt blame them for that because they were making their decisions on the knowledge they had in that time. |
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My 66% included every level of tax, not just income tax. |
Thommy and Rochard or anyone else who chants America's employment stats. This is how it works in the real world and crushes your theory on importing people who will contribute.
Missing wage rises give lie to picture of full employment With non-UK nationals representing most of 300,000 rise in number employed, labour supply is helping keep lid on wages Quote:
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Infact Germany have a unemployment rate of 8,5% (what is the DOUBLE rate as is US) these are like 2,5 million. on the other hand there are 1,3 million open jobs - split by 70% in high tech and 30% low paid jobs. [/QUOTE] If Merkel brings in 1,000,000 people who each earn ?1,000 per month by doing a job that a German can do. The country loses a lot of money.[/QUOTE] not at all - because a few years ago they opend the market for cheap workers from poland in the building industry (what had suffered a lot) afetr that decsion the construcion market went up 15% (because the houses whare cheaper) and WITH IT AHEAD went all the perfer industries went up too. so the real result is that 50.000 foreign workers caused 20.000 ADDITIONAL JOBS in Germany FOR GERMANS !!! Not ONE Job of a German has gone - there where 20.000 NEW how can you explain that inside of your theory? Quote:
and i know EXACTLY with what argument you come up now BUT THEY SEND MONEY HOME and YES they do that but this money wil be spend in their countries. they will pay tax and make companies producing MORE and this companies will buy the high tech from Germany to do that. for this reason Germany have a HUGE export plus what let the country PAY BACK depts since 10 years. Germanyīs dept is NOT increasing as US dept does - the dept of USA is increasing 13.000 Dollar PER SECOND !!! Quote:
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Why any normal person would want more refugees or immigrants in beyond my comprehension...fucking brainwashed sheep
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But the parties didn't want to do anything about it, would cost them votes because is costs money! And if they didn't see it coming, how stupid are they, in Holland they are talking about this for 30 years or more. That was also exactly the same excuse when the first immigration wave came. And than there was a crisis and problems to pay everyone wellfare. So the baby boom generation (the golden ages) is the richest generation. And now complaining while they have paid of their houses. And now that golden generation want you to fix the problem they created. And don't forgot to say that Germany has the least working hours in Europe. That also means thet won't pay much tax, it is progressive. They are just lazy and/or very productive. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_time That you need immigration is just made up. So many other solutions. Enough people already in Europe that can do the job. And you don't help other countries taking educated people from their country. They are needed there, to built up their own country. If you want to help, you put a factory and research center in the third world. But i see the plan is to let them be poor and maybe in 3 generations and than they will return to build up their country. lol You know that Holland now cuts the pensions for Dutch that live abroad. If i want my pension in Mexico, i only get 50% They did that cause a lot of the people from Turkey and Marocco went back and live like a king from the pension money. Only the Turkish and Marrocan government where able to block that Dutch it for over 10 years. (while the dutch living in spain, mexico, brazil,... already get 10 years a discount) And why does the Dutch government want o give them less; cause there is too much money flowing away from Holland. So, must you be happy when they go back and take the pensions with them? |
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does not make any sense?!?!? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh |
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economy 101: produce expensive and be uncompetitive :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh |
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That's because we live in different societies. You are a typical commie, while I live in a capitalist country, comrade ;) |
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Or talking shit and throwing your turds at passers by again ? Paul, you live in a cheap little house in the low cost country that you migrated to when you could not cut it in the UK anymore. Your wife brings in the money while you sit on the internet all day telling people how fabulous you are, telling people how they should run their businesses, and telling people that they are beggars or on benefits. Why dont you shut the fuck up Paul. You failed. :thumbsup |
two errors in thinking that you omitted...like always for your own purpose... very comfortable way to do, I know, I know :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:
a) they spend more because they have to pay more for flight. flight costs more from Russia than Germany b) the articles says about data from 2011... back then: 28.197 rublos, esto es unos 705 euros. now...28 k rubles now: 450 euros, or maybe other way: 700 euros = 45 k rubles it means that= less Russians go these days Quote:
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sounds like a tax paradise....how much you have to pay for social security/ health/ pension every month if you have your own company ? do you have to do it at all,if yes, does it change with the more you earn you pay more or it is fixed?
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P.S. Just checked the stats. In 2015 (a worst year for ruble), Spain was visited by 955,976 Russian tourists. |
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P.S. I do pay my taxes in full, because I don't think that 6% will make my life worse. However the tax evasion is a national sport in Russia. It's something you won't tell anybody in Germany or in the USA, but will be proud for here. According to the Russian Criminal Code, a physical person can not get a jail time for tax evasion, is he agrees to pay the unpaid tax he was caught with :) P.P.S. When I was registering my oversea income in the tax inspection, the inspector said: "Are you an idiot? It's the offshore money and we can't track it. Why do you want to reveal the source if you can easily keep all the money?" :1orglaugh |
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as for the article about Spain: it says about total costs of holidays en Malgrat de Mar- en un hotel de tres estrellas, con desayuno y vuelo ida y vuelta cuesta por persona por 28.197 rublos, esto es unos 705 euros. as for taxes in Russia: it is really wonderful. too bad that in EU it is few times more |
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Also an interesting video from Syria. The commander of Russian military police squad says he is Chechen and a Muslim Sunni, his subordinate is a Muslim Shiite. There are Buddhists and Orthodox Christians in the group. HE says: "First we are Russian citizens. Second we are Russian soldiers. And only after that we are everything else."
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